A breakdown of Gustafsson's style?

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What do you feel are the wholes in Gustafsson's game? What areas do you feel Shogun can expose to impose his game plan?
I've seen Gustafsson's fights, but I don't think I recall them well enough to be critical of anything.
 
I've likened his style in the Silva fight to Ray Leonard's style against Marvin Hagler. Quite movement heavy with burtst where he would jump in and flurry (note, this isn't the way that Ray always fought, this was specially tailored for the granite chinned beast that was Marvin Hagler). It involves a lot of movement and requires that you have very fast hands and feet (both of which Gustafsson possesses). It isn't a style that I like all that much. Now, against Shogun, I don't think it is a bad idea when compared with fighting head to head with Shogun as fighting from kicking range or in the pocket isn't necessarily in Alex's best interest (he could try it and have success but it seems like unnecessary risk).

I could also seem him try and push Shogun up against the cage early and try to wear him down a little bit.
 
i think a weakness gustafsson may have is that he'll get careless if he's cruising on the scorecards (like he did vs thiago) then get caught with something.
 
i think a weakness gustafsson may have is that he'll get careless if he's cruising on the scorecards (like he did vs thiago) then get caught with something.

I definitely agree with this. Hell, even his corner told him to NOT be lazy. Also, I agree with JayElectra about Alex's style... at least in his last fight against Thiago Silva (much like Sugar Ray only fighting that way against Hagler; where their style is custom-tailored for their specific opponents). I think the Sugar Ray vs Hagler stylistic comparison is pretty spot on. It's all that I've seen (credit to JayElectra for thinking of it) that is similar and I've seen a lot of "gameplans" and styles in both MMA and boxing.
 
I definitely agree with this. Hell, even his corner told him to NOT be lazy. Also, I agree with JayElectra about Alex's style... at least in his last fight against Thiago Silva (much like Sugar Ray only fighting that way against Hagler; where their style is custom-tailored for their specific opponents). I think the Sugar Ray vs Hagler stylistic comparison is pretty spot on. It's all that I've seen (credit to JayElectra for thinking of it) that is similar and I've seen a lot of "gameplans" and styles in both MMA and boxing.

Ya, I think it is a very important distinction that Ray didn't always fight like that because it applies directly to Gustafsson as well. I've always found it odd that out of the fab 4 of the 80s, Sugar Ray often gets a weird amount of hate. I'm a very big fan of both Duran and Hagler but the lengths that many of the people go to discredit Ray irritates me. His media bullshit persona aside, Ray was a hard man. He could fight like a motherfucker if he had to. Same goes for Gustafsson, I think (hope). I mean, we have a lot less to go on with Alex (we saw Ray even pre Hearns 1 turn into a killer against the likes of Floyd Mayweather Sr. when Floyd gave him problems early and a host of other fight, as Ray basically had to clear out the division before even winning a title). Gustafsson went toe to toe with Diabate who can crack (as seen when he stopped the previosly supposed iron chinned Griggs in his tracks) and he took some clean shots without missing a beat.

A Gustafsson that stands in and uses hand speed (which requires further technical development, of course) would be one hell of a fighter in MMA and could legitimately challenge someone like Jon Jones. If Gustafsson develops as I think he can, that will be one hell of a rivalry (Leonard v. Hearns to make another forced comparison, lol).
 
He is very quick on his feet, he is very in and out. He throws a lot of fakes so Shogun could catch him with a shot he isn't expecting. Gus needs to make sure he is moving for as long as the fight is going because he can't afford to eat a clean shot from Shogun. Gus has great kickboxing, he destroyed Diabete, a very good kickboxer, on the feet.
 
Decent hand speed, decent TDD, decent wrestling offence, decent at maintaining distance.
 
Ya, I think it is a very important distinction that Ray didn't always fight like that because it applies directly to Gustafsson as well. I've always found it odd that out of the fab 4 of the 80s, Sugar Ray often gets a weird amount of hate. I'm a very big fan of both Duran and Hagler but the lengths that many of the people go to discredit Ray irritates me. His media bullshit persona aside, Ray was a hard man. He could fight like a motherfucker if he had to. Same goes for Gustafsson, I think (hope). I mean, we have a lot less to go on with Alex (we saw Ray even pre Hearns 1 turn into a killer against the likes of Floyd Mayweather Sr. when Floyd gave him problems early and a host of other fight, as Ray basically had to clear out the division before even winning a title). Gustafsson went toe to toe with Diabate who can crack (as seen when he stopped the previosly supposed iron chinned Griggs in his tracks) and he took some clean shots without missing a beat.

A Gustafsson that stands in and uses hand speed (which requires further technical development, of course) would be one hell of a fighter in MMA and could legitimately challenge someone like Jon Jones. If Gustafsson develops as I think he can, that will be one hell of a rivalry (Leonard v. Hearns to make another forced comparison, lol).

Agreed with all of this. It's hard to argue with facts and promise of potential when you (we, etc) have a pretty good eye for it to begin with. BTW, screw the Sugar Ray haters, he was a beast and was one hell of a boxer. The problem with Diabate is that, while he's old now, he doesn't get much credit for being a multi-time Muay Thai world champion in MMA because some (even most) people write him off because of his current age (past his prime) or that they've just never even heard of him. These same people would be shocked if they saw his striking accuracy statistics (UFC's anyway). According to these stats (keep in mind Diabate doesn't have as many UFC fights let alone strikes thrown of course) he's a more accurate striker than Anderson, the man himself. It isn't that hard to believe for me considering Diabate is a world-class MT champion and his precision is pinpoint much like Anderson's striking is.

Diabate's UFC Fighter Bio w/ Stats

Anderson's UFC Fighter Bio w/ Stats
 
He's like a lanky, more aggressive but not as elusive version of Machida. He doesn't have the Karate style, but he packpedals, handfights, waves his arms, looks to counterstrike and explode.
 
He's like a lanky, more aggressive but not as elusive version of Machida. He doesn't have the Karate style, but he packpedals, handfights, waves his arms, looks to counterstrike and explode.

This is only seeing one side of Alex. The other side is a very aggressive forward/aggressor striker that literally "mauls" guys like a polar bear on a baby seal (he was given this nickname, earned it, not chose it himself). Alex can handle being both a forward and counter-striker while Machida's specialty is a counter-striker almost exclusively. You also need to take into account that Alex's 10+ year Boxing background is going to typically translate better into the cage than Karate (of any style) will and that with their hands alone Alex is much more varied with his attacks. For instance, Alex has dropped almost every opponent he's ever fought, his KDR (knockdown rate) is very high, and this tells you a lot about his knockout ability (KO Power is just one variable encapsulated in this).

Machida will throw straights (usually straight lefts since he's a southpaw Karateka) and sometimes straight rights (when switching up stances) but beyond that he has no jab, hooks, uppercuts etc because his base is Japanese Shotokan Karate (limited hand strikes apart from chops - ridgecuts & knifehands for instance). Alex, on the other hand, has dropped or T/KO'd opponents in just his short UFC run alone thus far with every basic boxing punch there is with the exception of the overhand (which he doesn't utilize at all). He's knocked down or knocked guys out with jabs, crosses, hooks, and uppercuts (multiple times here). Machida uses his straight punches (think of it as a boxing cross but in Karateka form) and that's about it really. While Alex loves his straight punches too, he'll throw uppercuts routinely in combinations, something Machida doesn't exactly do (one punch at a time counters is about it). Alex is much more versatile when comparing their hand striking techniques and their effectiveness/knockdowns-outs.

Karate hand striking just isn't as broad as Boxing (obviously) and the varied techniques show results in Alex's favor. He has more tools with his hands alone than Machida does with his base style.
 
This is only seeing one side of Alex. The other side is a very aggressive forward/aggressor striker that literally "mauls" guys like a polar bear on a baby seal (he was given this nickname, earned it, not chose it himself). Alex can handle being both a forward and counter-striker while Machida's specialty is a counter-striker almost exclusively. You also need to take into account that Alex's 10+ year Boxing background is going to typically translate better into the cage than Karate (of any style) will and that with their hands alone Alex is much more varied with his attacks. For instance, Alex has dropped almost every opponent he's ever fought, his KDR (knockdown rate) is very high, and this tells you a lot about his knockout ability (KO Power is just one variable encapsulated in this).

Machida will throw straights (usually straight lefts since he's a southpaw Karateka) and sometimes straight rights (when switching up stances) but beyond that he has no jab, hooks, uppercuts etc because his base is Japanese Shotokan Karate (limited hand strikes apart from chops - ridgecuts & knifehands for instance). Alex, on the other hand, has dropped or T/KO'd opponents in just his short UFC run alone thus far with every basic boxing punch there is with the exception of the overhand (which he doesn't utilize at all). He's knocked down or knocked guys out with jabs, crosses, hooks, and uppercuts (multiple times here). Machida uses his straight punches (think of it as a boxing cross but in Karateka form) and that's about it really. While Alex loves his straight punches too, he'll throw uppercuts routinely in combinations, something Machida doesn't exactly do (one punch at a time counters is about it). Alex is much more versatile when comparing their hand striking techniques and their effectiveness/knockdowns-outs.

Karate hand striking just isn't as broad as Boxing (obviously) and the varied techniques show results in Alex's favor. He has more tools with his hands alone than Machida does with his base style.


I read an interview with Gustafsson and he said he has no idea where this rumor comes from but it is not true. He said he has done some boxing but it was after he was already an MMA fighter and he decided to stick with MMA instead. I can't give you a source because I don't exactly remember where I read it but I know I did read it somewhere.
 
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