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A bloody end to a multicultural fairy-tale: Balkan wars

Well, they have won their own nations now. A significantly improved development from about a hundred years ago.

Not surprising that they aren't necessarily first in line to be "incorporated" to another federation. Didn't work so well in the past.

The Ottoman Empire, The Russian Empire, The Austro-Hungarian Empire, Nazi Germany, USSR, Yugoslavia, etc.

How many times does a concept need to fail before people will learn?
The elites who want to control all peoples under a global led government will never stop trying to impose their form of imperialism. They are not going give up their master plan of enacting Civilization 2.0 , a move away from independent nations and towards a radically different human society. They probably feel it is necessary to erase borders to advance human civilization into space.
 
I grew up in Serbia's capital, Belgrade, but my father is from Kosovo. His father was killed by mu muslims there in WW2, my father volunteered during the war in Croatia. So I enrolled in Serbian army in 1998, a year before an open conflict broke up. Fighting in Bosnia and Croatia was nightmare, enemy would often be just a couple of steps from you. In cities, two buildings across the street would exchange fire.

I was in a recon squad in Kosovo. Our tasks were mainly getting the information about enemy forces, so our special teams could go in there and take them out. Since there were around 600 NATO planes everyday above Serbia at the time, our guys could not gather information from air. I was 19 at the time, surreal experience. I would be much more afraid now, since I'm a father, back then I was ok with dying, as long as I'm not taken alive.

Great stuff, and I'm really glad you're on here to talk about this. When you were tasked with recon, was the opfor organized? Small criminal gangs without a political objective? Operational insurgent cells? Regular forces?

I'm assuming the AO when you were deployed had already ghettoized right?
 
Dont get me started. Let alone on NATOs disgusting role destroying serbia and helping create greater Albania via kosovo splitting off and helping set stage for saudi mosque and wahhabi sunni money to flow into the balkans. All to "stick it" to Russia and the orthodox christians.
The west was also big behind getting puppets in what became montenegro to separate from serbia to close off ocean access of serbia.

Waits for revisionist history claims.
 
Good thread.

I picture bad mojo looking like

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Seconded.
 
Serbian revisionist history really has no shame. I guess he got the name butcher of Bosnia because he was handing out steaks and shit.

As opposed to the west's fairy tales, ummm m'kay.

The only truth in the Balkan wars is that criminals were pulling the strings on all sides.
 
Great stuff, and I'm really glad you're on here to talk about this. When you were tasked with recon, was the opfor organized? Small criminal gangs without a political objective? Operational insurgent cells? Regular forces?

I'm assuming the AO when you were deployed had already ghettoized right?

By the year 1998, jihadists were well organized and ready for an open conflict. Some areas of Kosovo were completely under their control even before real stuff kicked off. In those areas, KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) was operating as a regular military, along with bunch of middle-east fighters. In other parts of Kosovo they were acting in small terrorist groups, attacking official Serbian forces and civilians. I finished my 12 month training literally 7 days before NATO air strikes begun, March 24, 1999.

My unit consisted of 40 men, divided in 10 groups of 4; every group had a sniper, sniper's assistant and two recon operatives. I was the latter. We would be dispatched mostly in the southern regions of Kosovo, near Albanian border, to acquire info on enemy moving in from Albania. Occasionally setting mines and stuff. Aside from our snipers, we were instructed to avoid open fire due to being heavily outnumbered most of the time. We would also be assigned to plant "decoys" ( don't know the exact English term ), a device that would serve as something that would confuse planes info firing missiles, aiming at nothing but barren ground.
 
I really don't understand what's so hard about allowing people to move into your country whilst simultaneously enforcing the laws of said country on the new arrivals.
 
I really don't understand what's so hard about allowing people to move into your country whilst simultaneously enforcing the laws of said country on the new arrivals.

I agree. But in my country, just like in much of today's Europe it was pretty much opposite: they entered illegally, got the free stuff, never paid a dime in tax. Then, when numbers become big enough, they imposed their will on native population, attacking, stealing, burning property. If anyone raised their voice against that, he would be called "a nationalist" ( dirty word back then in Serbia ), lose a job and even end up in jail. You couldn't practice Christianity openly without being institutionally screwed in every way possible, yet mosques were popping everywhere.
 
I agree. But in my country, just like in much of today's Europe it was pretty much opposite: they entered illegally, got the free stuff, never paid a dime in tax. Then, when numbers become big enough, they imposed their will on native population, attacking, stealing, burning property. If anyone raised their voice against that, he would be called "a nationalist" ( dirty word back then in Serbia ), lose a job and even end up in jail. You couldn't practice Christianity openly without being institutionally screwed in every way possible, yet mosques were popping everywhere.
I guess I don't get it, who stands for gain by letting a group like this run a muck?

I've said it before I don't believe this could ever happen in the US, people are far to quick to resort to violence in this country to ever let things blow out of control like you're describing.
 
By the year 1998, jihadists were well organized and ready for an open conflict. Some areas of Kosovo were completely under their control even before real stuff kicked off. In those areas, KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) was operating as a regular military, along with bunch of middle-east fighters. In other parts of Kosovo they were acting in small terrorist groups, attacking official Serbian forces and civilians. I finished my 12 month training literally 7 days before NATO air strikes begun, March 24, 1999.

My unit consisted of 40 men, divided in 10 groups of 4; every group had a sniper, sniper's assistant and two recon operatives. I was the latter. We would be dispatched mostly in the southern regions of Kosovo, near Albanian border, to acquire info on enemy moving in from Albania. Occasionally setting mines and stuff. Aside from our snipers, we were instructed to avoid open fire due to being heavily outnumbered most of the time. We would also be assigned to plant "decoys" ( don't know the exact English term ), a device that would serve as something that would confuse planes info firing missiles, aiming at nothing but barren ground.

This is some legit crazy shit mate, and I've only read the Eagle's eye view of the war, so reading this from you is something else.

Could you tell us more about that transition from when it was an immigration movement, like you mentioned in the OP with higher crime waves and "no go" zones to when they started to get ballsy with open and organized conflict? If I recall correctly the air strikes weren't the flash point. They were already at least a well developed insurgency before those were taking place right?
 
I really don't understand what's so hard about allowing people to move into your country whilst simultaneously enforcing the laws of said country on the new arrivals.

Because that requires you to appreciate that not all people are the same with the same values bud. Once there's enough people that want something completely antithetical to the laws of their host country, they change it. Of course it also helps if the host country also has a democratic process to allow that to happen easier.
 
Because that requires you to appreciate that not all people are the same with the same values bud. Once there's enough people that want something completely antithetical to the laws of their host country, they change it. Of course it also helps if the host country also has a democratic process to allow that to happen easier.
I'm not some kid, I'm a 34 year old Iraq war vet that has first hand experience dealing with these kind of people.

We went into their homelands and enforced our own rules via violence, shouldn't be to hard to keep shit birds in line at home.

As I already said I don't see this being a real issue in the states. People here don't like others telling them what they can and can't do. Our overflowing jails are evidence of that.
 
This is some legit crazy shit mate, and I've only read the Eagle's eye view of the war, so reading this from you is something else.

Could you tell us more about that transition from when it was an immigration movement, like you mentioned in the OP with higher crime waves and "no go" zones to when they started to get ballsy with open and organized conflict? If I recall correctly the air strikes weren't the flash point. They were already at least a well developed insurgency before those were taking place right?

During the 70s and early 80s it was obvious that things won't go well. By that time, our media was completely silent about what goes on in Kosovo. There were already attacks on regular police patrols, setting cars and buildings on fire, etc. In 90s, when wars in Bosnia and Croatia begun, majority of Serbia's resources were transferred over there to help Serbs fight those wars. Meanwhile in Kosovo, groups armed themselves mostly by drug money and through donations from S.Arabia. The conflict was lurking for a couple of years. Around 1995, Serbian police couldn't even enter in dozens of areas down there. It was obvious by then what will our next war be. By 96-97, open attacks began, ambushing officials, civilians, organizing jihadists from all over into small groups that spread terror. Serbian army began their activities in Kosovo in 1998, attacking the strongholds of KLA. But then the media war began, "evil Serbian maniacs" and stuff, and NATO finally stepped in some 9 months later.
 
I guess I don't get it, who stands for gain by letting a group like this run a muck?

I've said it before I don't believe this could ever happen in the US, people are far to quick to resort to violence in this country to ever let things blow out of control like you're describing.

Well, call me a crazy conspiracy theorist, I believe that we were just a rehearsal for something bigger. That's why I posted in that other thread about Europe's future. I sincerely hope that US stay safe from that crap.
 
I'm not some kid, I'm a 34 year old Iraq war vet that has first hand experience dealing with these kind of people.

We went into their homelands and enforced our own rules via violence, shouldn't be to hard to keep shit birds in line at home.

As I already said I don't see this being a real issue in the states. People here don't like others telling them what they can and can't do. Our overflowing jails are evidence of that.

That's true. The US has a much different demographic problem though. The central point is that different cultures don't mix and have no business being presided over by the same governance and the same laws.
 
Well, call me a crazy conspiracy theorist, I believe that we were just a rehearsal for something bigger. That's why I posted in that other thread about Europe's future. I sincerely hope that US stay safe from that crap.

It won't. We're on the edge of shit escalating here too. Hence my interest in your experiences. You lived it, and you have some valuable knowledge to pass down brother.
 
That's true. The US has a much different demographic problem though. The central point is that different cultures don't mix and have no business being presided over by the same governance and the same laws.
I disagree, the US is comprised of many different cultures, including muslims.

Social media would have you believe the US is on the brink of some race war but that's nonesense.
 
I disagree, the US is comprised of many different cultures, including muslims.

Social media would have you believe the US is on the brink of some race war but that's nonesense.

That's my point. The different cultures are the problem. The races all vote differently from the founding values. Limited gov't. Free speech. The 2A, etc. No other majority demographic except Caucasians supports these things. We're further behind the curve as compared to the EU, but all it takes is a flash point.

In any event, to keep this awesome informative thread from derailing though, I won't be responding if you disagree.
 
Cultures taking residence in Western Europe now have hated western values for over 900 years too.

I agree, protestants leaving the western roman catholic church destroyed whatever unity the West had.
 
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