6 years ago, Venezuela banned private gun ownership to combat rising violent crime...

[IGotAHugePeckah]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

...yet they have the 3rd highest murder rate, below only El Salvador and Honduras. And Caracas is often known as the worlds most violent city.

Illegal firearms are widely available, often stolen from cops, or bought from crooked cops. Readily smuggled in across the border.

Why are Americans against 2A so sure that banning firearms is going to eliminate them? Considering a report a few years ago estimated 2000 illegal weapons were crossing into the US border per day?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Considering a report a few years ago estimated 2000 illegal weapons were crossing into the US border per day?

Really?

 

[method115]

It's silly. All your going to do is give the cartels another black market that they will easily supply. Just like when they took a hit with weed they started Meth.

 

[Black Helicopters]

Has anyone ever said they want to "ban guns"?

The whole issue is gun control, not "banning guns"

Banning guns is literally not even an option for American's. It's totally unconstitutional, the issue is regulations such as background checks and what kinds of guns you can own.

 

[KILL KILL]

If we're looking at countries with strict gun laws, why did you only mention Venezuela, and completely ignore the many others?

 

[Black Helicopters]

If we're looking at countries with strict gun laws, why did you only mention Venezuela, and completely ignore the many others?

It's easy to use a country which has trouble enforcing any law to prove your point. The majority of crime in Venezuela and many other Latin American countries goes without prosecution, including murders, some countries don't prosecute over 90% of their murders. Of course they can't enforce a gun ban.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

If we're looking at countries with strict gun laws, why did you only mention Venezuela, and completely ignore the many others?

I want to know why he's comparing the US to shithole countries instead of the rest of the 1st World

 

[Black Helicopters]

I want to know why he's comparing the US to shithole countries instead of the rest of the 1st World

The thing is, even Europe has gun attacks and they have strict gun control. Meanwhile in America we have no such thing because everyone has guns.

 

[Johnny Mac]

And just a couple years ago Bernie Sanders was praising Venezuela's socialist policies.

 

[MiniCraque]

So a broken nation with rampant wealth inequality and failed institutions at every level of government has high crime rates.

I'm at the same time shocked and curious to find out what can be extracted to have a honest debate about guns. Not that I think that's what TS is interested in.

 

[trident]

If we're looking at countries with strict gun laws, why did you only mention Venezuela, and completely ignore the many others?

I think we all know the answer to that lol

 

[snakedafunky]

Yeah, guns are legal in Afganistan and they have almost no crime at all.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Really?

I’d greatly like to see this report as well

@IGotAHugePeckah

 

[trident]

As has already been mentioned itt and everywhere else for the last century: no one who is serious is talking about takin all the guns away or even assault weapons. It's just a matter of making sure a lunatic doesn't get a weapon that can fucking kill a bunch of students hoghorned in a school.

Derp

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

I’d greatly like to see this report as well

@IGotAHugePeckah

Ask and ye shall receive my friends

https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/2000-illegal-weapons-cross-us-mexico-border-every-day/

From Jan 2015

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Has anyone ever said they want to "ban guns"?

Legislation banning guns doesn't create itself. I've pistols stored in another state because they are banned in mine. There's lots of firearms I'd like to purchase that are illegal for me to do so.

 

[MiniCraque]

As has already been mentioned itt and everywhere else for the last century: no one who is serious is talking about takin all the guns away or even assault weapons. It's just a matter of making sure a lunatic doesn't get a weapon that can fucking kill a bunch of students hoghorned in a school.

Derp

That's exactly what leftist tyrants would tell me before eventually striping me of all my gunz.

We freedom fighters see right through your lies.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Ask and ye shall receive my friends

https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/2000-illegal-weapons-cross-us-mexico-border-every-day/

From Jan 2015

That says guns are going from the US to Mexico. I thought you were saying the guns were entering the US.

 

[trident]

That's exactly what leftist tyrants would tell me before eventually striping me of all my gunz.

We freedom fighters see right through your lies.

Sounds like you have a mental illness and might be ineligible for an assault style weapon

 

[MiniCraque]

Sounds like you have a mental illness and might be ineligible for an assault style weapon

I was kidding dude. You need to read between the lines.