5 nightmare HW match-ups for Daniel Cormier (past & present)

[DanaWhitesButler]

What is the point of this thread? DC is not a HW

 

[Mga223]

Acting like Barnett isn't a big win for Crocop when he's Cormier's biggest HW win by far .... is pretty silly. Especially considering Barnett was far more relevant when Crocop beat him and Crocop beat him far more decisively.

It's funny that Cro cop best win was Someone Cormier beat with ease... in his 10th fight.

Wow 1 fighter in how many fights?

Cormier HW resume is practically just as good in like 1/4 of the fights.

Cro cop was overrated, no fan can ever argue that except for the old o he would beat Cormier in his prime.

Guy lost nearly every BIG fight he was in for MMA, he did absolutely nothing in America but get koed by non skilled HW's.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Cro cop was nothing without his special juice.

 

[LORDTENSAIMMA]

Yes, Bigfoot. You said 'DC doesn't KO anyone' and were proven wrong. Move along now.

My bulldog puppy knocked out Bigfoot

 

[LORDTENSAIMMA]

It's funny that Cro cop best win was Someone Cormier beat with ease... in his 10th fight.

Wow 1 fighter in how many fights?

Cormier HW resume is practically just as good in like 1/4 of the fights.

Cro cop was overrated, no fan can ever argue that except for the old o he would beat Cormier in his prime.

Guy lost nearly every BIG fight he was in for MMA, he did absolutely nothing in America but get koed by non skilled HW's.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Cro cop was nothing without his special juice.

You sound like a pussy boy.

Cro cop fucked a lot of dudes up with ease. He would've killed the version of Barnett that fought dc. He also would've killed the version of Anderson Silva that fought dc (any version of cro cop). Who are dc's big wins? Prime Cormier couldn't put away Frank Mir or Roy big boy. He's only beat washed up heavyweights and guys he's way bigger than. He's a great weight cut champ lol.

 

[Mga223]

You sound like a pussy boy.

Cro cop fucked a lot of dudes up with ease. He would've killed the version of Barnett that fought dc. He also would've killed the version of Anderson Silva that fought dc (any version of cro cop). Who are dc's big wins? Prime Cormier couldn't put away Frank Mir or Roy big boy. He's only beat washed up heavyweights and guys he's way bigger than. He's a great weight cut champ lol.

Lol at naming 2 guys that put Cro cop in lala land.

 

[LORDTENSAIMMA]

Lol at naming 2 guys that put Cro cop in lala land.

Old man cro cop, not prime cro cop.

You really are a simple minded guy. If you look outside and see sun, do you put on a t shirt and shorts? Even if it's 20 degrees Fahrenheit?

 

[LORDTENSAIMMA]

I'll be a siiimple... kinda maaaaaaaan
Or Lord help me
If you caaaaaan

 

[Mga223]

Old man cro cop, not prime cro cop.

You really are a simple minded guy. If you look outside and see sun, do you put on a t shirt and shorts? Even if it's 20 degrees Fahrenheit?

lol frank Mir was no spring chicken himself, just like when Mir TKO nog (something Cro cop couldn't do) he would of done the same to 'prime' Cro cop.

Losing to any form of Roy nelson is fucking embarrassing. Like I said no hormones to help him as he was a mental midget.

 

[fatlipjesus]

It's funny that Cro cop best win was Someone Cormier beat with ease... in his 10th fight.

Wow 1 fighter in how many fights?

Cormier HW resume is practically just as good in like 1/4 of the fights.

Cro cop was overrated, no fan can ever argue that except for the old o he would beat Cormier in his prime.

Guy lost nearly every BIG fight he was in for MMA, he did absolutely nothing in America but get koed by non skilled HW's.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Cro cop was nothing without his special juice.

Crocop beat him with ease too.

How does Cormier beating the same guy with ease that Crocop beat with ease... mean anything at all other than that they can both beat him with ease?


"Didnt do anything in America"

lol fuck America

 

[LORDTENSAIMMA]

lol frank Mir was no spring chicken himself, just like when Mir TKO nog (something Cro cop couldn't do) he would of done the same to 'prime' Cro cop.

Losing to any form of Roy nelson is fucking embarrassing. Like I said no hormones to help him as he was a mental midget.

Cro cop fought Mir on short notice.
Cro cop beat the piss out of nog way worse that Mir did.


Keep trying

 

[LORDTENSAIMMA]

Prime nog, might i add. The version Mir beat wasn't ever a shell

 

[JustBleed69]

In no particular order:

1-Antonio Nogueira circa 2001-2005

An elite bjj fighter with an iron chin, decent boxing and insane cardio? Well that sounds scary. People used to say Nogueira didn’t lose fights, he just ran out of time, and for a good reason.

Good luck at trying to GnP Nog’s iron chin and not getting subbed in the process. No doubt DC could take Nog down but he would pretty much be playing in a mousetrap the whole time. Some of his habits on the ground such as resting his extended arms on top of his opponents’ torso or leaving one arm in while in guard could easily get him subbed (more on that later).

Fedor was shaking off triangles and kimuras all the time while on Nogueira''s guard. Cormier simply doesn't have the awareness nor technique do do that.

DC’s best bet would probably be to sprawl and brawl (kinda like Fedor did in their 3rd fight), however Nogueira, while not heavy handed, had pretty decent boxing, while Cormier’s striking is pretty basic albeit heavy handed.

Cardio would no doubt be a key factor. DC doesn’t have great cardio, while Nogueira had amazing cardio.

Fedor trying to finish a Terminator:

2-Mirko Crocop circa 2003-2006

An elite striker with killer takedown defense? Sounds like a wrestler’s worst nightmare. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say Mirko would have been the worst possible match-up for DC in the history of the sport.

Forget about the head kicks. Cormier’s poor defense and ability to take body shots is about the worst weakness you can have against Crocop. It’s not like Cormier just got caught once or twice, he’s actually not good at defending body shots at all.

Seriously, when an old and out of prime Anderson Silva can make scream from pain with a left body kick, you should thank the universe you never had to fight a prime Mirko Crocop.

Somebody please tell Cormier how to defend body kicks:

I forgot the sport has evolved so much, fighters now don’t defend body kicks, they just take them like men.

Now DC has heavy hands and could catch Mirko ala Kevin Randleman, but honestly chances would be very slim. DC isn’t nearly as fast or explosive as Kevin was. He's slower and more flat footed, which makes him an easier target for strikes. Getting his head or liver kicked into oblivion seems a lot more likely.

3-Ubereem / Econoreem

Do I really need to explain anything here?

Reem has the TD defense and his striking is miles above DC's. Sure Overeem’s chin can always betray him, but DC getting kneed and body kicked to oblivion seems a lot more likely.

4-Fabricio Werdum

The man who subbed Fedor, Cain and KO’d Mark Hunt. Nuff said.

With that world class bjj, Werdum’s guard is pretty much the last place on earth Cormier should want to be. To make it worse, the dude is also a very capable striker:

Standing or on the ground, Cormier has no place to hide.

5- Fedor Emelianenko circa 2003-2006

We all know DC is a black prime Fedor



but with inferior striking, speed, reflexes, timing, elusiveness, agressivenes, pace, transitions, chin, cardio, sweeps, subs, sub defense,"heart", and the list goes on. Who the hell called DC black Fedor?

The stand-up isn't even close. Fedor fought and outstruck several elite strikers. Considering all of the above, DC having his way with Fedor in the stand-up is simply wishful thinking. He would most likely get overwhelmed, hurt and dropped.

Now DC could take Fedor down (or slam him on his head, doesn't matter). The problem is, DC tends to leave himself opened for subs when on top.

Leaving his arms like this for instance could get him armbarred quickly:

One arm in next to his opponent's head.

This was 2 seconds before Coleman got armbarred:

Cormier's arm doesn't even need to be that deep. This is Fedor's armbar starting position:

Now you might say DC has better sub defense than Coleman (does he?), but that's irrelevant. If he leaves his arms like that he gets armbarred just like him.

Standing or on the ground Fedor was simply just too much for DC to handle. He had a lot more weapons at his disposal. DC's best bet would be to LnP Fedor and avoid the subs/sweeps, but given his habits on the ground that's simply not likely.

Honorable mention: Stipe Miocic

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Bottom line:

There's no denying Daniel Comier proved himself to be a top heavyweight, defeating top fighters like Antonio Silva and Josh Barnett to win the Strikeforce Grand Prix. That being said, he never really fought the best HW's in the world at the time (Overeem, Werdum, Cain, JDS).

Some people even think Cormier was too good for the HW division, but I think the reason he has been doing so well is in fact that he’s NOT fighting at HW; not getting punched, kneed and body kicked by some of the guys mentioned above and others.

Hopefuly he'll move up again soon.

I think Reem, Werdum, and Fedor would be very nteresting, although id still favor DC. His boxing/dirty boxing is super underrated and he is incredibly explosive and strong.
Size would be the only advantage id give any of them.

 

[Mga223]

Cro cop fought Mir on short notice.
Cro cop beat the piss out of nog way worse that Mir did.


Keep trying

Cro cop lost.

Mir won.

Wah Wah was winning until he lost..

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I think Reem, Werdum, and Fedor would be very nteresting, although id still favor DC. His boxing/dirty boxing is super underrated and he is incredibly explosive and strong.
Size would be the only advantage id give any of them.

I think Nogs boxing during his prime is much more underrated, granted I wouldn't bet on him finishing Cormier BUT I would bet on Nog winning a decision if DC desided to keep it standing. Again how it might go on the ground is very hard to say for certain with Cormier never really facing that kind of test.

I see mga still coming up with tthe most simplistic fanboy nonsense, still clinging to the idea that "nobody declines there just exposed" even though "evolved" UFC hyped fighters have started to dropoff.

 

[Universal Kombat]

This thread wouldn't have been made if DC looked like Ubereem or Brock. He's constantly being discriminated against because of his dad bod, let's not kid ourselves.

Gotta agree. There's alot of homosexuals here who hate him for the way he looks like something out of a teen girl TV show.

But nonetheless, DCs style is very unlikeable. And to be honest it's easy to see how easily he can lose to some of our prime champions of the golden era.

 

[Universal Kombat]

Cro cop lost.

Mir won.

Wah Wah was winning until he lost..

Mir won, but you can't deny that Mir fought a way out of prime CC who was a shadow of his former self.

Remember, washed up Nog dropped Mir, and Mirko gave Nog an ass whipping on the stand up.

Bet you're the type of retard who also thinks Brendan Schuab was a better striker than Crocop ever was.

 

[Gregoire1]

If we talk about peak DC... In all MMA history I take peak Jones, Gus, Cain, Werdum, Stipe, Fedor, Ubereem, JDS, Mirko over him more often than not. Thats it.

 

[Mga223]

Mir won, but you can't deny that Mir fought a way out of prime CC who was a shadow of his former self.

Remember, washed up Nog dropped Mir, and Mirko gave Nog an ass whipping on the stand up.

Bet you're the type of retard who also thinks Brendan Schuab was a better striker than Crocop ever was.

Yea cause Mir was in his prime, nice forgetting that Mir smashed nog before when both were in closer to their primes
Bet you're the type of retard who also thinks Cro cop is some mythical creature that can KO anyone.

LMAO reminding me that he lost to Brendan schaub FFS, not even no chin nog lost to him.

Further proving my point that no juice Cro cop was terrible.

 

[DayV]

Yea cause Mir was in his prime, nice forgetting that Mir smashed nog before when both were in closer to their primes
Bet you're the type of retard who also thinks Cro cop is some mythical creature that can KO anyone.

LMAO reminding me that he lost to Brendan schaub FFS, not even no chin nog lost to him.

Further proving my point that no juice Cro cop was terrible.

You are one of the biggest trolls on this forum.

Cro Cop is a boxer and kickboxer in his base. He boxed with world champions and Olympic medailists during his amateur boxing career, and Mirko beat top competition and some of the best fighters in the world in K-1. He is one of the rare elite kickboxers to make sucessful transition to MMA and he continued to beat world's top fighters in PRIDE.

His entire game from boxing and K-1, his habits, movement, striking, ring cutting and closing opponents to corners are also good and valid in ring MMA, while his game and style is not that good in America because unified rules, huge octagon space, cage and fence, and refs that allow much longer clinch are completely different and diminish his strong sides, and emphasis his weaker sides.
If you do not understand that then you are a complete idiot and you don't know anything about combat sports and MMA.

Cro Cop had 50 professional fights when he came to UFC while Cormier has 19 now, and UFC veterans retire with 20 - 30 fights.
You may have 2 cars of the same age, but if one has 50 000 miles and other has 150 000 miles, there is a big difference in wear and tear.

 

[Mga223]

You are one of the biggest trolls on this forum.

Cro Cop is a boxer and kickboxer in his base. He boxed with world champions and Olympic medailists during his amateur boxing career, and Mirko beat top competition and some of the best fighters in the world in K-1. He is one of the rare elite kickboxers to make sucessful transition to MMA and he continued to beat world's top fighters in PRIDE.

His entire game from boxing and K-1, his habits, movement, striking, ring cutting and closing opponents to corners are also good and valid in ring MMA, while his game and style is not that good in America because unified rules, huge octagon space, cage and fence, and refs that allow much longer clinch are completely different and diminish his strong sides, and emphasis his weaker sides.
If you do not understand that then you are a complete idiot and you don't know anything about combat sports and MMA.

Cro Cop had 50 professional fights when he came to UFC while Cormier has 19 now, and UFC veterans retire with 20 - 30 fights.
You may have 2 cars of the same age, but if one has 50 000 miles and other has 150 000 miles, there is a big difference in wear and tear.

Yes the cage is what caused him to get headkicked by gonzaga.

Maybe you idiots should see what PED's can do for a human, Cro cop abused it in pride, he was always a mental midget and the fights he lost in pride were mostly because he was pressured.

Keep giving that out of prime crap, he was 6 months of his 'biggest wins' when he joined the UFC, just admit he wasn't some god fighter that you idiots make out and show some respect to the others.

All I ever hear is prime Cro cop would beat his guy.

Facts are
Prime Cro cop lost to the 2 beat HW's of pride.
Prime Cro cop got koed by randleman.
Prime Cro cop got head kicked by gonzaga.
Prime Cro cop record is padded with terrible fighters.

Continually crap on about it though, I have facts you have the imaginary land you live in that he's undefeated and would beat any human in the world. LOL