5 nightmare HW match-ups for Daniel Cormier (past & present)

[mjfan23]

Next you should do a bisping vs the top five LHW thread and a MM vs top five man sized fighters thread

 

[hot carl]

No.

Shogun would destroy DC in 2005.

nuh uh

 

[fatlipjesus]

nuh uh

Mmmmmhmmm

 

[Claude]

Well as you present no cogent rebuttals your claim to be erudite in fighting in null.

The facts are overwhelming. If every single fighter in a sanctioned organization (wihout fixed outcome) whips Fedors ass, and DC whips all their asses.

The "evidence" is overwhelming.

That's just plain old common sense.

LOL, sorry, I think we're done here. You still need to learn a lot about fighting, including the basics. You're using MMAth and other newbie stuff which has been proven irrelevant countless times. You also need to learn how to read since this thread is clearly talking about Fedor circa 2003-2006 and you're bringing his losses way after that.

Too much failure, too much newbieness.

Cheers.

 

[Claude]

DC destroys grapplers. Just watch his HW fights. He has excellent positioning on the ground.

CroCop was so dominant in a ring where he could cut off fighters who had no idea how to defend his kicks. Fedor's style was much better in a ring as well. In the cage DC beats them.

"DC destroys grapplers" is a very vague statement. Werdum and Nogueira aren't any grapplers, they were both the best of their time. DC has never faced anyone as good as them. DC also has bad habits on the ground that could easily get him get subbed from the bottom.

Neither Crocop or Fedor circa 2003-2006 fought in a cage, so you're claims are just a wild guess.

 

[ermac88]

LOL, sorry, I think we're done here. You still need to learn a lot about fighting, including the basics. You're using MMAth and other newbie stuff which has been proven irrelevant countless times. You also need to learn how to read since this thread is clearly talking about Fedor circa 2003-2006 and you're bringing his losses way after that.

Too much failure, too much newbieness.

Cheers.

Yup actually mma records and performance, atlhetic ability, success is "irrelevant"

Records are "irrelevant"
Reality vs fantasy

We are indeed done here

 

[Claude]

Yup actually mma records and performance, atlhetic ability, success is "irrelevant"

Records are "irrelevant"
Reality vs fantasy

We are indeed done here

In an actual fight they are, they really are, lol. It's amazing how poorly educated you are, no offense.

Who had a better record, Daiju Takase or Anderson Silva? Who won the the fight?
Who had a better record, Rockhold or Weidman? Who won the fight?
Who had a better record, Aldo or McGregor? Who won the fight?

etc.
You think Cormier is more athletic than a prime Fedor?

To seal your failure, Fedor had a record of 26-1 in 2006; which is far better than Cormier's current record, lol.

Cheers.

 

[Garnett Silk]

Good list @Claude

I'd like to add Cain circa his prime and Josh Barnett circa his Pride run in the mid 2000s

Cain because he spars and trains with Cormier on a daily basis and he knows all the tricks and strategies Daniel will unleash in a fight

No drug test Josh Barnett who can take a beating and then pull a leglock/toe hold from nowhere for the upset

Best bet to beat Cormier may be Pride CroCop like you mentioned in the OP

 

[Ibm]

1. Overeem
2. Werdum
3. Cro Cop (possibly)
4. JDS
5. Noguera

 

[ermac88]

In an actual fight they are, they really are, lol. It's amazing how poorly educated you are, no offense.

Who had a better record, Daiju Takase or Anderson Silva? Who won the the fight?
Who had a better record, Rockhold or Weidman? Who won the fight?
Who had a better record, Aldo or McGregor? Who won the fight?

etc.
You think Cormier is more athletic than a prime Fedor?

To seal your failure, Fedor had a record of 26-1 in 2006; which is far better than Cormier's current record, lol.

Cheers.

"Records are irrelevant"

Understood.

"Records are irrelevant"

You made your personal opinion clear and your understanding of competition crystal clear.

 

[Claude]

"Records are irrelevant"

Understood.

"Records are irrelevant"

You made your personal opinion clear and your understanding of competition crystal clear.

Why did you avoid my questions?

 

[MMAGamblero]

In an actual fight they are, they really are, lol. It's amazing how poorly educated you are, no offense.

Who had a better record, Daiju Takase or Anderson Silva? Who won the the fight?
Who had a better record, Rockhold or Weidman? Who won the fight?
Who had a better record, Aldo or McGregor? Who won the fight?

etc.
You think Cormier is more athletic than a prime Fedor?

To seal your failure, Fedor had a record of 26-1 in 2006; which is far better than Cormier's current record, lol.

Cheers.

Jeez Claude you are still at it on here huh? You are too bias to argue, you sound irrational, emotional, and ignorant every time you enter a Fedor post. 26-1? Cool, but he fought some real shit competition. Nagata, Zulu, Choi, Goodridge, Apostolov, Takada, Lazarov, Lagvilava, Hasdell, etc. DC came in right away after grueling OLYMPIC regime and after his 3rd fight he starts fighting some pretty damn good fighters fighting HW 5-0 MMA 24-0 boxing fighter, after that in his 4th fight he fights 4-0 HW KOTC HW champion, and then goes onto fight Sao, Bigfoot Silva (guy who beat Fedor, fought him right after that and beat the fuck out of him), Barnett, Mir, Nelson, Hendo (guy who KO'd Fedor), Rumble, Gus, Jones, Anderson Silva...whose who of MMA in his first 19 MMA fights.

DC resume at 19 fights > Fedor resume at 19 fights and it is not even an argument!

DC OLYMPIC WRESTLING and MMA accomplishments > Fedor Sambo and MMA accopmlishments = DC being superior athlete.

Claude you need to take your Fedor bias glasses off and see the truth Breh.

Cheers mate!

 

[MMAGamblero]

Yeah... because Juicing sure teaches people this kind of technique. Can you point me to what kind of steroids will help me become like Crocop? Lol



How many MMA fighters at heavyweight or even light heavyweight do you know, who can strike like that?

Also, you're using logic here and there to try to come to the conclusion he sucks. Now, you're being dishonest to logic by using half truths. If you want to explore this with all its facts, (which I'm sure you don't) you'll see you're wrong.

I'm not gonna write a whole story since I don't expect sherdoggers to sit through a couple of sentences but here's a quick rundown.

1.it ain't cheating if everyone was Juicing, everyone he fought was Juicing too, no advantage whatsoever in that regard
2.When you stop Juicing, your body is WAY WORSE OFF than if it never did, if anything he fought handicapped in the UFC with very low testosterone levels
3. He fought many younger guys in the UFC, and even the guys he fought from his era, don't even have one fourth of the fights and training camps Mirko has accumulated throughout his career. People only take age into consideration for prime, but they never take the amount of wear and tear.
4. Being a kickboxer, with his best weapon being a left kick, he's unable to corner people in the cage, his best work came from cornering people in the ring.
5. Fabricio Werdum who was barely a top 5 guy in Pride, wasn't even CLOSE to a title shot, he couldn't even get past Sergei Kharitonov or Nogueira. This was back when Fabricio was much younger and in a physical prime. Now at 40 years old he became a UFC champ. And not by beating a crappy old UFC heavyweight like Arlovski or Mir, but by beating the younger new generation.
6. Crocop absolutely destroyed a prime Hunt and Nogueira in the feet. These same guys Crocop tooled have funnily enough beat ALL the guys Mirko has lost to.

Nelson, Kongo, Schuab, Gonzaga, guys who Fabricio (Crocops striking coach for a couple of years mind you) and Hunt took out with ease.

Proof that Crocop dropped out of his Prime in the 2006 grand prix .

Damn it I couldn't help myself. I wrote a whole story.

Jesus man, you need to create more excuses.

Crocop was definitely in his prime when he fought GG...it is sad to see for his fans but you cannot take that away and just claim he was automatically out of his prime when he came over here and started losing...kind of like Fedor.

 

[Universal Kombat]

Jesus man, you need to create more excuses.

Crocop was definitely in his prime when he fought GG...it is sad to see for his fans but you cannot take that away and just claim he was automatically out of his prime when he came over here and started losing...kind of like Fedor.

Take a second to mull over your thoughts. You called what I said "excuses" but that's just a cheap cop out to brush off everything I said.

You offered absolutely no counter argument except.

"He was" that's not proof at all. You're just telling me what you want to believe without any proof.

I offered logical facts such as the amounts of fights, training camps and wear an tear, and the differences in fighting in rings as opposed to cages, injuries, etc. If you think THOSE are excuses then you've basically shown yourself to be another fan who doesn't even compete and I'm willing to bet doesn't even train in boxing or kickboxing.

If he was still in his prime, show me some evidence. If you think some BJJ guy throwing a sloppy head kick and landing it on Crocop (a K1 kickboxer who never got head kicked once by guys who could pull them off easily like Peter Aerts, Hoost, Hug) is Prime... then... that says it all.

 

[alexxx]

mighty fine thread if I may say so ,

carry on gentlemen !

 

[Claude]

Jeez Claude you are still at it on here huh? You are too bias to argue, you sound irrational, emotional, and ignorant every time you enter a Fedor post. 26-1? Cool, but he fought some real shit competition. Nagata, Zulu, Choi, Goodridge, Apostolov, Takada, Lazarov, Lagvilava, Hasdell, etc. DC came in right away after grueling OLYMPIC regime and after his 3rd fight he starts fighting some pretty damn good fighters fighting HW 5-0 MMA 24-0 boxing fighter, after that in his 4th fight he fights 4-0 HW KOTC HW champion, and then goes onto fight Sao, Bigfoot Silva (guy who beat Fedor, fought him right after that and beat the fuck out of him), Barnett, Mir, Nelson, Hendo (guy who KO'd Fedor), Rumble, Gus, Jones, Anderson Silva...whose who of MMA in his first 19 MMA fights.

DC resume at 19 fights > Fedor resume at 19 fights and it is not even an argument!

DC OLYMPIC WRESTLING and MMA accomplishments > Fedor Sambo and MMA accopmlishments = DC being superior athlete.

Claude you need to take your Fedor bias glasses off and see the truth Breh.

Cheers mate!

In 2006 Fedor had more top wins and a better record than DC. Sorry but that's a fact. This thread is also not about comparing resumes.

Cheers.

 

[MMAGamblero]

In 2006 Fedor had more top wins and a better record than DC. Sorry but that's a fact. This thread is also not about comparing resumes.

Cheers.

What do you define top wins as Claude? I define top wins as top 10, which most do.

Fedor: Rogers, AA, Sylvia, Coleman, CC, Big Nog 2x and Coleman...maybe Herring? I will give you Herring just because you will need all the help in the world with this argument.. 9 top 10 wins.

DC: Gus, Rumble, Nelson, Mir, Barnett, and Bigfoot Silva. 6 top 10 wins.

In Fedor first 19 fights (how many DC currently has, Fedor has 3 top 10 wins and that is including Heath Herring who was 2-2 going into Fedor fight in his last 4.

You cannot simply say that Fedor has more top10 wins by 2006, well no shit Claude, he had 8 more fights than DC at 27 fights in 2006. All DC has to go is 4 out of his next 8 fights (assuming they are all top 10 which I would wager most of them would be) and he will have more top 10 wins. If you go there first 19 fights, which is fair, DC dominates Fedor. THESE ARE FACTS CLAUDE!! I KNOW YOU FANBOYS HATE FACTS BECAUSE IT IS SO EASILY DISCREDITS YOUR FANTASY FEDOR ARGUMENT...

Cheers Mate!

 

[The XL]

DC absolutely murdered Dan Henderson and a juiced up bigfoot, who both stopped Fedor. They aren't the same tier of fighter, DC would maul Fedor in the clinch and on the ground.

 

[Claude]

What do you define top wins as Claude? I define top wins as top 10, which most do.

Fedor: Rogers, AA, Sylvia, Coleman, CC, Big Nog 2x and Coleman...maybe Herring? I will give you Herring just because you will need all the help in the world with this argument.. 9 top 10 wins.

DC: Gus, Rumble, Nelson, Mir, Barnett, and Bigfoot Silva. 6 top 10 wins.

In Fedor first 19 fights (how many DC currently has, Fedor has 3 top 10 wins and that is including Heath Herring who was 2-2 going into Fedor fight in his last 4.

You cannot simply say that Fedor has more top10 wins by 2006, well no shit Claude, he had 8 more fights than DC at 27 fights in 2006. All DC has to go is 4 out of his next 8 fights (assuming they are all top 10 which I would wager most of them would be) and he will have more top 10 wins. If you go there first 19 fights, which is fair, DC dominates Fedor. THESE ARE FACTS CLAUDE!! I KNOW YOU FANBOYS HATE FACTS BECAUSE IT IS SO EASILY DISCREDITS YOUR FANTASY FEDOR ARGUMENT...

Cheers Mate!

Again this thread isn't about resumes. I already told you the facts anyway.

Cheers.

 

[Claude]

DC absolutely murdered Dan Henderson and a juiced up bigfoot, who both stopped Fedor. They aren't the same tier of fighter, DC would maul Fedor in the clinch and on the ground.

MMAth doesn't work and much less when timing isn't taken into account. The more you watch MMA the more you will understand that.

Styles make fights. Golden rule of MMA. Learn that first and foremost.

Cheers.