45 years since the last Moon Mission/Trump signs Space Policy Directive

[spin]

I really think as a country it is something worth striving for and Mars and I am glad the President appears to be interested in going to Mars.

care to post reasons?

 

[savemgs]

I support this move by Trump.

Yeah dude I have very mixed feelings about Donald Trump especially most of his policies that regard science.
Although I think this is a wonderful thing.

 

[tramendous]

My opinion on this is that we should explore the entirety of the Earth before venturing further i to space. Less than 5 or 6% of the ocean floor has been explored and I think resources could be more appropriatley applied in that realm. I am not a huge fan of the Mars exploration because it is a mostly if not entirely dead planet and it seems like science fiction driven vanity that prompts the interest. I have a totally unsubstantiated idea that the table of elements will be expanded if we ever explore the entire ocean and the subterranean layers of Earth. Why exactly do you think going to Mars is worthwhile?

Thats a very short sighted way of looking at it. You are not going to learn more about the solar system by exploring the ocean floor vs exploring the solar system. Im also not sure why exploring mars would be science fiction vanity. We are still reaping the benefits of the dead apollo missions. Manned missions to mars and beyond would improve our technology in robotics, medicine, fuel. It would make us learn more about surviving and thriving in hostile environments, would help us learn about Earth as well and this is just surface level stuff. Jupiter's moon Europa has a bigger ocean than all of Earth's combined.

This would be like island people saying maybe we should sail out and see if there are other places like this and then you come out and say 'we've only explored 20% of this cave and mountain!

Have some imagination and wonder.

 

[Lord Coke]

care to post reasons?

I think it is a goal that would give the collective consciousness of America something to strive for. The country was very united about the space race and every American was able to feel a sense of pride that currently is lacking in America.

Technology. We got more out of the space race than we put in due to the thousands of scientific innocations that were put into the pricate sector as a result of it.

Resources. We get to the Moon and asteroids we have a huge new source of resources. \

Colonizing Mars gives humanity a insurance policy if we blow up the planet.

More to the point we need to get to Mars to get to Saturn and I believe that the odds of life on Europa or one of the other moons of Saturn and Jupiter are very high. I think being able to find alien life is important in of itself.

 

[spin]

I think it is a goal that would give the collective consciousness of America something to strive for. The country was very united about the space race and every American was able to feel a sense of pride that currently is lacking in America.

You're actually going to pretend the moon, something that's been done, would give the collective something to strive for? Really?

And side point. How exactly was the country united? Cause the press wrote it that way? Hmmm.

Technology. We got more out of the space race than we put in due to the thousands of scientific innocations that were put into the pricate sector as a result of it.

Had nothing to do with putting people on the moon. Entirely different goalposts.

Resources. We get to the Moon and asteroids we have a huge new source of resources. \

You had to throw asteroids in there cause you knew the moon had fuck all.

Colonizing Mars gives humanity a insurance policy if we blow up the planet.

Ok, so we've established manning the moon is silly and are moving on

More to the point we need to get to Mars to get to Saturn and I believe that the odds of life on Europa or one of the other moons of Saturn and Jupiter are very high. I think being able to find alien life is important in of itself.

Fair enough.

 

[Lord Coke]

You're actually going to pretend the moon, something that's been done, would give the collective something to strive for? Really?

And side point. How exactly was the country united? Cause the press wrote it that way? Hmmm.



Had nothing to do with putting people on the moon. Entirely different goalposts.



You had to throw asteroids in there cause you knew the moon had fuck all.



Ok, so we've established manning the moon is silly and are moving on




Fair enough.

I was actually talking about real space travel in general and presumably if you are going to Mars/Jupiter etc you are going to go back to the Moon to and likely first.

As I mentioned in one of my posts, my father worked on Project Orion and the plan is or was for them to go to the Moon first basically to test the ship out and then a few years later to go to Mars.

 

[unimackpass]

Thats a very short sighted way of looking at it. You are not going to learn more about the solar system by exploring the ocean floor vs exploring the solar system. Im also not sure why exploring mars would be science fiction vanity. We are still reaping the benefits of the dead apollo missions. Manned missions to mars and beyond would improve our technology in robotics, medicine, fuel. It would make us learn more about surviving and thriving in hostile environments, would help us learn about Earth as well and this is just surface level stuff. Jupiter's moon Europa has a bigger ocean than all of Earth's combined.

This would be like island people saying maybe we should sail out and see if there are other places like this and then you come out and say 'we've only explored 20% of this cave and mountain!

Have some imagination and wonder.

Exactly, get the hell away from sherdog and be human.
Nothing like having open ocean in front of you and looking up at the stars and wanting to know more.

Love the quote by Sagan in the video. Once its deep in your blood your ruined.


Herman Melville, in Moby Dick, spoke for wanderers in all epochs and meridians: "I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas . . ."

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

The lack of atmosphere makes the moon a virtual walmart of rare elements that could potentially save our planet from the ravages of extrapolation.

Now that we can haul equipment and cargo for less than 2k per KG and the rise of private space travel -- the time is getting primed for a return to the moon. China is gearing up full steam for it as well.

Let Bezos and Musk duke it out for the pride that comes with Mars. The money is on the moon.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

But Trump is anti-science!!!! - Leftist screaming at the moon like a lunatic.

Trump loves science










From the 1960's

I don't see much point on going to the moon unless it is to help prepare to go even further but I suspect it will just be to show off .

 

[spin]

I was actually talking about real space travel in general and presumably if you are going to Mars/Jupiter etc you are going to go back to the Moon to and likely first.

As I mentioned in one of my posts, my father worked on Project Orion and the plan is or was for them to go to the Moon first basically to test the ship out and then a few years later to go to Mars.

Just say putting people on the moon is stupid.

You know it, I know it. That's Trump's stated pursuit, and it's stupid.

Or don't say it, and keep moving on to other space travel and I'll still know you know it.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Movie production values are so much better now, with CGI, should make faking this moon landing much more believable.

Lol you put the "nut" in nutman.

Trump haters are some of the dumbest human beings on planet Earth.

Good stuff Mr. President, keep it going!

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Idiot move for various reasons.

Going back to the moon is the lowest common denominator of space exploration, as well as a colossally expensive endeavor with the current craft in the works. This would be smart if we hadn't already gone all in on the SLS.

Ummm no it is not. It's a great thing to test newer equipment, technology and it's limits. Not only will it be a boon for science but also for our country as a great feat. Maybe we can deploy some equipment there and lay the groundwork for future missions to stay on the Moon longer and see what else can be discovered or maybe even mined?

You're just being a bitch because this will make Trump look even greater than that do nothing bitch Obama.

 

[ShadowRun]

What a jerk! Jimmy Kimmel’s son needs healthcare but nooooo lets do something we did 45 years ago.

 

[ShadowRun]

Lol you put the "nut" in nutman.

Trump haters are some of the dumbest human beings on planet Earth.

Good stuff Mr. President, keep it going!

It’s going to be a long 7 years for them

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Let's face it.... we need international cooperation to put someone on Mars. It's expensive. Each country wants to be the first so we are dividing dollars.

Get an American, Russian and Chinese cooperative program and get this shit done.

This nationalistic bullshit is getting us nowhere.

i kind of agree. wouldnt you be worried about sharing cutting edge tech with slightly unpredictable geopolitical rivals, though?

 

[JonnyRingo84]

I am skeptical that he's going to pay for the wall and the moon while cutting government revenue and driving up the debt.

no worries....mexico is paying for the wall. so space will be easy.

 

[snakedafunky]

Ummm no it is not. It's a great thing to test newer equipment, technology and it's limits. Not only will it be a boon for science but also for our country as a great feat. Maybe we can deploy some equipment there and lay the groundwork for future missions to stay on the Moon longer and see what else can be discovered or maybe even mined?

You're just being a bitch because this will make Trump look even greater than that do nothing bitch Obama.

I am just wondering as someone that believes the future of humankind lies in the stars. Is going back to the moon right now a good decision?
Doesn't really have anything to do with Trump. I just think we are at a stage were the available resources would be better spend on other things than manning a mission to the moon.

But I might be wrong if this gets people excited again about space. And gets a private buisnes/tourism going. I have no problem giving credit for it to the Donald.
In my limited opinion, I just feel it's not the right time the money could be spent better on getting a more efficient propulsion system for example.

 

[Falsedawn]

Ummm no it is not. It's a great thing to test newer equipment, technology and it's limits. Not only will it be a boon for science but also for our country as a great feat. Maybe we can deploy some equipment there and lay the groundwork for future missions to stay on the Moon longer and see what else can be discovered or maybe even mined?

You're just being a bitch because this will make Trump look even greater than that do nothing bitch Obama.

It must be hard living with a mental deficiency, because I went exactly into the reasons why I thought it was a stupid idea and none of them involved Trump. How you managed to parse that I just hate it because Trump is doing it is the height of being a fucking retard.

 

[Nth-degree]

Thats a very short sighted way of looking at it. You are not going to learn more about the solar system by exploring the ocean floor vs exploring the solar system. Im also not sure why exploring mars would be science fiction vanity. We are still reaping the benefits of the dead apollo missions. Manned missions to mars and beyond would improve our technology in robotics, medicine, fuel. It would make us learn more about surviving and thriving in hostile environments, would help us learn about Earth as well and this is just surface level stuff. Jupiter's moon Europa has a bigger ocean than all of Earth's combined.

This would be like island people saying maybe we should sail out and see if there are other places like this and then you come out and say 'we've only explored 20% of this cave and mountain!

Have some imagination and wonder.

That's interesting and I am not trying to be obtuse but if there is life on Europa then we don't have the right to go there and fuck with it. By that I mean that perhaps any one celled organisms on Europa deserve their own shot at evolution. I can get on board with a shared goal, I just think that it can be striven for on Earth somewhere. Know thyself, and for humans thyself is the home planet and then, way after, the solar system. If we have billions of years before the sun burns out then future generations have plenty of time to navigate the solar system and beyond and I believe they would be aided greatly by using the totality of Earthen knowledge which has yet to be explored.

 

[tramendous]

That's interesting and I am not trying to be obtuse but if there is life on Europa then we don't have the right to go there and fuck with it. By that I mean that perhaps any one celled organisms on Europa deserve their own shot at evolution. I can get on board with a shared goal, I just think that it can be striven for on Earth somewhere. Know thyself, and for humans thyself is the home planet and then, way after, the solar system. If we have billions of years before the sun burns out then future generations have plenty of time to navigate the solar system and beyond and I believe they would be aided greatly by using the totality of Earthen knowledge which has yet to be explored.

we may not have time for way after. a part of space exploration is finding solutions to problems on earth. There will be no shortage of reasons to not go out into space if you try to look for them. We shouldn't explore space until we explore the ocean, we shouldn't explore the ocean until no one in the USA is homeless, we shouldn't explore the ocean until we solve world hunger etc. There were people who protested the apollo moon mission because they felt it was a waste of money but those people have been proven utterly wrong with all the advancements we made because of what was a a small drop in the bucket of government spending.

On top of that I feel that we are settling for less by prioritizing one and then completely neglecting the other. I think we can explore the ocean and space. Technically we are already doing that. The problem is people want one beneficial approach to completely cannibalize the other such as Ocean exploration > space exploration when the money for both is readily available through proper government spending. If you want to explore the oceans, don't nip space exploration in the bud. Go after military spending.

There is also the interest element. Nothing will bring greatest minds and general public support like a mars mission. Nothing will motivate people intrinsically on the same level to become engineers, astronauts, scientists than a manned mission to mars and beyond. If you tell a kid about exploring the ocean vs getting strapped to a rocket and hurled out into space and then land on an asteroid or mars, hes gonna take astronaut over deep ocean diver any day. This extends to adults generally too.

in regards to europan life, we have the full right to study the life there and explore that moon and its ocean. The earth is our home, the solar system is our back yard.