Does know one realize this? Kamaru Usman is shaping up to be the GOAT

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Most GOAT candidates have problems with their case:

- Losses
- Steroid violations (Jones)
- Weak strength of schedule / fighting cans (Fedor, Jones)
- Not enough title defenses (DC. Khabib)
- Point fighting (GSP)
- Squeaking by with wins / close victories (GSP)
- Rapid decline in career in older age (Silva, Fedor)
- Retired too early (Khabib)

Kamarudeen so far has none of these issues.

If he gets past Khamzat, the division is pretty clear. He could easily string together 4 more defenses.

At that point he's the GOAT, undisputed.

Israel Adesanya was shaping up to be a GOAT, but then he kinda got son'd by a subpar LHW champ, which kind of sullies his case.

Kinda nuts, huh? Kamaru can be the GOAT if he plays his cards right. Weird to think about.

** GOAT fighter, Conor is undisputed GOAT prize fighter in the UFC.

 

[Royce's Gi]

Does know one realize this?

"know one"?

 

[STAY GOLD]

 

[Odoylerules4lyf]

Guy is amazing for sure. Unfortunately those unnecessary title rematches against Masvidal and Covington slowed his momentum.

 

[Goat St Pierre]

Yet GSP, Hendricks, Kos, Hughes, Shields would have all beaten him easily.

 

[Mammothman]

He isn't even on Khabib level yet.

 

[r-harper-1]

Most GOAT candidates have problems with their case:

- Losses
- Steroid violations (Jones)
- Weak strength of schedule / fighting cans (Fedor, Jones)
- Not enough title defenses (DC. Khabib)
- Point fighting (GSP)
- Squeaking by with wins / close victories (GSP)
- Rapid decline in career in older age (Silva, Fedor)
- Retired too early (Khabib)

Kamarudeen so far has none of these issues.

If he gets past Khamzat, the division is pretty clear. He could easily string together 4 more defenses.

At that point he's the GOAT, undisputed.

Israel Adesanya was shaping up to be a GOAT, but then he kinda got son'd by a subpar LHW champ, which kind of sullies his case.

Kinda nuts, huh? Kamaru can be the GOAT if he plays his cards right. Weird to think about.

Jones fighting cans ….. honestly fuck off ….. you don’t have a clue

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Yet GSP, Hendricks, Kos, Hughes, Shields would have all beaten him easily.

Can't compare pre/ post-USADA.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Jones fighting cans ….. honestly fuck off ….. you don’t have a clue

His greatest challenge was DC, and he roided for those, so those wins don't count.

Otherwise he beat a bunch of blown up middleweights on the downtrend of their careers.

 

[r-harper-1]

If anyone on your shitty list is a can crusher it’s Usman …..rematching journey men lol

 

[r-harper-1]

Can't compare pre/ post-USADA.

You probably can’t

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

He isn't even on Khabib level yet.

Khabib is out of GOAT convos due to early retirement. If he kept fighting, he would for sure be the front runner.

 

[r-harper-1]

His greatest challenge was DC, and he roided for those, so those wins don't count.

Otherwise he beat a bunch of blown up middleweights on the downtrend of their careers.

You don’t get to pick the goat criteria….. those wins count just fine imo ……

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

If anyone on your shitty list is a can crusher it’s Usman …..rematching journey men lol

He beat Colby, twice. That alone is a huge accomplishment. That's like Jones beating DC, or Fedor beat Cro Cop.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

You don’t get to pick the goat criteria….. those wins count just fine imo ……

We keep responding to eachother, maybe we should get a chatroom - you got AOL instant messenger?

Anyway, see my OP. A win tainted by steroid violations counts against you in GOAT convos. Sad truth.

 

[r-harper-1]

He beat Colby, twice. That alone is a huge accomplishment. That's like Jones beating DC, or Fedor beat Cro Cop.

According to who ? Colby best win is blowed up RDA ….is that what makes Colby special?

 

[Sonny Qc]

they called me a madman when I made that thread in May of 2019

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/usman-could-surpass-gsp-as-g-o-a-t.3922883/


They also laughed when I said Gane was the next big time at HW when he was only 2-0 in MMA.

Start listening to me god dammit, I predict these things.

 

[Shay Brennan]

Meh, fighting same guys over and over again.
Well at the very least he's finishing his opponents lately so that's good.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Guy is amazing for sure. Unfortunately those unnecessary title rematches against Masvidal and Covington slowed his momentum.

I think the Colby one was alright since Colby is the top contender and their first fight was amazing. The Jorge rematch though…. Yeah that was stupid. Jorge arguably didn’t deserve the first shot, let alone the rematch.

 

[Shaddows]

Most GOAT candidates have problems with their case:

- Losses
- Steroid violations (Jones)
- Weak strength of schedule / fighting cans (Fedor, Jones)
- Not enough title defenses (DC. Khabib)
- Point fighting (GSP)
- Squeaking by with wins / close victories (GSP)
- Rapid decline in career in older age (Silva, Fedor)
- Retired too early (Khabib)

Kamarudeen so far has none of these issues.

If he gets past Khamzat, the division is pretty clear. He could easily string together 4 more defenses.

At that point he's the GOAT, undisputed.

Israel Adesanya was shaping up to be a GOAT, but then he kinda got son'd by a subpar LHW champ, which kind of sullies his case.

Kinda nuts, huh? Kamaru can be the GOAT if he plays his cards right. Weird to think about.

Sorry, but that's just stupid.
You have against Fedor and Silva was their... decline?
Fedor was unbeaten for a decade. Has Usman done that?
Silva moved up, beat LHW's, beat most UFC records, highlight wins...
Israel did not lose in his division. Why do you take it as a negative against him, but the fact he (at least) tried is more than we got from Usman.

You don't know how Usman will decline. So how can you claim it will be better than Silva or Fedor?

I am not opposed from you calling him GOAT.
But your case... it just lacks any logic.