Media Championhip's clause, Antitrust Lawsuit & Ngannou

[Iroh]

So since a lot of people were wondering how Ngannou would get out of his contract if he won his fight, due to the championship's clause, I thought I would make a thread and post this vid. I'm still watching it myself, so hope it's good.



Update: Thought this might also have some interesting and relevant information. Haven't watched it yet and I realize it's not strictly about the lawsuit, but gotta assume it ties into it. I'll update with a bit of a description when I have watched the whole vid.

 

[Benoitthegr8]

Thank you for posting this Sherbro, getting edumicated and my TTH fix simultaneously

“Let’s do this shit”....

 

[Iroh]

RIP FrankieNYC

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Thanks for the link OP. It certainly sounds like the fighters have a good case that the UFC engaged in anti-competitive practices and had a monopsony on elite MMA talent thereby artificially keeping wages low.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

Inb4 the UFC shills come in here to shit on Francis

i’ll just leave this here

 

[HeDidn'tWantTheFight]

"Francis doesn't want the Jon Jones fight"

 

[wwkirk]

I'm pro-capitalist, but I can't see how any fair person could be opposed to the lawsuit. It's already had positive results as discussed in the video. And if the fighters succeed, fighters in general will have more leverage. And since no matter what happens the UFC will not go out of business, I don't see any downside.

Competition is actually part of the bedrock of classic capitalism.

 

[spinup]

I'm pro-capitalist, but I can't see how any fair person could be opposed to the lawsuit. It's already had positive results as discussed in the video. And if the fighters succeed, fighters in general will have more leverage. And since no matter what happens the UFC will not go out of business, I don't see any downside.

Competition is actually part of the bedrock of classic capitalism.

Yeah, the UFC situation is the total opposite of free market.

 

[Ozze]

I guess the biggest problem fighters will have is that the UFC has so many fighters that come and go that no one cares (like the Contender fighters), that they'll make it seem like overall, they are not so bad. Of course they try to fuck over the top fighters they don't want to lose, but no judge is gonna read thousand of contracts individually, they'll just go by those average numbers. "Our fighters remain in the UFC on average for 2 years.". "We let 50% of fighters leave before the contract is done.". And so on, so in the end is not gonna look that bad.

 

[Clifford_Harris]

Inb4 the UFC shills come in here to shit on Francis

i’ll just leave this here
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I don't think that's accurate. The NFL is at 48.5% and the NBA is at 50%

 

[markys00]

Inb4 the UFC shills come in here to shit on Francis

i’ll just leave this here
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U must not be smart

 

[markys00]

Yeah, the UFC situation is the total opposite of free market.

No. No it's not

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

We know why. His contract has an expiration date, unlike other many other contracts. So it'll expire in about a year.

 

[Mark McMichael]

Inb4 the UFC shills come in here to shit on Francis

i’ll just leave this here
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Unfortunately this is exactly the type of post that prompts that.

While I am not arguing the UFC could not pay more and arguably should those type of comparisons are not Apples to Apples and thus meaningful.

The UFC is a Promotion and is largely responsible for funding the expansion risk, at the top levels, in most new markets with a far less established and understood revenue base. Something that is not a factor for the Major League Sports who have rock solid predictable revenues and have most of the Major markets already locked up or well aware of the sport and desiring it.

 

[Mark McMichael]

So since a lot of people were wondering how Ngannou would get out of his contract if he won his fight, due to the championship's clause, I thought I would make a thread and post this vid. I'm still watching it myself, so hope it's good.

Great post TS.

Really enjoy the analysis and insights.

RIP FrankieNYC indeed. This type of post is a great tribute to him.

 

[Mark McMichael]

@Iroh

I would agree that if the UFC cannot get this dismissed they will likely move to settle it for some number and not risk the full $5B loss or to have a ruling further dictate rules re payment in their sport.

Such a settlement will likely make jon Fitch and the small group of fighters who brought the complaint as 'Lead Plaintiffs' really rich.

I think Lead Plaintiffs often get up to 25% of the award before the rest is divided up amongst everyone named.

That is why you often see Cell phone companies Class Actioned sued for something in the contract that might get millions of users $25 each back. It is not because all the users care about the $25 enough to sue. It is usually a law firm who discovered it and then 'seeks' Lead Plaintiffs to sue on behalf of, where the lead Plaintiffs then can get millions while everyone else gets $25 and the law firm gets a huge fee.

@Law Talkin’ Guy , might clarify what Lead Plaintiffs can get?

 

[greatsantini]

I'm pro-capitalist, but I can't see how any fair person could be opposed to the lawsuit. It's already had positive results as discussed in the video. And if the fighters succeed, fighters in general will have more leverage. And since no matter what happens the UFC will not go out of business, I don't see any downside.

Competition is actually part of the bedrock of classic capitalism.

Antitrust is pretty pro capitalist. It's goal it to make as competitive of market as possible.

 

[greatsantini]

I don't think that's accurate. The NFL is at 48.5% and the NBA is at 50%

I think that's either the "true" wage share when you include all the shit owners get excluded from revenue sharing or just athlete pay and excluding the benefits like pension payments to retired players that are part of the split.

 

[Sticko]

Ddffsy**6"$_$

@Iroh

I would agree that if the UFC cannot get this dismissed they will likely move to settle it for some number and not risk the full $5B loss or to have a ruling further dictate rules re payment in their sport.

Such a settlement will likely make jon Fitch and the small group of fighters who brought the complaint as 'Lead Plaintiffs' really rich.

I think Lead Plaintiffs often get up to 25% of the award before the rest is divided up amongst everyone named.

That is why you often see Cell phone companies Class Actioned sued for something in the contract that might get millions of users $25 each back. It is not because all the users care about the $25 enough to sue. It is usually a law firm who discovered it and then 'seeks' Lead Plaintiffs to sue on behalf of, where the lead Plaintiffs then can get millions while everyone else gets $25 and the law firm gets a huge fee.

@Law Talkin’ Guy , might clarify what Lead Plaintiffs can get?

The lead plaintiffs (or class representatives) definitely don't get 25% of the entire award in a class action.

The lawyers generally get a large chunk of the entire award but the class representatives either get the same thing as the rest of the class or they might get a small bonus (like $100k or less) for the extra work they put in. The entire award before being divided up between the lawyers and potentially thousands and thousands of class members could be hundreds of millions of dollars.

https://www.freeadvice.com/legal/how-much-do-lead-plaintiffs-get-in-class-action-lawsuits/

 

[2004 account]

Thanks for the thread, sherdog needs this