If Adesanya win the LHW title

[ehxsur]

is he already in the GOAT debate?

He cleaned his division at speed of light, he already have nothing to proove in MW.

His only bad note was his fight against Romero. But he won anyway.

For me, if he became double champ, defend at least once at LHW, and beat Jones at LHW or HW, he is the new undisputed GOAT.

 

[weaselkenievil]

It’s pretty hard not to put him in the conversation after that. Double champ is a huge achievement. Regardless of situation, who you fought, it puts you in the conversation.

 

[Straatblaffer]

Nah, not by a long shot. I think he defended twice now? To be a goat, you have to be a top fighter for 10 + years and defended a title a lot. There are many fighters with a better resume than Izzy,so no

 

[Mammothman]

The Vettori asterik is still right there

 

[Askren’s chin]

Nah he’d be an ATG at that point imo (which is nothing to laugh at) but he needs a few more defences or somehow nab the HW belt

 

[RockyLockridge]

He'd be right out side knocking on the door, one more defense of both titles lets him right in with a seat anywhere he likes.

 

[Ehdy_Garseah]

IA wins the LHW title, JJ comes back down to fight. IA retains the LHW, and JJ retires with an official loss, while IA becomes the new JJ and face of the UFC.

 

[kekiss]

Goat debates starts every time someone have good run in division, i for one think people needs to relax on that, he is still miles behind Andy achievement wise in MW , but he have all the right tools to get them. Double champ is becoming more of a gimmick now, and the guy who wins tittle in both divisions ends up leaving one anyway, and messing up original were he fought , Conor, GSP, TJ (koed by midget and caught juicing)

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

It’s pretty hard not to put him in the conversation after that. Double champ is a huge achievement. Regardless of situation, who you fought, it puts you in the conversation.

not really. i don't like how people put so much into being a double champ. in essence, all they have accomplished before they were double champ, was winning 1 more fight. now, if they win the title and defend it like 4-5 times then yes, but just winning another fight vs another fighter who isn't much bigger isn't that impressive.

not to mention there would be way more double champs had UFC allowed those things to happen before Conor.

 

[orca]

relax he only beat costa.

 

[jayo2k]

Nah, not by a long shot. I think he defended twice now? To be a goat, you have to be a top fighter for 10 + years and defended a title a lot. There are many fighters with a better resume than Izzy,so no

Yeah, there atre lot of fighters with a better resume than a 20-0 mediocre one

 

[Askren’s chin]

Goat debates starts every time someone have good run in division, i for one think people needs to relax on that, he is still miles behind Andy achievement wise in MW , but he have all the right tools to get them. Double champ is becoming more of a gimmick now, and the guy who wins tittle in both divisions ends up leaving one anyway, and messing up original were he fought , Conor, GSP, TJ (koed by midget and caught juicing)

I think the branding of champ champ is a gimmick but when discussing p4p best of all time being able to say you went up a division and took out the champ showing your abilities transfer against those bigger than you at the elite level scores a lot of points in the conversation of goat imo. I agree with it hurting divisions though, it should be made way harder to qualify (3+ defences at least before moving up would be okay imo) for a champ champ fight than it is now.

 

[weaselkenievil]

not really. i don't like how people put so much into being a double champ. in essence, all they have accomplished before they were double champ, was winning 1 more fight. now, if they win the title and defend it like 4-5 times then yes, but just winning another fight vs another fighter who isn't much bigger isn't that impressive.

not to mention there would be way more double champs had UFC allowed those things to happen before Conor.

Totally get that mate and agree. Discount Conor, he’s irrelevant in goat talk. Everyone else though, the people who got in that position and achieved something is hugely significant in my eyes. BJ Penn for example, deserves to be in the conversation.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Totally get that mate and agree. Discount Conor, he’s irrelevant in goat talk. Everyone else though, the people who got in that position and achieved something is hugely significant in my eyes. BJ Penn for example, deserves to be in the conversation.

i get that. but what about guys like DC? he's clearly not better than Jon Jones but he's a double champ compared to Jon. how would you rate them?

 

[JonJonesNeedle]

No, Jon Jones is the true LHW champ. Izzy knows it, Jan knows it, the fans know it, and the haters know it.

It would put Izzy in the same tier as Conor tho, moving up and winning the belt without fighting in the division first, and on top of that, the champ is probably not the best in the division.

I consider DC more of a true champ champ, he went up and fought the best in the HW division. But he got his ass kicked twice by Jones, so is he a true champ champ?

Not even gonna include WMMA

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Nah, not by a long shot. I think he defended twice now? To be a goat, you have to be a top fighter for 10 + years and defended a title a lot. There are many fighters with a better resume than Izzy,so no

I think too many focus on longevity to judge GOAT instead of just accomplishments and fighting ability when they are at their best/prime. You can be a top fighter for 10 years but if a fighter has better accomplishments and is viewed at as more skilled prime vs prime and did it all under 5 years I would still consider them the GOAT. Time in shouldn't be a major criteria in judging GOATs. It should be skillset and accomplishments.

 

[logistix]

You know, a bit off topic and certainly an unpopular opinion, but I didn't find the Romero fight boring. I thought Israel fought exactly like you should fight someone like Romero, he kept his distance and out stroke him little by little.

 

[Straatblaffer]

Yeah, there atre lot of fighters with a better resume than a 20-0 mediocre one

Sorry, I really dont care if a guy has 20-0 or 15-3. It's about who you fight. Izzy has 5 good wins now, Imo, he would be ranked under Barao for instance (if he stopped today)

 

[Beherit]

arguably lost to vettori, lost to romero, beating a 0.5 caliber fighter in a heavier weightclass doesn't mean shit.

 

[weaselkenievil]

i get that. but what about guys like DC? he's clearly not better than Jon Jones but he's a double champ compared to Jon. how would you rate them?

Again, fair point. This goat talk is all over the show, almost impossible to quantify and agree on. Jon Jones is clearly better than DC at LHW, but DC deserves to be in the conversation but he’ll never be the goat. Again it’s a bullshit conversation really, what I’m saying for goat you have a top ten and number one in our opinion, all I’m saying is DC ranks there. Like Izzy if he won at multiple weights. Ain’t the goat by a long stretch but that puts him in the conversation. I’m drunk, I may be rambling.