Nate Quarry Interview: Explains UFC lawsuit

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-Nate no longer a plaintiff, just a supporter now, his last bout is too old of a date for him to be eligible (statute of limitations is December 2010)
-Complaint is that the UFC was suppressing wages for all their fighters because of the monopoly they had on MMA, some years making 97 cents to every dollar made on MMA globally, which invalidated claims there is a free market in MMA
-Compared to boxing where they have the Ali Act, boxers earn ~85% of gross income, while UFC fighters get ~15-17%
-Ali Expansion Act would protect MMA fighters from unfair discrimination and favoritism, says process was slowed and died in committee because of Donald Trump who is friends with Dana, even though the bill was initially supported more by Republicans
-When Biden assumes office they plan to push the act and are hopeful it will go through
-Arguments that without the Ali Act the UFC can give the fans “what they want” are invalid, the UFC decides to push potential “stars” who most of the time fall flat on their face, argues it’s best to let the sport and fighters develop organically
-Says some press are afraid to cover this story because they want to be on good terms with Dana and be invited to UFC media events.
 
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I'm not that knowledgeable on the Ali Act or it's effects, but there's one thing I'm wary of. I always think about the "3P's." Pay, Protection, & Power:

  • People always talk about fighter Pay and compare it to ball athletes as if ball athletes aren't the most overpaid people in the world. A big issue is the discrepancy, which isn't exactly "problem solved" in boxing right now, so i don't know what that would fix. But fighters should be getting paid more in general. And they should be getting it based more on athletic merit than fan attendance, because paying fighters more off their promotion than skills only condition fighters to not train their ability more than their instagram, and quality will drop overall. Pool the attendance numbers like tips and give it out based on performance, but fighters should get a fuller percentage than they do now.
  • More pay makes sense mostly for fighters to be able to take care of or Protect themselves. Really, any athlete trades damage to their body for money, especially combat sports athletes, and healthcare would not only allow fighters to fight more, but longer. Add in the fact that their athletic window is much smaller than a standard career, and that's where retirement options, like a pension at the very least or free access to a financial planner, becomes important. I believe the Ali Act also was a big protection against the predatory nature of managers.
  • That possibly could have partly increased boxers Power. Specifically, contracting power. If there's one thing a fighter SHOULDN'T have, it's this. It's one of the bigger ruinations of boxing. It's part of why fights don't get made, or fighters padding their records, or even bigger problems, like champions contracting their opponents shoes, gloves, trunk height, and even weight. Fucking boxing champs were defending their belts at catchweight cuz they knew they could fight smaller. Now terms like, "tune-up fights" are commonplace among negotiations, instead of just fan perception and boxers care more about protecting their zeroes, than winning belts, because its so easy to become a bigger name than the belt in that sport. In boxing, just 3 losses is enough to make you look like a lost cause, while MMA has actual competition, so even the greats are expected to lose. This is an alleyway MMA does not need to follow boxing down.

In my opinion, "Pay" is an issue that, of course more is always better but, most of the issue is just moving it around. "Protection" is the issue that should see the MOST progress, but that may be benefited by a fighters union. And "Power" is an issue that fighters shouldn't have any more of, or even less of. We already have too much ability for fighters to pick their opponents. Ideally, if an organization booked fights that made sense, that have equal benefit to both fighters, then you shouldn't even know your opponent before saying yes. You should know the date and the worth a victory would bring, then say yes and learn the opponent so you can train for them. But that would also require trust in the organization's booking, which, let's be honest, no fighter should have in the UFC.
 
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Why before I even opened this thread already knew that Quarry would go on a Donald Trump rant
 
Why before I even opened this thread already knew that Quarry would go on a Donald Trump rant
I mean, this is partly a political problem. When your policies are less dependent on any pre-existing platform and more clearly based in nepotism, people start to view your actions for what they are.
 
I'm not that knowledgeable on the Ali Act or it's effects, but there's one thing I'm wary of. I always think about the "3P's." Pay, Protection, & Power:

  • People always talk about fighter Pay and compare it to ball athletes as if ball athletes aren't the most overpaid people in the world. A big issue is the discrepancy, which isn't exactly "problem solved" in boxing right now, so i don't know what that would fix. But fighters should be getting paid more in general. And they should be getting it based more on athletic merit than fan attendance, because paying fighters more off their promotion than skills only condition fighters to not train their ability more than their instagram, and quality will drop overall. Pool the attendance numbers like tips and give it out based on performance, but fighters should get a fuller percentage than they do now.

  • More pay makes sense mostly for fighters to be able to take care of or Protect themselves. Really, any athlete trades damage to their body for money, especially combat sports athletes, and healthcare would not only allow fighters to fight more, but longer. Add in the fact that their athletic window is much smaller than a standard career, and that's where retirement options, like a pension at the very least or free access to a financial planner, becomes important. I believe the Ali Act also was a big protection against the predatory nature of managers.

  • That possibly could have partly increased boxers Power. Specifically, contracting power. If there's one thing a fighter SHOULDN'T have, it's this. It's one of the bigger ruinations of boxing. It's part of why fights don't get made, or fighters padding their records, or even bigger problems, like champions contracting their opponents shoes, gloves, trunk height, and even weight. Fucking boxing champs were defending their belts at catchweight cuz they knew they could fight smaller.

In my opinion, "Pay" is an issue that, of course more is always better but, most of the issue is just moving it around. "Protection" is the issue that should see the MOST progress, but that may be benefited by a fighters union. And "Power" is an issue that fighters shouldn't have any more of, or even less of. We already have too much ability for fighters to pick their opponents. Ideally, if an organization booked fights that made sense, that have equal benefit to both fighters, then you shouldn't even know your opponent before saying yes. You should know the date and the worth a victory would bring, then say yes and learn the opponent so you can train for them. But that would also require trust in the organization's booking, which, let's be honest, no fighter should have in the UFC.
The main point of contention was that there is no free market, there are other monopolies like what the NFL has on football, but that is balanced out by having multiple competing teams within the organization, whereas individual fighters do not have that type of freedom. It may suck to give picky fighters more power but overall it is the best thing to do, they still have to adhere to UFC rule sets at the end of the day.
 
Nate is an idiot. Everyone knows the UFC is not like the boxing model. By the way, where’s boxing now? Look at the ridiculous shows they’re doing: Mayweather vs Paul, Old Tyson vs Old Roy Jones. Complete fucking joke.
Adding Acts, unions, and all that other shit just fragments the system and makes it more difficult to conduct business. Do you as a consumer actually think the price you pay for a PPV to go down if all that is implemented? You’d have to be the dumbest of the dumb to think so.

Don’t like the contract? Don’t fucking sign it. Go somewhere else to fight, start up your own organization, or find a different career.
 
I'm not that knowledgeable on the Ali Act or it's effects, but there's one thing I'm wary of. I always think about the "3P's." Pay, Protection, & Power:

  • People always talk about fighter Pay and compare it to ball athletes as if ball athletes aren't the most overpaid people in the world. A big issue is the discrepancy, which isn't exactly "problem solved" in boxing right now, so i don't know what that would fix. But fighters should be getting paid more in general. And they should be getting it based more on athletic merit than fan attendance, because paying fighters more off their promotion than skills only condition fighters to not train their ability more than their instagram, and quality will drop overall. Pool the attendance numbers like tips and give it out based on performance, but fighters should get a fuller percentage than they do now.
  • More pay makes sense mostly for fighters to be able to take care of or Protect themselves. Really, any athlete trades damage to their body for money, especially combat sports athletes, and healthcare would not only allow fighters to fight more, but longer. Add in the fact that their athletic window is much smaller than a standard career, and that's where retirement options, like a pension at the very least or free access to a financial planner, becomes important. I believe the Ali Act also was a big protection against the predatory nature of managers.
  • That possibly could have partly increased boxers Power. Specifically, contracting power. If there's one thing a fighter SHOULDN'T have, it's this. It's one of the bigger ruinations of boxing. It's part of why fights don't get made, or fighters padding their records, or even bigger problems, like champions contracting their opponents shoes, gloves, trunk height, and even weight. Fucking boxing champs were defending their belts at catchweight cuz they knew they could fight smaller. Now terms like, "tune-up fights" are commonplace among negotiations, instead of just fan perception and boxers care more about protecting their zeroes, than winning belts, because its so easy to become a bigger name than the belt in that sport. In boxing, just 3 losses is enough to make you look like a lost cause, while MMA has actual competition, so even the greats are expected to lose. This is an alleyway MMA does not need to follow boxing down.
In my opinion, "Pay" is an issue that, of course more is always better but, most of the issue is just moving it around. "Protection" is the issue that should see the MOST progress, but that may be benefited by a fighters union. And "Power" is an issue that fighters shouldn't have any more of, or even less of. We already have too much ability for fighters to pick their opponents. Ideally, if an organization booked fights that made sense, that have equal benefit to both fighters, then you shouldn't even know your opponent before saying yes. You should know the date and the worth a victory would bring, then say yes and learn the opponent so you can train for them. But that would also require trust in the organization's booking, which, let's be honest, no fighter should have in the UFC.


It's a nice sentiment that fighters should get paid based on merit rather than popularity, because it would be a great incentive for fighters to hone their skills, but there's not really a market for MMA that would work like that.

Smart post, and I think your take is pretty balanced overall. I agree fighters should be paid more and treated better, and I also agree that fighters having too much power can hurt the sport.
 
Nate is an idiot. Everyone knows the UFC is not like the boxing model. By the way, where’s boxing now? Look at the ridiculous shows they’re doing: Mayweather vs Paul, Old Tyson vs Old Roy Jones. Complete fucking joke.
Adding Acts, unions, and all that other shit just fragments the system and makes it more difficult to conduct business. Do you as a consumer actually think the price you pay for a PPV to go down if all that is implemented? You’d have to be the dumbest of the dumb to think so.

Don’t like the contract? Don’t fucking sign it. Go somewhere else to fight, start up your own organization, or find a different career.
Anthony Joshua is defending his belt tonight lol. Just because there are freak boxing fights people want to see, doesn't mean that's the only boxing people are watching. MMA wishes it could be popular enough for celebs to throw MMA fights. Instead we get CM Punk
 
I'm not that knowledgeable on the Ali Act or it's effects, but there's one thing I'm wary of. I always think about the "3P's." Pay, Protection, & Power:

  • People always talk about fighter Pay and compare it to ball athletes as if ball athletes aren't the most overpaid people in the world. A big issue is the discrepancy, which isn't exactly "problem solved" in boxing right now, so i don't know what that would fix. But fighters should be getting paid more in general. And they should be getting it based more on athletic merit than fan attendance, because paying fighters more off their promotion than skills only condition fighters to not train their ability more than their instagram, and quality will drop overall. Pool the attendance numbers like tips and give it out based on performance, but fighters should get a fuller percentage than they do now.
  • More pay makes sense mostly for fighters to be able to take care of or Protect themselves. Really, any athlete trades damage to their body for money, especially combat sports athletes, and healthcare would not only allow fighters to fight more, but longer. Add in the fact that their athletic window is much smaller than a standard career, and that's where retirement options, like a pension at the very least or free access to a financial planner, becomes important. I believe the Ali Act also was a big protection against the predatory nature of managers.
  • That possibly could have partly increased boxers Power. Specifically, contracting power. If there's one thing a fighter SHOULDN'T have, it's this. It's one of the bigger ruinations of boxing. It's part of why fights don't get made, or fighters padding their records, or even bigger problems, like champions contracting their opponents shoes, gloves, trunk height, and even weight. Fucking boxing champs were defending their belts at catchweight cuz they knew they could fight smaller. Now terms like, "tune-up fights" are commonplace among negotiations, instead of just fan perception and boxers care more about protecting their zeroes, than winning belts, because its so easy to become a bigger name than the belt in that sport. In boxing, just 3 losses is enough to make you look like a lost cause, while MMA has actual competition, so even the greats are expected to lose. This is an alleyway MMA does not need to follow boxing down.
In my opinion, "Pay" is an issue that, of course more is always better but, most of the issue is just moving it around. "Protection" is the issue that should see the MOST progress, but that may be benefited by a fighters union. And "Power" is an issue that fighters shouldn't have any more of, or even less of. We already have too much ability for fighters to pick their opponents. Ideally, if an organization booked fights that made sense, that have equal benefit to both fighters, then you shouldn't even know your opponent before saying yes. You should know the date and the worth a victory would bring, then say yes and learn the opponent so you can train for them. But that would also require trust in the organization's booking, which, let's be honest, no fighter should have in the UFC.
I don’t necessarily agree with all of your points (most, but not all), but I had to give you a like for a logically presented post. That’s all too rare around here.
 
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