Elections 26 FBI Informants Present on Jan 6

[LangfordBarrow]

I missed that part you highlighted, thanks! As for “Trump told them to [break into the Capitol],” that’s simply not true, so why take it that far?

Were the PBs and OKs ready to storm the Capitol? Do they have contacts with Trump Capos like Stone and Bannon? Have them and others from radical internet sites ready then direct tens of thousands from your precisely timed rally to show up and we end up with 1/6. Mob mentality will take over for some that will join the fray and the rest that just hung around were filler to make it mor3 difficult to control the crowd and respond to the situation.

 

[Cajun]

I just saw this part of the post, why would you disagree with that? The whole reason the protesters were there is because Trump called them there. He then directed them towards the Capitol and told that to fight like hell and that they wouldn't have a country anymore if Pence didn't come through and overturn the election.

You're not denying that Trump was the mastermind here right?

I thought you meant the fbi. Trump told them to rally... taking everything literally from your end. What could be the end result of a small amount relatively up against the military? It would be odd for him to say that literally like they could do anything to police... military etc. Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Cajun]

If that was the case, that Trump didn't have a rally and direct people there, it would have only been the CIs and PB/OK type groups and radicals that had bullhorns and weapon caches ready that would have shown up.

To what end? Fully on govt overthrow?

 

[Islam Imamate]

I thought you meant the fbi. Trump told them to rally... taking everything literally from your end. What could be the end result of a small amount relatively up against the military? It would be odd for him to say that literally like they could do anything to police... military etc. Doesn't make sense to me.

The end result would've been to pressure lawmakers into overturning the election like Trump wanted. Indeed the traitors succeeded in delaying the certification of the vote and if not for Pence's resolute conviction that the vote must go on who knows what could've happened?

To what end? Fully on govt overthrow?

Delay the certification of the vote and to pressure lawmakers into overturning it in favor of Trump. Trump lays out his whole plan in the speech before the insurrection.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

They were only there because Trump organized that protest and while Trump never told them in direct terms to break in, so that people like you can run interference for him later, he was absolutely delighted when they broke in and took three hours to tell them to go home after being begged and pleaded with by those around him.

At the end of the day they did accomplish what Trump wanted them to do which was delay the certification of the vote. The missing piece of the puzzle was Pence who refused to help Trump stay in power. That is the real story here, that a sitting president tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power and instead of his party holding him accountable they all lined up behind him to shield him from accountability.

They held him accountable for about a day until they realized the voting base still supported him. Hey, Kevin McCarthy, whereever you are, fuck you too...

 

[Cajun]

The end result would've been to pressure lawmakers into overturning the election like Trump wanted. Indeed the traitors succeeded in delaying the certification of the vote and if not for Pence's resolute conviction that the vote must go on who knows what could've happened?

Delay the certification of the vote and to pressure lawmakers into overturning it in favor of Trump. Trump lays out his whole plan in the speech before the insurrection.

There is just no way to do that. You mean take hostages? There was no winning position with that. Enough protesters not just at the capital but all of the US? Maybe... but the few relative to the population could do nothing. Once they invaded the capital it was a loss. Again, you would need support of police and military to apply that kind of pressure which doesn't happen here.

Even IF evidence comes to light that the FBI encouraged what happened it was still idiots thinking anything good will come of it.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I thought you meant the fbi. Trump told them to rally... taking everything literally from your end. What could be the end result of a small amount relatively up against the military? It would be odd for him to say that literally like they could do anything to police... military etc. Doesn't make sense to me.

There was no military there. The National Guard was never called in and it wasn't Pelosi's fault. Trump sat in the WH letting all this unfold until Congressmen were evacuated into hiding.

 

[Islam Imamate]

They held him accountable for about a day until they realized the voting base still supported him. Hey, Kevin McCarthy, whereever you are, fuck you too...

Is it even fair to say they held him accountable at all when they didn't vote to impeach him? Yeah they condemned the riot and said Trump was responsible but refused to take concrete action to hold him to account for it.

There is just no way to do that. You mean take hostages? There was no winning position with that. Enough protesters not just at the capital but all of the US? Maybe... but the few relative to the population could do nothing. Once they invaded the capital it was a loss. Again, you would need support of police and military to apply that kind of pressure which doesn't happen here.

There's no way to do what? Delay the certification of the vote? But they did do that, it was delayed by hours. And there were Congressmen willing to go along with Trump's scheme so there was no need for police or military support like you're musing about. The missing piece was Pence who refused to accept the fake electors Trump sent or send the matter to the House delegation as Trump wanted him to, either of which could've resulted in Trump staying in power or at least the triggering of a constitutional crisis.

Are you even aware that Trump organized a fraudulent slate of electors from seven states and sent them to the Capitol in the hopes that Pence would reject the legitimate electors for Biden and instead accept his fake ones? There is no need to speculate here, we know what his plan was.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

To what end? Fully on govt overthrow?

Bro, do you not know anything about the Fake Electors scheme, they wanted Pence to reject the legal ones and accept the fake ones that would give their electoral votes to Trump. Barring that they wanted to interrupt the certification so that it would be kicked back to State Legislatures to determine who won their electoral votes despite their citizens' votes.

 

[Cajun]

There was no military there. The National Guard was never called in and it wasn't Pelosi's fault. Trump sat in the WH letting all this unfold until Congressmen were evacuated into hiding.

Eventually that would happen... police... snipers... there is no way to pressure anyone in that scenario. You will be killed.

 

[Cajun]

Is it even fair to say they held him accountable at all when they didn't vote to impeach him? Yeah they condemned the riot and said Trump was responsible but refused to take concrete action to hold him to account for it.

There's no way to do what? Delay the certification of the vote? But they did do that, it was delayed by hours. And there were Congressmen willing to go along with Trump's scheme so there was no need for police or military support like you're musing about. The missing piece was Pence who refused to accept the fake electors Trump sent or send the matter to the House delegation as Trump wanted him to, either of which could've resulted in Trump staying in power or at least the triggering of a constitutional crisis.

Are you even aware that Trump organized a fraudulent slate of electors from seven states and sent them to the Capitol in the hopes that Pence would reject the legitimate electors for Biden and instead accept his fake ones? There is no need to speculate here, we know what his plan was.

Not by force.... sure if you disrupt for the day or even if you held hostages for a week.... it will not do anything but turn the public against you and ultimately you affect nothing.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

The end result would've been to pressure lawmakers into overturning the election like Trump wanted. Indeed the traitors succeeded in delaying the certification of the vote and if not for Pence's resolute conviction that the vote must go on who knows what could've happened?

Delay the certification of the vote and to pressure lawmakers into overturning it in favor of Trump. Trump lays out his whole plan in the speech before the insurrection.

Gave you the like but there was no need to pressure lawmakers after that point. Their scheme would work because they knew they had enough loyal State Legislatures to win the Electoral count. As much as we need to credit Pence for holding firm I think it was Pelosi that called everyone back to complete the Certification.

 

[koquerelle]

Your rabidly partisan as well.

I think he's one of the most balanced posters on here.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Bro, do you not know anything about the Fake Electors scheme, they wanted Pence to reject the legal ones and accept the fake ones that would give their electoral votes to Trump. Barring that they wanted to interrupt the certification so that it would be kicked back to State Legislatures to determine who won their electoral votes despite their citizens' votes.

IIRC it was to the House delegation which is a set of Congressional representatives, one from each state, who are to vote on the next president should there be dispute about the legitimacy of the state electors. At the time the Dems had a majority of the House but not a majority of the House delegation and so the hope was that kicking it to the House delegation could result in a Trump win.

Eventually that would happen... police... snipers... there is no way to pressure anyone in that scenario. You will be killed.

Why would Trump kill the people who helped him stay in power? He ran on pardoning these traitors and won.

Not by force.... sure if you disrupt for the day or even if you held hostages for a week.... it will not do anything but turn the public against you and ultimately you affect nothing.

I don't think you're following here. The plan wasn't to take Congress hostage, it was to get Congress to overturn the results of the election and specifically to have Pence throw out legitimate Biden electors in favor of his fake ones or to have Pence use the chaos as a pretense to send the matter to the House Delegation which was made up of one rep from each state and thus a slight GOP majority at the time.

Gave you the like but there was no need to pressure lawmakers after that point. Their scheme would work because they knew they had enough loyal State Legislatures to win the Electoral count. As much as we need to credit Pence for holding firm I think it was Pelosi that called everyone back to complete the Certification.

I don't think it was state legislatures but rather the House delegation which is made up of one Congressional rep from each state. Honestly I could be getting it wrong because we're getting into very nitty gritty constitutional procedure here. Its precisely this esoteric nature of the plot that allows Trumpers to either play ignorant about it or, in the case of the vast majority, legitimately be ignorant about it. I didn't know about most of this stuff until the wake of Jan 6th and even then only relatively recently.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Eventually that would happen... police... snipers... there is no way to pressure anyone in that scenario. You will be killed.

There was no pressure needed. An embarrassing amount of elected officials were willing to go along with this scheme to remain in power.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I think he's one of the most balanced posters on here.

 

[Islam Imamate]

There was no pressure needed. An embarrassing amount of elected officials were willing to go along with this scheme to remain in power.

Ted Cruz among them. Imagine your political opponent calls your wife ugly and instead of being a man and taking a stand you sell your soul out to him to the point that you'd betray the Republic to help him stay in office. What a worm of a human being Ted Cruz is.

 

[Cajun]

There was no pressure needed. An embarrassing amount of elected officials were willing to go along with this scheme to remain in power.

I disagree. Nothing positive would come of it. Just getting killed by military/police.... if anything it makes you look extreme. All of these topics have been discussed at nauseum. But ultimately there was no way to win with that approach.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

IIRC it was to the House delegation which is a set of Congressional representatives, one from each state, who are to vote on the next president should there be dispute about the legitimacy of the state electors. At the time the Dems had a majority of the House but not a majority of the House delegation and so the hope was that kicking it to the House delegation could result in a Trump win.

Why would Trump kill the people who helped him stay in power? He ran on pardoning these traitors and won.

I don't think you're following here. The plan wasn't to take Congress hostage, it was to get Congress to overturn the results of the election and specifically to have Pence throw out legitimate Biden electors in favor of his fake ones or to have Pence use the chaos as a pretense to send the matter to the House Delegation which was made up of one rep from each state and thus a slight GOP majority at the time.

I don't think it was state legislatures but rather the House delegation which is made up of one Congressional rep from each state. Honestly I could be getting it wrong because we're getting into very nitty gritty constitutional procedure here. Its precisely this esoteric nature of the plot that allows Trumpers to either play ignorant about it or, in the case of the vast majority, legitimately be ignorant about it. I didn't know about most of this stuff until the wake of Jan 6th and even then only relatively recently.

I stand corrected. Maybe it was the State Legislatures that chose the Fake Electors and then if Pence didn't go along with the scheme it was the delegation that would decide. I'm no Constitutional scholar but I did stay at a Holiday Express last night.

 

[Xanzito]

The point of the CT was to claim that the attackers were innocent. It was supposedly just the FBI starting shit. So it was looked into, and found that no, that is false. The only presence was a handful of informants on some of the gangs and others that went on their own. And then you freaks act like that is actually supporting your CT.

FBI investigated the FBI and found no foul play. More news at 11.