Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread: The Announcements

[kpt018]

I’m going on the record to say...

It’s way too fucking early to have a favorite.

 

[Shoemaker]

I’m on record as saying that if the Dems want win 2020 they need to run Arnold Schwarzenegger on a special one time ticket

Their best chance is to run a guy who’s ineligible?

 

[xcvbn]

Ah fuck not you too.

Don't act so surprised.

What the DNC did fractured the party. It's my one complaint of Bernie- he should have ran third party and forced the DNC's hand in removing the old corrupt leadership that's still there today.

Instead they're adapting and I eagerly await their plan for suppressing the Bernie movement a second time. It would be the final nail in the coffin of incrementalism and change from within the party.

 

[AlexDB9]

Their best chance is to run a guy who’s ineligible?

Hey I said a special one time ticket haha....when the party is so pro immigration, might as well get the GOAT immigrant to be your pick

 

[kpt018]

Don't act so surprised.

What the DNC did fractured the party. It's my one complaint of Bernie- he should have ran third party and forced the DNC's hand in removing the old corrupt leadership that's still there today.

Instead they're adapting and I eagerly await their plan for suppressing the Bernie movement a second time. It would be the final nail in the coffin of incrementalism and change from within the party.

I’m a little surprised. Generally I’m a fan of your posting. But to vote, or as you put it “campaign for Trump” if you don’t get your guy would be like burning your house down because you need a new roof.

The purity testing that only exists on the left could make a second term for Trump possible. If we are going to rail against Trump for corruption and incompetence we can’t vote for the fucking guy because your fav lost.

And just a side note, Bernie spent a huge part of his career as an independent or Democratic Socialist. I’m not sure the DNC owes him shit.

 

[Fugazy]

I’m a little surprised. Generally I’m a fan of your posting. But to vote, or as you put it “campaign for Trump” if you don’t get your guy would be like burning your house down because you need a new roof.

The purity testing that only exists on the left could make a second term for Trump possible. If we are going to rail against Trump for corruption and incompetence we can’t vote for the fucking guy because your fav lost.

And just a side note, Bernie spent a huge part of his career as an independent or Democratic Socialist. I’m not sure the DNC owes him shit.

Running a clean and fair operation is owed to everyone. Especially the voters.

 

[xcvbn]

I’m a little surprised. Generally I’m a fan of your posting. But to vote, or as you put it “campaign for Trump” if you don’t get your guy would be like burning your house down because you need a new roof.

The purity testing that only exists on the left could make a second term for Trump possible. If we are going to rail against Trump for corruption and incompetence we can’t vote for the fucking guy because your fav lost.

And just a side note, Bernie spent a huge part of his career as an independent or Democratic Socialist. I’m not sure the DNC owes him shit.

And I'm only here for Bernie, so what shit do I or any Sanders supporter owe them?

I would prefer more chaos(Trump 2020) over establishment status quo(Biden/Harris/Booker), because I think it more quickly gets us closer to real fundamental change. I'm of the opinion, and have been my entire adult life that started during the Great Recession, that it has to get worse before it gets better. Either we go further down slowly with the DNC establishment/corporatists or we go more quickly with Trumpism/evangelical right/neoconservativism/right-wing corporatists. I prefer to get it over with now while I'm young and we still have an inhabitable environment.

Except in the case of a true political phenomenon like Bernie(reminiscent of Perot and Nader), where we can have the change we want now before things get worse. I'm afraid we don't have another 20 years to wait for the next challenger to neoliberalism, endless war/nation building, state-sanctioned environmental destruction, enrichment of health insurance industry, and the impoverishment of the middle class.

It's now or never, so to speak.

 

[xcvbn]

Running a clean and fair operation is owed to everyone. Especially the voters.

How do you feel about the 2016 Trump campaign?

 

[Fugazy]

How do you feel about the 2016 Trump campaign?

I don't know. I voted for Bernie.

 

[kpt018]

And I'm only here for Bernie, so what shit do I or any Sanders supporter owe them?

I would prefer more chaos(Trump 2020) over establishment status quo(Biden/Harris/Booker), because I think it more quickly gets us closer to real fundamental change. I'm of the opinion, and have been my entire adult life that started during the Great Recession, that it has to get worse before it gets better. Either we go further down slowly with the DNC establishment/corporatists or we go more quickly with Trumpism/evangelical right/neoconservativism/right-wing corporatists. I prefer to get it over with now while I'm young and we still have an inhabitable environment.

Except in the case of a true political phenomenon like Bernie(reminiscent of Perot and Nader), where we can have the change we want now before things get worse. I'm afraid we don't have another 20 years to wait for the next challenger to neoliberalism, endless war/nation building, state-sanctioned environmental destruction, enrichment of health insurance industry, and the impoverishment of the middle class.

It's now or never, so to speak.

Why do you believe we need a disaster before we get real political change? And how do you define real political change?

And what do you mean by neoliberalism?

I think I need clarity before moving forward.

Edit: better question. Do you believe the cost of inflicting more suffering, damage to our politics, increase risk of war, inaction on climate change, etc. is a good price for reforming th D primary process? I’m sorry but it’s crazy.

 

[kpt018]

Running a clean and fair operation is owed to everyone. Especially the voters.

Agreed.

 

[Rematch]

I will campaign for Trump if the DNC fucks Bernie over again to support another corporatist.

Might as well start now then.

 

[kpt018]

@xcvbn the political damage of a second term of Trump is FAR greater than any damage done by the DNC effort to elect Hillary over Bernie. And that speaks nothing to policy differences between whatever D candidate is nominated and Trump are.

Elected Trump won’t get the reforms you seek (which appears to be the DNC shouldn’t back preferred candidates) and you’d have the disaster you described.

 

[abedm]

Bernie sanders

Someone should write a rap song for bernie sanders 2020

 

[Fluffernutter]

Boris Johnson

 

[Deleted member 457759]

The press starts ramping up? They never quit after the last election try to keep up.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Bernie sanders

Someone should write a rap song for bernie sanders 2020

Yes, because an old Jew is going to need a rap song written about him for black people to vote for him.

Great idea, whitey.

 

[Pelosi2020]

And I'm only here for Bernie, so what shit do I or any Sanders supporter owe them?

I would prefer more chaos(Trump 2020) over establishment status quo(Biden/Harris/Booker), because I think it more quickly gets us closer to real fundamental change. I'm of the opinion, and have been my entire adult life that started during the Great Recession, that it has to get worse before it gets better. Either we go further down slowly with the DNC establishment/corporatists or we go more quickly with Trumpism/evangelical right/neoconservativism/right-wing corporatists. I prefer to get it over with now while I'm young and we still have an inhabitable environment.

Except in the case of a true political phenomenon like Bernie(reminiscent of Perot and Nader), where we can have the change we want now before things get worse. I'm afraid we don't have another 20 years to wait for the next challenger to neoliberalism, endless war/nation building, state-sanctioned environmental destruction, enrichment of health insurance industry, and the impoverishment of the middle class.

It's now or never, so to speak.

The DNC is not going to let Bernie run. They gave him the change in super delegates as a concession and that’s it. The DNC learned their lesson and they very much realize that they are not the Democrat and Independents National Commitee.

 

[Daverisimo]

Bless your heart

I'm from the south guy.

Them's fightin' words

 

[xcvbn]

Why do you believe we need a disaster before we get real political change? And how do you define real political change?

And what do you mean by neoliberalism?

I think I need clarity before moving forward.

Edit: better question. Do you believe the cost of inflicting more suffering, damage to our politics, increase risk of war, inaction on climate change, etc. is a good price for reforming th D primary process? I’m sorry but it’s crazy.

ne·o-lib·er·al·ism
/ˌnēōˈlib(ə)r(ə)liz(ə)m/
noun
noun: neoliberalism

1. a modified form of liberalism tending to favor free-market capitalism.

Global capitalism/corporatism/reduction of workers' rights/NAFTA-like trade agreements/deregulation of banks/etc

The establishment DNC policies of incrementalism and bipartisanship may eventually get us onto solving our problems, but the speed at which that happens will result in decades of further societal decay. We don't have time for that shit.

I believe we've been suffering. ACA left 30,000,000 without health coverage all because Obama let the health insurance lobby write the damn thing.

Clinton literally advocated for war with her overthrow of Gaddafi and her support of a no fly zone in Syria.

Inaction on climate change is California Democrats inaction on SocalGas when their incompetence allowed the largest natural gas leak in US history take place just 2 years ago. No uproar. No consequences. But rest assured Jerry Brown's sister still collects her $250,000 "salary" from SoCalGas parent company Sempra Energy. More neoliberalism for you btw

You know what's crazy is this thought that establishment Democrats are somehow the good guys fighting the good fight. In some ways yeah they're much less destructive than Republicans, but certainly not in the way that they decieve good people into thinking they're leading allies in the fights against the many issues you raised. In that respect I'll take the people who clearly mark themselves as my enemy.

We desperately need a true left-wing party in this nation. We don't even need a third party candidate win as much as we just need them to move the DNC to the left. Something that even the popularity of Bernie Sanders combined with the unpopularity of Trump hasn't quite done. This is thanks to the complete stranglehold DNC establishment have on the party and the skill at which they operate.

So, yeah, as of right now and after what happened in 2016 I'll gladly take the nuclear option. I'm open to major concessions, though, but it has to be before the 2020 election not promised afterwards.