2017 Election Night in America (Virginia and NJ)

[Snake_Plissken]

CNN celebrating like Fedor fanboys celebrating the Ishii win. Lol

More like Jon jones wins

 

[goldennirvana]

As soon as you can demonstrate that it's being done intentionally.

The left constantly boasts about how the Democrats will never lose another election due to America's demographic change. Why are they so desperate for amnesty of illegals? Because it means more votes for them. Are you really this dense?

We have an open door policy here in America, and we allow 675,000 people from all over the world in, even still, that quota is further broken up by region.. so it's not like 675,000 Africans are coming every year.

Again, how does this debunk me? I never said only Africans are migrating to the USA. The largest group is Mexicans, but the rest are from other third world/developing nations and those migrants almost entirely vote Democrat. That's my main point here: who those immigrants are going to vote for.

I asked this question before and you ignored it, so I'll ask it again: Do you think Democrats would be in favour of mass immigration if all the immigrants coming into the USA were a load of white Orthodox Russian Christians, all voting Republican, moving the Republican party further to the right, and due to this mass migration, would make the Republican party an unstoppable force, winning election after election because of it?

Stop ignoring that.

People want to come to America still, despite you ignorance.

Babble. You really are totally out of options. Although what you said does raise a very vital question: why do all these non-white immigrants want to live in America if there's a 'system of white supremacy' which I'm told oppresses non-white people?

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[Rational Poster]

The left constantly boasts about how the Democrats will never lose another election due to America's demographic change. Why are they so desperate for amnesty of illegals? Because it means more votes for them. Are you really this dense?



Again, how does this debunk me? I never said only Africans are migrating to the USA. The largest group is Mexicans, but the rest are from other third world/developing nations and those migrants almost entirely vote Democrat. That's my main point here: who those immigrants are going to vote for.

I asked this question before and you ignored it, so I'll ask it again: Do you think Democrats would be in favour of mass immigration if all the immigrants coming into the USA were a load of white Orthodox Russian Christians, all voting Republican, moving the Republican party further to the right, and due to this mass migration, would make the Republican party an unstoppable force, winning election after election because of it?

Stop ignoring that.



Babble. You really are totally out of options. Although what you said does raise a very vital question: why do all these non-white immigrants want to live in America if there's a 'system of white supremacy' which I'm told oppresses non-white people?

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There is no mass immigration. You're hysterical over nothing still. Every country is treated the same. The immigration quota is .002% of our population annually. New immigrants are not even allowed to vote until they become citizens.

Annual Limits for Immigrant Visas

• The annual limit for total number of legal immigrants is 675,000. This is the maximum allotment of visa numbers per year, covering both foreign nationals who receive immigrant visas at consular offices abroad, and those who adjust status within the United States.
  • 675,000 is a "flexible" cap, with certain categories of immigrants exempted from the limit (for example, immediate relatives of U.S. Citizens and certain special immigrants)
  • The annual limit is divided into three main categories: family sponsored, employment-based, and diversity visa
  • 675,000 = 480,000 + 140,000 + 55,000 (see below)
• Family-sponsored annual limit: minimum 226,000, up to 480,000. The actual limit is calculated each year as 480,000 minus the total number of immediate relatives of U.S. citizens who became permanent residents in the previous fiscal year (as well as a few other groups), plus any unused employment preferences numbers in the preceding year. If the result comes out to be below 226,000, the annual limit will be set at 226,000, as required by law.
• Employment-based annual limit: minimum 140,000. The actual limit is calculated as 140,000 plus unused family-sponsored preferences in the previous fiscal year. For example, in 2005 there were 3,949 unused family sponsored visa numbers, so the 2006 employment preference limit was set to 143,949 (140,000 + 3,949). If nothing was left, the limit would be 140,000.
• Diversity visa (green card lottery) annual limit: 55,000, of which up to 5,000 will be made available for use under the NACARA program.
• Per-country cap: 7% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based preference limits. If the limits are 226,000 and 140,000, respectively, the per-country limit will be 25,620, which is 7% of (226,000 + 140,000). Furthermore, the per-country cap of 25,620 is divided into family-based limit (15,820) and employment-based limit (9800).
• Per-country cap for dependent areas/territories is 2% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based preference limits, i.e. 7320.
• Each preference class also has its own quota, and depending on allotment of visa numbers throughout the year, these limits may be adjusted accordingly (fall down, "fall up" or "fall across"). In addition, immigration bills (such as authorization to recapture unused visas) may temporarily change the caps for certain categories. Below are explanations provided by DOS' Visa Office:
• Family-sponsored:
  • Family-Sponsored First (F1): Unmarried Sons and Daughters of Citizens, 23,400 plus any unused numbers from F4
  • Family-Sponsored Second (F2): Spouses and Children, and Unmarried Sons and Daughters of Permanent Residents, 114,200, plus the number (if any) by which the worldwide family preference level exceeds 226,000, and any unused first preference numbers. F2 is further divided into two subcategories: For F2A (Spouses and Children), 77% of the overall second preference limitation, of which 75% are exempt from the per-country limit; for F2B (Unmarried Sons and Daughters): 23% of the overall second preference limitation.
  • Family-Sponsored Third (F3): Married Sons and Daughters of Citizens, 23,400, plus any numbers not required by F1 and F2.
  • Family-Sponsored Fourth (F4): Brothers and Sisters of Adult Citizens, 65,000, plus any numbers not required by F1, F2 and F3.
• Employment-based:
  • Employment Based First (EB1): Priority Workers, 28.6% of the worldwide employment-based preference level, plus any unused numbers from EB4 and EB5.
  • Employment Based Second (EB2): Members of the Professions Holding Advanced Degrees or Persons of Exceptional Ability, 28.6% of the worldwide employment-based preference level, plus any unused numbers from EB1.
  • Employment Based Third (EB3): Skilled Workers, Professionals, and Other Workers, 28.6% of the worldwide level, plus any numbers not required by EB1 and EB2, not more than 10,000 of which to "Other Workers".
  • Employment Based Fourth (EB4): Certain Special Immigrants, 7.1% of the worldwide level.
  • Employment Based Fifth (EB5): Employment Creation, 7.1% of the worldwide level, not less than 3,000 of which reserved for investors in a targeted rural or high-unemployment area, and 3,000 set aside for investors in regional centers.
• Immediate relatives of U.S. citizens: No limit.
• Refugees and asylees: Manually adjusted and exempt from preference and diversity limits.

 

[goldennirvana]

There is no mass immigration.

675,000 per year (not including illegals, who the Democrats want amnesty for) is mass immigration. Good god you're really fucking desperate now. lol

You're hysterical over nothing still.

Get yourself together. You still haven't debunked anything I've said.

Every country is treated the same.

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Annual Limits for Immigrant Visas

• The annual limit for total number of legal immigrants is 675,000. This is the maximum allotment of visa numbers per year, covering both foreign nationals who receive immigrant visas at consular offices abroad, and those who adjust status within the United States.
  • 675,000 is a "flexible" cap, with certain categories of immigrants exempted from the limit (for example, immediate relatives of U.S. Citizens and certain special immigrants)
  • The annual limit is divided into three main categories: family sponsored, employment-based, and diversity visa
  • 675,000 = 480,000 + 140,000 + 55,000 (see below)
• Family-sponsored annual limit: minimum 226,000, up to 480,000. The actual limit is calculated each year as 480,000 minus the total number of immediate relatives of U.S. citizens who became permanent residents in the previous fiscal year (as well as a few other groups), plus any unused employment preferences numbers in the preceding year. If the result comes out to be below 226,000, the annual limit will be set at 226,000, as required by law.
• Employment-based annual limit: minimum 140,000. The actual limit is calculated as 140,000 plus unused family-sponsored preferences in the previous fiscal year. For example, in 2005 there were 3,949 unused family sponsored visa numbers, so the 2006 employment preference limit was set to 143,949 (140,000 + 3,949). If nothing was left, the limit would be 140,000.
• Diversity visa (green card lottery) annual limit: 55,000, of which up to 5,000 will be made available for use under the NACARA program.
• Per-country cap: 7% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based preference limits. If the limits are 226,000 and 140,000, respectively, the per-country limit will be 25,620, which is 7% of (226,000 + 140,000). Furthermore, the per-country cap of 25,620 is divided into family-based limit (15,820) and employment-based limit (9800).
• Per-country cap for dependent areas/territories is 2% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based preference limits, i.e. 7320.
• Each preference class also has its own quota, and depending on allotment of visa numbers throughout the year, these limits may be adjusted accordingly (fall down, "fall up" or "fall across"). In addition, immigration bills (such as authorization to recapture unused visas) may temporarily change the caps for certain categories. Below are explanations provided by DOS' Visa Office:
• Family-sponsored:
  • Family-Sponsored First (F1): Unmarried Sons and Daughters of Citizens, 23,400 plus any unused numbers from F4
  • Family-Sponsored Second (F2): Spouses and Children, and Unmarried Sons and Daughters of Permanent Residents, 114,200, plus the number (if any) by which the worldwide family preference level exceeds 226,000, and any unused first preference numbers. F2 is further divided into two subcategories: For F2A (Spouses and Children), 77% of the overall second preference limitation, of which 75% are exempt from the per-country limit; for F2B (Unmarried Sons and Daughters): 23% of the overall second preference limitation.
  • Family-Sponsored Third (F3): Married Sons and Daughters of Citizens, 23,400, plus any numbers not required by F1 and F2.
  • Family-Sponsored Fourth (F4): Brothers and Sisters of Adult Citizens, 65,000, plus any numbers not required by F1, F2 and F3.
• Employment-based:
  • Employment Based First (EB1): Priority Workers, 28.6% of the worldwide employment-based preference level, plus any unused numbers from EB4 and EB5.
  • Employment Based Second (EB2): Members of the Professions Holding Advanced Degrees or Persons of Exceptional Ability, 28.6% of the worldwide employment-based preference level, plus any unused numbers from EB1.
  • Employment Based Third (EB3): Skilled Workers, Professionals, and Other Workers, 28.6% of the worldwide level, plus any numbers not required by EB1 and EB2, not more than 10,000 of which to "Other Workers".
  • Employment Based Fourth (EB4): Certain Special Immigrants, 7.1% of the worldwide level.
  • Employment Based Fifth (EB5): Employment Creation, 7.1% of the worldwide level, not less than 3,000 of which reserved for investors in a targeted rural or high-unemployment area, and 3,000 set aside for investors in regional centers.
• Immediate relatives of U.S. citizens: No limit.
• Refugees and asylees: Manually adjusted and exempt from preference and diversity limits.

Resorting to the wall of text of irrelevant info tactic now because you have no counter-argument. You're so transparent.

 

[Rational Poster]

675,000 per year (not including illegals, who the Democrats want amnesty for) is mass immigration. Good god you're really fucking desperate now. lol



Get yourself together. You still haven't debunked anything I've said.



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Resorting to the wall of text of irrelevant info tactic now because you have no counter-argument. You're so transparent.

There is nothing irrelevant about it, it's completely related to this discussion, you just don't want it to be true.

Immigrants can't even vote. The current immigration bill was signed in by Republicans.

 

[goldennirvana]

There is nothing irrelevant about it, it's completely related to this discussion, you just don't want it to be true.

There is a mass migration of third worlders (who vote Democrat) into the USA. That's why the left is so in favour of mass immigration, because it greatly benefits them in the voting booth. They're well aware of this, hence their constant boasting about how when whites become the minority in America, the Democrats will be set to win election after election.

Immigrants can't even vote.

They can if they become citizens. And the left is totally in favour of amnesty, so illegals become citizens, and can therefore vote.

Still ignoring this, I see: Do you think Democrats would be in favour of mass immigration if all the immigrants coming into the USA were a load of white Orthodox Russian Christians, all voting Republican, moving the Republican party further to the right, and due to this mass migration, would make the Republican party an unstoppable force, winning election after election because of it?

 

[Rational Poster]

There is a mass migration of third worlders (who vote Democrat) into the USA. That's why the left is so in favour of mass immigration, because it greatly benefits them in the voting booth. They're well aware of this, hence their constant boasting about how when whites become the minority in America, the Democrats will be set to win election after election.



They can if they become citizens. And the left is totally in favour of amnesty, so illegals become citizens, and can therefore vote.

Still ignoring this, I see: Do you think Democrats would be in favour of mass immigration if all the immigrants coming into the USA were a load of white Orthodox Russian Christians, all voting Republican, moving the Republican party further to the right, and due to this mass migration, would make the Republican party an unstoppable force, winning election after election because of it?

Do you have a source that all immigrants vote democrat?

I don't think democrats would care who comes here as long as they adhere to our immigration laws that were agreed upon by Congress and the President in 1990.

Many Russians already immigrate here annually, they're one of the larger groups.

Immigrants also can't vote till they're citizens, which is a long and arduous process that can take many years to complete. Illegals can't vote either.

One of the most moving ceremonies is all of America is watching new citizens be sworn in, no matter what country they're from.

 

[goldennirvana]

Do you have a source that all immigrants vote democrat?

The vast majority do. Just look at African-Americans and their voting pattern: at least 90% vote Democrat every election. Why would black immigrants to America be any different? With Mexican-Americans, it's around 65-70% that vote Democrat. Again, why would it be any different for Mexican immigrants? The only hispanic immigrant group I can think of that historically has voted Republican is Cubans, and that's because they've had a taste of leftism in Cuba and know what a disaster it is, so naturally they don't want more of it in the USA.

"The enormous flow of legal immigrants into the country — 29.5 million from 1980 to 2012 — has remade and continues to remake the nation's electorate in favor of the Democratic Party," concludes a new report from the Center for Immigration Studies, which opposes comprehensive reform proposals like the Senate "Gang of Eight" bill. "As the immigrant population has grown, Republican electoral prospects have dimmed, even after controlling for alternative explanations of GOP performance."

In the report, author James Gimpel, a University of Maryland professor, looks at the immigrants who have come to the United States in recent decades and those likely to come in the future. Through a lot of complicated statistical analysis and close reading of previous studies, he comes to the same conclusion as anyone who has looked through exit polls in the last 30 years: Immigrants tend to vote Democratic.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...crats-and-more-losses-for-gop/article/2547220

I don't think democrats would care who comes here as long as they adhere to our immigration laws and agreed upon by Congress and the President in 1990.

Then you're delusional. There's no way Democrats would be in favour of importing a load of Republican voters.

Many Russians already immigrate here annually, they're one of the largest groups.

Then why didn't they show up on the stats I posted?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

They're one of the largest... but they're not even in the top 10.

Immigrants also can't vote till they're citizens

... and so they become citizens, and then they vote. Is this really the best 'counter-argument' you can come up with? No wonder you spam those gifs so much.

which is a long and arduous process that can take many years to complete.

... yes... and this mass migration has been happening for a few decades now. So the immigrants who migrated to the USA 5 years ago will probably be able to vote now. Understand? Again, how is any of this drivel debunking me?

 

[Rational Poster]

The vast majority do. Just look at African-Americans and their voting pattern: at least 90% vote Democrat every election. Why would black immigrants to America be any different? With Mexican-Americans, it's around 65-70% that vote Democrat. Again, why would it be any different for Mexican immigrants? The only hispanic immigrant group I can think of that historically has voted Republican is Cubans, and that's because they've had a taste of leftism in Cuba and know what a disaster it is, so naturally they don't want more of it in the USA.

"The enormous flow of legal immigrants into the country — 29.5 million from 1980 to 2012 — has remade and continues to remake the nation's electorate in favor of the Democratic Party," concludes a new report from the Center for Immigration Studies, which opposes comprehensive reform proposals like the Senate "Gang of Eight" bill. "As the immigrant population has grown, Republican electoral prospects have dimmed, even after controlling for alternative explanations of GOP performance."

In the report, author James Gimpel, a University of Maryland professor, looks at the immigrants who have come to the United States in recent decades and those likely to come in the future. Through a lot of complicated statistical analysis and close reading of previous studies, he comes to the same conclusion as anyone who has looked through exit polls in the last 30 years: Immigrants tend to vote Democratic.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...crats-and-more-losses-for-gop/article/2547220



Then you're delusional. There's no way Democrats would be in favour of importing a load of Republican voters.



Then why didn't they show up on the stats I posted?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

They're one of the largest... but they're not even in the top 10.



... and so they become citizens, and then they vote. Is this really the best 'counter-argument' you can come up with? No wonder you spam those gifs so much.



... yes... and this mass migration has been happening for a few decades now. So the immigrants who migrated to the USA 5 years ago will probably be able to vote now. Understand? Again, how is any of this drivel debunking me?

There are about 400,00-500,000 Russians in the States,

Do you think the Germans all vote Democrat? Or the Koreans? or the Chinese? or the Indians? or the Filipinos? I know multiple Dominicans that voted for Trump. Cubans also supported Trump in large numbers. I think you're sorely underestimating the conservative nature of a lot of immigrants that come here while also greatly exaggerating the impact they have on the election.

I don't have to refute anything since your argument is entirely based on your own racist assumptions. These people aren't being imported to vote. They're coming here for opportunity based on that individual's free will.

I'm a Democrat and I don't care about your political leaning if you adhere to our immigration laws and want to come to our country.

 

[SaiWa]

There is a mass migration of third worlders (who vote Democrat) into the USA. That's why the left is so in favour of mass immigration, because it greatly benefits them in the voting booth. They're well aware of this, hence their constant boasting about how when whites become the minority in America, the Democrats will be set to win election after election.



They can if they become citizens. And the left is totally in favour of amnesty, so illegals become citizens, and can therefore vote.

Still ignoring this, I see: Do you think Democrats would be in favour of mass immigration if all the immigrants coming into the USA were a load of white Orthodox Russian Christians, all voting Republican, moving the Republican party further to the right, and due to this mass migration, would make the Republican party an unstoppable force, winning election after election because of it?

you do realize all of these immigrants (legal and illegal) cannot vote unless they become US citizens. For the legal immigrants, once they get their green cards they have to wait 3-5 years to be eligible to apply for citizenship. Then they are in a queue and wait till they are processed and granted citizenship. That shit takes up to 10+ years if not more. There are legal immigrants that have waited for 20 years and are still waiting. For illegal immigrants, as soon as they are made legal they go to the same queue and are at the very back of the line. They are ways around it (marrying someone may bump your priority) but its all the same. There is a very LOOOOONG waiting period.

That queue is growing and expanding in terms of size and wait time. There are efforts to shorten it but it will take a loooong time for the average immigrant to get his citizenship.

So what does this mean??? The average US citizen that was an immigrant had been living for the US for at least 10 years before being allowed to vote. That's before Obama era FYI. It will take a minimum of 10 years if not more for any immigrants that came under the Obama administration to become US citizen.

Republicans and Democrats have an equal chance of courting these immigrants before they become citizens. Contrary to popular belief most immigrants are conservative by nature. These people are in country where the main language most likely is different and any mistakes they make legally subjects them to deportation. The funny thing is if Republicans have a slight advantage in courting anyone who's religious (Jew, Islamic, Bhuddist, etc...) because of their collective conservative nature but they fuck that up because of that "Christians are holier than you and everyone else is going to hell" attitude and vibe. That doesn't represent every Republicans obviously but its the loudest. "Christians are welcome. Everyone else.. goto California or whatever..."

Dems are in favor of all immigration in general.

 

[Juventud]

<Lmaoo> Tucker Carlson is a bitch. Sounding like Rachel Maddow.



And some people on here actually watch him and take him seriously.

 

[goldennirvana]

There are about 400,00-500,000 Russians in the States,

And they have arrived in the USA over the space of DECADES. How many Russians arrive in the USA annually? They are nowhere near being one of the largest groups to migrate to the USA annually, and that's what we're discussing.

Do you think the Germans all vote Democrat?

There isn't a mass migration of Germans to the USA.

Or the Koreans? or the Chinese? or the Indians? or the Filipinos?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...are-diverse-but-unified-against-donald-trump/

So as you can see, Asian-Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

I know multiple Dominicans that voted for Trump.

Anecdotal. I know multiple Dominicans that voted for Clinton. See what I did there? The overwhelming majority of immigrants vote Democrat. That's just a fact. And it's why the Democrats are so in favour of mass immigration from developing/third world countries, because it benefits them greatly in the voting booth. That is my point in this entire debate and you have still yet to debunk it.

Cubans also supported Trump in large numbers.

You're seriously fucking dense. I literally just said this in the post you last responded to: The only hispanic immigrant group I can think of that historically has voted Republican is Cubans, and that's because they've had a taste of leftism in Cuba and know what a disaster it is, so naturally they don't want more of it in the USA.

I think you're sorely underestimating the conservative nature of a lot of immigrants that come here

They're socially conservative, but still vote Democrat, because the Democrats suck up to them and promise them lots of goodies. The same is true in Europe. Muslim immigrants, who are the most conservative people on the planet, almost entirely vote for left-wing parties (who ironically are pro-gay rights). This is because the left-wing in Europe suck up to Muslims and view them as a strong voter base that will always vote for them, especially if they're promised lots of nice goodies. This is why the left is SO defensive of Muslims/Islam. They don't want Muslims to reject the voting process and stay home... THEY WANT THOSE VOTES!

while also greatly exaggerating the impact they have on the election.

Then why do Democrats always boast about how they'll never lose another election in the future because of America's changing demographics? Immigration is a HUGE deal because it changes demographics, and as a result, changes American politics. This is just a fact and you STILL have yet to debunk it.

I don't have to refute anything since your argument is entirely based on your own racist assumptions.

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Which "racist assumptions" would they be?

These people are being imported to vote.

Essentially, yes. That's how the Democrats view them - as a weapon to defeat the right-wing, once and for all. That is why the modern left HATES democracy.

They're coming here for opportunity based on that individual's free will.

Of course. But why are the Democrats SO in favour of mass immigration from developing/third world countries? Why are they SO in favour of amnesty? Because those immigrants (and their children) are known to overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

I'm a Democrat and I don't care about your political leaning if you adhere to our immigration laws and want to come to our country.

That's great, but you're in the minority.

 

[Roaming East]

The Dems dont HAVE to suck up to immigrants. The GOP does a well enough job of making themselves look distasteful for that. Look at the Filipino numbers. Filipinos are intensely conservative and christian. Typical Republican red meat. But they suddenly shifted hard core to the DNC despite being majority GOP voters. its almost like being villified for being a brown foreigner, and having the party you most identify with, openly courting the racist vote, makes for hard bed fellows.

 

[Rational Poster]

And they have arrived in the USA over the space of DECADES. How many Russians arrive in the USA annually? They are nowhere near being one of the largest groups to migrate to the USA annually, and that's what we're discussing.



There isn't a mass migration of Germans to the USA.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...are-diverse-but-unified-against-donald-trump/

So as you can see, Asian-Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat.



Anecdotal. I know multiple Dominicans that voted for Clinton. See what I did there? The overwhelming majority of immigrants vote Democrat. That's just a fact. And it's why the Democrats are so in favour of mass immigration from developing/third world countries, because it benefits them greatly in the voting booth. That is my point in this entire debate and you have still yet to debunk it.



You're seriously fucking dense. I literally just said this in the post you last responded to: The only hispanic immigrant group I can think of that historically has voted Republican is Cubans, and that's because they've had a taste of leftism in Cuba and know what a disaster it is, so naturally they don't want more of it in the USA.



They're socially conservative, but still vote Democrat, because the Democrats suck up to them and promise them lots of goodies. The same is true in Europe. Muslim immigrants, who are the most conservative people on the planet, almost entirely vote for left-wing parties (who ironically are pro-gay rights). This is because the left-wing in Europe suck up to Muslims and view them as a strong voter base that will always vote for them, especially if they're promised lots of nice goodies. This is why the left is SO defensive of Muslims/Islam. They don't want Muslims to reject the voting process and stay home... THEY WANT THOSE VOTES!



Then why do Democrats always boast about how they'll never lose another election in the future because of America's changing demographics? Immigration is a HUGE deal because it changes demographics, and as a result, changes American politics. This is just a fact and you STILL have yet to debunk it.



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Which "racist assumptions" would they be?



Essentially, yes. That's how the Democrats view them - as a weapon to defeat the right-wing, once and for all. That is why the modern left HATES democracy.



Of course. But why are the Democrats SO in favour of mass immigration from developing/third world countries? Why are they SO in favour of amnesty? Because those immigrants (and their children) are known to overwhelmingly vote Democrat.



That's great, but you're in the minority.

All immigrant groups have arrived in the States over the space of decades, thanks to our immigration policy that limits every country equally.

There is no mass immigration, it's controlled and done fairly.

You keep talking about this boasting, like that matters. Individuals are free to make their own choices.

 

[goldennirvana]

you do realize all of these immigrants (legal and illegal) cannot vote unless they become US citizens.

Yes.

For the legal immigrants, once they get their green cards they have to wait 3-5 years to be eligible to apply for citizenship.

I know. And how does this debunk me?

Then they are in a queue and wait till they are processed and granted citizenship. That shit takes up to 10+ years if not more.

So immigrants who migrated to the USA 10 years ago will now be able to vote. You do realise this doesn't debunk my point, right?

There are legal immigrants that have waited for 20 years and are still waiting.

How many? Do you have any statistics? Don't just post a link and expect me to trawl though it. I want something I can read easily in a few minutes and no longer and it backs up your point.

For illegal immigrants, as soon as they are made legal they go to the same queue and are at the very back of the line. They are ways around it (marrying someone may bump your priority) but its all the same. There is a very LOOOOONG waiting period.

This doesn't debunk my point.

That queue is growing and expanding in terms of size and wait time. There are efforts to shorten it but it will take a loooong time for the average immigrant to get his citizenship.

So what does this mean??? The average US citizen that was an immigrant had been living for the US for at least 10 years before being allowed to vote. That's before Obama era FYI. It will take a minimum of 10 years if not more for any immigrants that came under the Obama administration to become US citizen.

Republicans and Democrats have an equal chance of courting these immigrants before they become citizens.

You're not debunking my point. Literally everything you've typed so far is irrelevant.

Contrary to popular belief most immigrants are conservative by nature.

Socially, yes. But they still overwhelmingly vote Democrat. And their children too.

"The enormous flow of legal immigrants into the country — 29.5 million from 1980 to 2012 — has remade and continues to remake the nation's electorate in favor of the Democratic Party," concludes a new report from the Center for Immigration Studies, which opposes comprehensive reform proposals like the Senate "Gang of Eight" bill. "As the immigrant population has grown, Republican electoral prospects have dimmed, even after controlling for alternative explanations of GOP performance."

In the report, author James Gimpel, a University of Maryland professor, looks at the immigrants who have come to the United States in recent decades and those likely to come in the future. Through a lot of complicated statistical analysis and close reading of previous studies, he comes to the same conclusion as anyone who has looked through exit polls in the last 30 years: Immigrants tend to vote Democratic.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...crats-and-more-losses-for-gop/article/2547220

These people are in country where the main language most likely is different and any mistakes they make legally subjects them to deportation. The funny thing is if Republicans have a slight advantage in courting anyone who's religious (Jew, Islamic, Bhuddist, etc...) because of their collective conservative nature but they fuck that up because of that "Christians are holier than you and everyone else is going to hell" attitude and vibe. That doesn't represent every Republicans obviously but its the loudest. "Christians are welcome. Everyone else.. goto California or whatever..."

Dems are in favor of all immigration in general.

Utterly irrelevant drivel.

Democrats are in favour of immigration because immigrants overwhelmingly vote Democrat. They would not be in favour of immigration if those immigrants overwhelmingly voted Republican.

 

[goldennirvana]

All immigrant groups have arrived in the States over the space of decades, thanks to our immigration policy that limits every country equally.

But Russians are nowhere near one of the largest groups to migrate to the USA annually today.

There is no mass immigration, it's controlled and done fairly.

????????????????

Just because it's controlled that doesn't mean it isn't a mass migration. Mass immigration just means a lot of people migrating. 675,000 people migrating legally every year is a lot, therefore it's mass migration. You are so comically stupid. Is English your first language? And "done fairly"? What does that mean in this context and how is it relevant?

You keep talking about this boasting, like that matters.

It matters because it proves the intent of Democrats. Their ideas are shit, so they're unable to persuade enough already existing Americans to vote for them, so instead they just support mass immigration of third worlders who overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Their boasting about their future unstoppable election dominance proves they hate democracy. They're against political & intellectual diversity, and want a monopolitical landscape. It's exactly the same in Europe.

Individuals are free to make their own choices.

Who said they aren't? How is this relevant?

 

[zebby23]

<Lmaoo> Tucker Carlson is a bitch. Sounding like Rachel Maddow.



And some people on here actually watch him and take him seriously.

haha this is hilarious... I agree, how people can actually watch him and act like he is providing you any real news or any real anything is beyond me. He was about to cry lol

This is the only video I have seen of him where I liked him for even 1 second

 

[Rod1]

The left constantly boasts about how the Democrats will never lose another election due to America's demographic change. Why are they so desperate for amnesty of illegals? Because it means more votes for them. Are you really this dense?.

America demographic change isnt necesarily about race, young people vote left too.

 

[Rod1]

Do you think Democrats would be in favour of mass immigration if all the immigrants coming into the USA were a load of white Orthodox Russian Christians, all voting Republican, moving the Republican party further to the right, and due to this mass migration, would make the Republican party an unstoppable force, winning election after election because of it?

Why do you think Orthodox Russians would vote republican?

 

[goldennirvana]

America demographic change isnt necesarily about race, young people vote left too.

In the long run, it's about race. The left knows this, which is why they're so in favour of mass immigration, because it helps them greatly in the voting booth.