Elections 2016 Presidential Election General Discussion

[in the]

paul ryan sending an urgent email saying they must not give clinton a blank check. i guess hes past worried of losing the presidential election and worried about losing the house and senate.

Will you link me to the video in your av?

 

[TheStruggle]

paul ryan sending an urgent email saying they must not give clinton a blank check. i guess hes past worried of losing the presidential election and worried about losing the house and senate.

Bullshit. He just wants to be the person signing the check

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

Compared to a woman who privatized her influence in a very high position of power within the government to act on behalf of foreign actors and governments?

I get it. Trump says and does stupid stuff. The entire debacle with Khan shows how flawed he is. But nothing he has said can ever match the sheer quantity of what Hillary has actually done. What she did should be considered treason, if the pattern of behavior (donating to the Clinton Foundation for a favorable government outcome) can be determined. And that's just the Clinton Foundation. Granted, it's on a whole different scale than the email scandal, but even the email scandal was on a whole different level than Trump being a thin-skinned meanie.

The comparison is that there is no comparison. There is zero chance Trump should be allowed anywhere near the White House or any office compared to basically anyone in fucking America.

Gary Johnson 2016, anyways. Vote 3rd party. Stop this two party nonsense.

 

[Joe]

Will you link me to the video in your av?

it starts around 5:30

Bullshit. He just wants to be the person signing the check

sounds like its every man for himself in this election.

 

[in the]

The comparison is that there is no comparison. There is zero chance Trump should be allowed anywhere near the White House or any office compared to basically anyone in fucking America.

Gary Johnson 2016, anyways. Vote 3rd party. Stop this two party nonsense.

There isn't a comparison in terms of experience in government. That is absolutely true.

There also isn't a comparison in terms of abusing government powers for personal benefit. That's even worse than being inexperienced. Obama was inexperienced but he wasn't this damn dirty. If Hillary did take foreign bribes for favorable government influence, there could hardly be a more treasonous act.

 

[in the]

it starts around 5:30

sounds like its every man for himself in this election.

lmfao. He soldiered on, though. Still funny.

I hope people sing that Billy Idol song to him out in public.

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

There isn't a comparison in terms of experience in government. That is absolutely true.

There also isn't a comparison in terms of abusing government powers for personal benefit. That's even worse than being inexperienced. Obama was inexperienced but he wasn't this damn dirty. If Hillary did take foreign bribes for favorable government influence, there could hardly be a more treasonous act.

No, not just inexperience. Gross personal defects and general character flaws that have shown up throughout his life.

I'm fine with saying #NeverHillary or whatever you want, but dude, we cannot have Donald Trump as President or anything close to it.

Another poster posted this http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html -- the important thing in this article has nothing to do with the businesses failing or not, it has to do with Trump's character and behavior leading to those failures and responding to those failures and we are seeing this EXACT person in this election. This isn't an attempt to defame or attack him, it's just talking about him honestly. Trump still hasn't learned even the most basic policy. He never will.

But this is a clear pattern.... it doesn't matter what I say, I won't need to explain anything in another month or so, Trump might not even be in the race. He will continue to be who he is and expose himself nationally. Unfortunately, the other candidate sucks too... vote 3rd party.

 

[TheComebackKid]

The comparison is that there is no comparison. There is zero chance Trump should be allowed anywhere near the White House or any office compared to basically anyone in fucking America.

Gary Johnson 2016, anyways. Vote 3rd party. Stop this two party nonsense.

If you really want to stop the 2 party system then you should probably elect Trump. If you vote 3rd party then Hillary wins. Trump fades away and the Republican establishment reasserts control over the party. Bernie's "revolution" becomes a footnote and the Democratic establishment continues to assert control. Tada...two party system back in control and stronger than ever.

Elect Trump and both parties continue to split and that would give you the best opportunity to add a viable 3rd party in future elections.

 

[Fawlty]

No, not just inexperience. Gross personal defects and general character flaws that have shown up throughout his life.

I'm fine with saying #NeverHillary or whatever you want, but dude, we cannot have Donald Trump as President or anything close to it.

Another poster posted this http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html -- the important thing in this article has nothing to do with the businesses failing or not, it has to do with Trump's character and behavior leading to those failures and responding to those failures and we are seeing this EXACT person in this election. This isn't an attempt to defame or attack him, it's just talking about him honestly. Trump still hasn't learned even the most basic policy. He never will.

But this is a clear pattern.... it doesn't matter what I say, I won't need to explain anything in another month or so, Trump might not even be in the race. He will continue to be who he is and expose himself nationally. Unfortunately, the other candidate sucks too... vote 3rd party.

People like you and a few others who lean right or center on a lot of issues have my respect for rejecting Trump in appropriately strong terms. For anybody who despises Hillary and would gladly take literally any sane republican, it's a tough but necessary pill to swallow. People who support Trump aren't fit to lick your guys' socks.

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

If you really want to stop the 2 party system then you should probably elect Trump. If you vote 3rd party then Hillary wins. Trump fades away and the Republican establishment reasserts control over the party. Bernie's "revolution" becomes a footnote and the Democratic establishment continues to assert control. Tada...two party system back in control and stronger than ever.

Elect Trump and both parties continue to split and that would give you the best opportunity to add a viable 3rd party in future elections.

Definitely not. That might not just destroy the 2 party system but the entire nation and I fucking live here.

People like you and a few others who lean right or center on a lot of issues have my respect for rejecting Trump in appropriately strong terms. For anybody who despises Hillary and would gladly take literally any sane republican, it's a tough but necessary pill to swallow. People who support Trump aren't fit to lick your guys' socks.

Thanks! It's so clear, I don't know how other people don't see that this is totally not an option. I think it's being revealed a little bit recently and will be more so as time goes on and Trump has no distractions for people to talk about and avoid his deficiencies. Watching the GOP debates, I was like, "How is Trump going to be on stage with only one other candidate and talk policy for 90 minutes? He'll have to really study, maybe he's smart enough to learn enough to talk about and he can win that way - this could be scary." But dude, he hasn't even TRIED to learn ANYTHING, lol!! It's actually a good thing because immediately I saw, this is a terrible candidate who people are just amused and fascinated by, mainly because system has been fucked for a while -- but we can't elect him. I thought he could pull it off, but he's so flawed -- he could have won this election if he could moderate himself at all, which is scary as fuck. Thank heavens Donald Trump can't be anything but Donald Trump or we'd be in trouble. His campaign manager... something leaked where he said that Trump, when he's not talking, is watching TV 24/7, watching news about himself, lol! He can't help but be petty and abrasive and manipulative and a liar and self-obsessed. Just totally unfit. Never seen anything like this.

Someone that calls into a reporter under the pretense of being someone else to talk about themselves is way too far gone to be in any office.... and that's like the smallest sign that we've gotten. Fortunately he can't help it and he'll continue to expose himself.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Definitely not. That might not just destroy the 2 party system but the entire nation and I fucking live here.

What exactly would destroy the entire nation?

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

What exactly would destroy the entire nation?

Do you not watch Trump speak? He doesn't know anything about anything. He just talks shit - which is amusing, it's funny, it's great, but YOU CAN'T BE PRESIDENT and have real power and be so narcissistic and delusional and controlling. I thought he could win this if he just took the time to learn any policy, but he still knows less than I do and I can't even fucking read well. He lies, exaggerates, gets offended at the smallest thing, cannot let personal grudges go, does anything to promote his name, only cares about himself... this person with real power, representing our nation... who knows what could happen. I have no idea what exactly it would be, but he won't even make it to the election I don't think. Just since the convention, he's totally imploded when he could have just not said anything and been much better off. He'll destroy himself by being himself before we get a chance to see, but I'm 100% sure this would be a total disaster.

The best possible outcome with a Trump presidency would be that the leak about offering Kasich control over domestic and foreign policy as VP is true and that someone other than Trump will be making all the decisions. I don't know anything about Mike Pence, he might have reprehensible policy choices, but he's not Trump. The problem is, even believing that, you have to believe that Trump has the self-restraint to let another person make decisions that he could possibly make, and I don't see that at all. He'll be threatening other countries, doing who knows what in no time. Putin or anyone, really, could manipulate him into making a total ass of himself and he'll want to start a war over it because HE'S FUCKING CRAZY.

Read this article or any other article about his personal behavior http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html

and I'm not accusing him of having businesses fail, any entrepreneur could and will have that happen, that's not the issue at all, but look at the pattern of character traits and he's shown himself to be this exact person throughout this election. No way can he have control over anything.

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html

and Trump himself leaked this audio recording. The only other person who had it said they lost it 15-20 years ago. THAT IS CRAZY.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Do you not watch Trump speak? He doesn't know anything about anything. He just talks shit - which is amusing, it's funny, it's great, but YOU CAN'T BE PRESIDENT and have real power and be so narcissistic and delusional and controlling. I thought he could win this if he just took the time to learn any policy, but he still knows less than I do and I can't even fucking read well. He lies, exaggerates, gets offended at the smallest thing, cannot let personal grudges go, does anything to promote his name, only cares about himself... this person with real power, representing our nation... who knows what could happen. I have no idea what exactly it would be, but he won't even make it to the election I don't think. Just since the convention, he's totally imploded when he could have just not said anything and been much better off. He'll destroy himself by being himself before we get a chance to see, but I'm 100% sure this would be a total disaster.

The best possible outcome with a Trump presidency would be that the leak about offering Kasich control over domestic and foreign policy as VP is true and that someone other than Trump will be making all the decisions. I don't know anything about Mike Pence, he might have reprehensible policy choices, but he's not Trump. The problem is, even believing that, you have to believe that Trump has the self-restraint to let another person make decisions that he could possibly make, and I don't see that at all. He'll be threatening other countries, doing who knows what in no time. Putin or anyone, really, could manipulate him into making a total ass of himself and he'll want to start a war over it because HE'S FUCKING CRAZY.

I see. Well I guess I just don't share that level of alarm. When you look at what the norm you see a destabilized middle east, terrorism everywhere, a terrible economy, 94 million people not in the workforce, $20 trillion in debt, wall street/bank/corporate stranglehold on our politicians, corruption to no end, a divided populace on every front...that is what "qualified" office holders like Barack Obama, George Bush, Hillary Clinton produced. Yet Trump is going to be the one to destroy the nation??

There are so many ways Trump could do better than them. However...I don't see where he could do much worse. The bar is already on the ground.

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

I see. Well I guess I just don't share that level of alarm. When you look at what the norm you see a destabilized middle east, terrorism everywhere, a terrible economy, $20 trillion in debt, wall street/bank/corporate stranglehold on our politicians, corruption to no end, a divided populace on every front...that is what "qualified" office holders like Barack Obama, George Bush, Hillary Clinton. Yet Trump is going to be the one to destroy the nation??

There are so many ways Trump could do better than them. However...I don't see where he could do much worse. The bar is already on the ground.

I'm totally with you on saying these people have fucked everything up so bad and that's why this even looks like a choice --- I feel you. Trust me. I'm not a party person at all and in 2012 I was trying to campaign against both Mitt Romney and Obama (I've actually been a pretty big Obama hater the whole time and looked at him as harshly as Bush for a long time). I'm certainly not a democrat, I've always leaned republican/libertarian, but, Trump scares the shit out of me because of his character, because of who he is. It looks like he MIGHT be able to do better if we just looked at his businesses or how good he is at generating media and self-promotion, but when you see that's ALL he can do and so many negative things come with that - no. It's not an option.

Honestly, I see this election as the culmination of all the terrible policies and the corruption from politics of my entire life (just turned 27 yesterday). These are terrible candidates. I'm not as worried anymore though since the convention because Trump has been revealing himself. I mean, he has been the whole time, but now it's becoming more clear. Hillary's potential health problems and character defects do scare me though, but Trump can't even pretend to be legitimate, he can't even try to fake it he's so caught up on himself - that's a problem. I'm glad though, because all the promises he's made are total nonsense and if you put together his promises... it's a jumbled mess that doesn't fit together at all. He can't even calculate being fake to win this election, and he could have won it. But I feel like it's already ending. Hillary might implode with her emails and stuff, but Trump, within a month, won't be viable in any polls, I think.

Just yesterday he repeated the same lie about the video he didn't see that his campaign has already refuted. His campaign is saying, "this isn't true, he never saw this, we retract this statement," and he's still saying it to get applause and because he can't talk about anything else. That's crazy. That's irresponsible. This person cannot have any power.

 

[m52nickerson]

If you really want to stop the 2 party system then you should probably elect Trump. If you vote 3rd party then Hillary wins. Trump fades away and the Republican establishment reasserts control over the party. Bernie's "revolution" becomes a footnote and the Democratic establishment continues to assert control. Tada...two party system back in control and stronger than ever.

Elect Trump and both parties continue to split and that would give you the best opportunity to add a viable 3rd party in future elections.

A Trump win would not split the Democratic party, meaning you only weaken the GOP even more.

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

Trump admits to lying about the tape.


Unfortunately this was probably smart and people will want to embrace him because of this. "Oh, see, he can change!" No he just realized his candidacy was about to totally crash and burn. I'm surprised and disappointed this happened. I hope he doesn't start acting any smarter because we've already seen the real Donald Trump, or I have, at least, and everyone else needs to see too.

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/0...ia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html?_r=1

I Ran the C.I.A. Now I’m Endorsing Hillary Clinton.

During a 33-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, I served presidents of both parties — three Republicans and three Democrats. I was at President George W. Bush’s side when we were attacked on Sept. 11; as deputy director of the agency, I was with President Obama when we killed Osama bin Laden in 2011.

I am neither a registered Democrat nor a registered Republican. In my 40 years of voting, I have pulled the lever for candidates of both parties. As a government official, I have always been silent about my preference for president.

No longer. On Nov. 8, I will vote for Hillary Clinton. Between now and then, I will do everything I can to ensure that she is elected as our 45th president.

Mr. Trump has no experience on national security. Even more important, the character traits he has exhibited during the primary season suggest he would be a poor, even dangerous, commander in chief.

These traits include his obvious need for self-aggrandizement, his overreaction to perceived slights, his tendency to make decisions based on intuition, his refusal to change his views based on new information, his routine carelessness with the facts, his unwillingness to listen to others and his lack of respect for the rule of law.

The dangers that flow from Mr. Trump’s character are not just risks that would emerge if he became president. It is already damaging our national security.

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was a career intelligence officer, trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them. That is exactly what he did early in the primaries. Mr. Putin played upon Mr. Trump’s vulnerabilities by complimenting him. He responded just as Mr. Putin had calculated.

Mr. Putin is a great leader, Mr. Trump says, ignoring that he has killed and jailed journalists and political opponents, has invaded two of his neighbors and is driving his economy to ruin. Mr. Trump has also taken policy positions consistent with Russian, not American, interests — endorsing Russian espionage against the United States, supporting Russia’s annexation of Crimea and giving a green light to a possible Russian invasion of the Baltic States.

In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.

 

[ucunc156]

paul ryan sending an urgent email saying they must not give clinton a blank check. i guess hes past worried of losing the presidential election and worried about losing the house and senate.

Thats what he's always been worried about. Hence the Pence pick. Ensure establishment, real social conservative to shore up turnout to the extent where he doesn't lose house and senate.

 

[saugeye killah]

WTF happened? He briefly held a lead after the GOP convention, got leapfrogged following the DNC, went on an absolute rampage of media blunders and inaccuracies.

It's almost hard to believe he even got nominated, and yet here we stand a couple weeks after he had a lead and the election looks all but lost. Hillary looks like someone who knows they've got this locked up and is just in cruise control now.