Elections 2016 Presidential Election General Discussion v3

[PolishHeadlock]

He definitely missed that counter opportunity. Her statement was laughable.

Also funny and sad that Holt thinks tax returns shows how "wealthy" a person is and how much, if any debt a person has.
Trump has already filed financial disclosure forms (lists assets, liabilities) with the Federal Election Commission, he should just release his personal tax returns already.

It could show some interesting things like let's say Trump owed some creditors $100,000 and they gave up on collecting the debt and instead deducted the expense from their taxes.

Trump would legally have to report $100,000 of income on his tax return because debt forgiveness is considered taxable income.

This could explain why Trump is always under audit. People are claiming things like this, Trump can't keep track of all the 1099s coming his way so the IRS comes in adjusts his filings accordingly since they have all the records.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Yeah, the proposal to incentivize profit sharing is pie in the sky. The only thing I could imagine to improve wages is lowering the retirement age, which has no political capital.

I created a thread a while ago asking how Trump would raise wages. There were no good answers.

There is an incentive to profit share under the tax code.

Companies that operate as 100% ESOPs (Employee Stock Ownership Plan) are not subject to corporate income tax. Instead the employees are taxed on the distributions when they receive them.

 

[My Spot]

FlapJawedF.

Come on now. Don't insult someone for being a marine.

It's wandiswar's latest account and part of his shtick. I wonder what he did this time.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Yeah, the proposal to incentivize profit sharing is pie in the sky. The only thing I could imagine to improve wages is lowering the retirement age, which has no political capital.

I created a thread a while ago asking how Trump would raise wages. There were no good answers.

Yeah, in all developed countries, long-term median wage growth is pretty similar. Different countries take very different approaches, but no one has found the magic bullet there. You can affect the distribution with fiscal policy (differently progressive taxes and spending programs). And note that across-the-board equal tax cuts or increases wouldn't affect people's after-tax wages at all, and tax cuts/increases that disproportionately affect one group or another necessarily redistributes to/away from that group.

 

[The Beevers Revenge]

He's unbalanced and thin-skinned. He is weak as fuck against terrorism IMO. He doesn't understand geopolitics.

Lol yeah because Hilary Clinton and Obama are so awesome at geopolitics. Bush did leave Obama a mess but a monkey could have guided the world to a better position than it is now.

 

[riddleofsteel]

It could show some interesting things like let's say Trump owed some creditors $100,000 and they gave up on collecting the debt and instead deducted the expense from their taxes.

Trump would legally have to report $100,000 of income on his tax return because debt forgiveness is considered taxable income.

This could explain why Trump is always under audit. People are claiming things like this, Trump can't keep track of all the 1099s coming his way so the IRS comes in adjusts his filings accordingly since they have all the records.

That would be if he personally didn't pay a debt.
Are we talking about him releasing his personal returns or returns for his corporations?

 

[riddleofsteel]

I heard on the radio that there is a presidential debate on today.

Can someone explain briefly how the greatest nation on earth and Free-est country in the world has only two options to vote in for the next president? I only ask because I don't really know how the system works.

You have a frail geriatric 68 year old woman who has social anxiety or sickness and is only there because she was married to a president in the 90s

And

A 70 year old propert tycoon who is rich and a somewhat comedic television personality who I legitimately thought entered politics as a joke.

How on earth did usa end up with not only 2 very poor and elderly candidates, but have no choice in changing them? Does it concern you that one of these two clowns will be running your country?!

Hey, we have at least 2 more choices!

Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson. He pledged to layoff his drug usage during his campaign and if he becomes president but from his recent interviews it seems he forget he said he would give up smoking and taking shrooms.

Green Party candidate Jill Stein. Police escorted her off the Hofstra University campus yesterday because she didn't have the proper credentials. She should have demanded a safe place.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

That would be if he personally didn't pay a debt.
Are we talking about him releasing his personal returns or returns for his corporations?

Personal.

 

[flapjackfred]

It's wandiswar's latest account and part of his shtick. I wonder what he did this time.

Somebody's salty from the that Tennessee comeback.

Florida = Trash football/state/people

 

[WhitebeltXL]

Brexit is a bad example unless you are suggesting that if Trump wins there will be a similar level of buyers remorse by those who voted for him

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...gret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html

To be honest, in regards to Brexit, there are literally countless polls done recently in the UK that give massively different pictures. More recent polls from this month suggest most are happy with the decision.

Most are against a second referendum, highlighted by the poor turnout for protest marches against leaving and any discussion about reversing the decision have all dropped like a lead balloon.

 

[bmasters1993]

Brexit is a bad example unless you are suggesting that if Trump wins there will be a similar level of buyers remorse by those who voted for him

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...gret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html

The Brexit buyers remorse bullshit is a storm in a teacup.

A single digit change in a poll conducted by a corporation with a vested interest in remaining in the EU counts as "buyers remorse".

Its straw clutching, and further proves my point that some people just can't accept that they are wrong

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Sure. Do you prefer sanctions to wars now?

How did you arrive at that? Are those the only 2 ways to settle settle FP issues?

No, there's a lot that we can do, and are pushing to do. You won't find support for your suggestion that we can't do anything from anyone but right-wing propagandists.

Sure there are things we can do, but can we do it big enough and soon enough to make a difference, and will that difference be significant enough to justify it? That is an unknown.

You didn't go into any detail. You invented a position, attributed to me, were corrected on it, and kept insisting that I hold the position that you made up. You have no coherent view on the issue--just that sanctions had bad results.

That's a lie and I did go into detail.

This doesn't even make sense. You're just phoning your trolling in now. "Jack said something that I don't like? Is he wrong? Oh, shit, no. I guess maybe I'll accuse him of team stuff again! Whew! Almost had to think for a second there."

Of course it makes sense. If a Democrat kills innocent people you rationalize it, if a Republican or foreign power does it they're bad guys.

Your morals are so out of whack. You lose your mind when people agree that a parent shouldn't be allowed to spend their TANF on tattoos and casinos, but shrug when our sanctions kill 500,000 children. Why? Because one idea is a repiblican's and the other was a democrat's.

 

[HereticBD]

Don Lemon:

"He called her 'Miss Piggy'. He called her 'Miss Housekeeping'...'


Odd how he doesn't offer the same "allegedly" disclaimer to Trump, that he goes out of his way to offer Clinton.

Fuck's sake. Please let Trump win so I can watch this guy's head explode Scanners style when it happens.

 

[BoxingFan123]

"To me it was embarrassing to watch that these are our two candidates. Both are proven liars. It almost seems like they're trying to debate who's less racist." -- San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick on presidential debate. http://nbcbay.com/i38H6J1

SJW's don't know how to react to this one.

 

[bmasters1993]

Don Lemon:

"He called her 'Miss Piggy'. He called her 'Miss Housekeeping'...'


Odd how he doesn't offer the same "allegedly" disclaimer to Trump, that he goes out of his way to offer Clinton.

Fuck's sake. Please let Trump win so I can watch this guy's head explode Scanners style when it happens.

The anticipated reaction from these arrogant asshats is undoubtably part of the appeal for voting Trump. I don't think these people realize that their condescension is alienating people from their point of view

 

[Jack V Savage]

How did you arrive at that? Are those the only 2 ways to settle settle FP issues?

So you support drones now?

Sure there are things we can do, but can we do it big enough and soon enough to make a difference, and will that difference be significant enough to justify it? That is an unknown.

Of course there are things we can do now. You seem to be under the impression that it's a binary issue.

That's a lie and I did go into detail.

Hmm. Can you quote me saying what you're asserting my position to be? If not, it would seem that it's you who is lying (what else is new?).

Of course it makes sense. If a Democrat kills innocent people you rationalize it, if a Republican or foreign power does it they're bad guys.

Any actual examples of this? No. The way this goes isn't I say X and you interpret X. It's you invent a position for me that I have never stated and then you "interpret" it. It's just a combination of your utter lack of basic decency and your humiliation when I didn't reciprocate your admiration for me and I shat on your hero (Ron Paul).

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

 

[Hans Gruber]

Reminds me a little of when my cousin Simon forced John MCClain to hold up a sign in a black neighborhood

White guy gets attacked for holding "All Lives Matter" sign

 

[Joe]

Trump at a campaign stop yesterday

 

[HereticBD]

Oh' look, bitch-made Bernie is on the campaign trail for Hillary.

Good boy, Bernie, good boy!

This motherfucker has about as much integrity as Ted Cruz.