Elections 2016 Presidential Election General Discussion v2

[Fedorable]

How many books do you read in a year?

It's not a judgement thing or a "I'm better than you" gimmick. I just sincerely want to know. You don't have to read Dostoevsky and Nietzsche to be eligible. Damn, if you read everything by Ann Coulter, I won't judge you: I'll put you in the "reading books regularly" team.

Of course, I have a premise: reading books, any book, stimulate the brain. If helps you organize the information and gain access to it rapidly. It also stimulates the love or writing, which is even better: it forces you to really dig into your brain, access long-time stocked information and mix it up with things you just heard, things you imagine and things that don't exist yet.

My hypothesis is simple: If reading and writing were common practice in the US, we wouldn't see what we're seeing in this Presidential race. If reading and writing were encouraged and hyped by the media as much as movies, shows and music, it would raise the overall level of discussion. It could even eradicate things like bigotry, misogyny, racism and immigration paranoia.

So just tell me Trump fans: how many books do you read in a year?

If a mod or a platinum could create a poll, it would be great. Just answer with a simple number if you don't want to engage in the discussion.
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PS: I rarely post in the War Room so be kind...

three or four a month?

you often hear that trump supporters are uneducated, but that is quite the opposite of people I know. First you have all of the BLM supporters--that is quite a dip in the educational level. I've heard people use that argument that weren't educated at all, plus I don't really care if you are a communications major that goes to ASU and you reads headlines. It comes down to critical thinking skills--but first you need a base of knowledge about the law and politics, etc....

 

[Joe]

Couldn't believe Trump was praising Putins approval ratings last night and Gary Johnson was openly admitting he had no idea "what" Aleppo is. I mean - is this real or just a sick joke? And yet Matt Lauer, who has no business hosting anything political btw, grilled HRC for nearly the entire 30 minutes on email use despite it being a forum to discuss veteran and foreign affairs.

The double standards are an embarrassment of the highest order.

How about asking actual policy questions and getting to the bottom on where candidates stand on current events and what the US' place is or should be in the world going forward.

Pence praised Putin for being a stronger leader in his country than Obama is in his country. I mean Putin has taken control of the media, jailed opponens, cracked down on gays and shrugging off political murders. He said trump is just like Reagan. I don't think Reagan would praise the president of Russia and wish the
US president was more like him

 

[HereticBD]

Has anyone seen any prove that Trump was against the invasion prior to invasion yet?

Just asking cause I can't find it. Even the transcript to the Cavuto interview that Trump claims he said it doesn't. He says something like invade or don't, make the decision.

He was a civilian at the time, and a passing "I guess" comment on the Howard fucking Stern show, being compared to an official signing off on the invasion, is DESPERATE on so many levels.

 

[Octavian]

Pence praised Putin for being a stronger leader in his country than Obama is in his country. I mean Putin has taken control of the media, jailed opponens, cracked down on gays and shrugging off political murders. He said trump is just like Reagan. I don't think Reagan would praise the president of Russia and wish the
US president was more like him

Reagan was no academic or policy expert either. His basic hook was ideological and it was smaller government and tax cuts.

 

[Diamond Jim]

He was a civilian at the time, and a passing "I guess" comment on the Howard fucking Stern show, being compared to an official signing off on the invasion, is DESPERATE on so many levels.

But he is selling to everyone he was correct in not supporting the invasion when as a very public civilian there is no evidence of this.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

He was a civilian at the time, and a passing "I guess" comment on the Howard fucking Stern show, being compared to an official signing off on the invasion, is DESPERATE on so many levels.

Repeatedly lying about opposing the invasion seems kinda desperate no?

 

[HereticBD]

Repeatedly lying about opposing the invasion seems kinda desperate no?

Actually, it's technically true, as his comment on The Howard Stern Show had absolutely zero impact on the decision to invade.

Unless you count a passing comment made on(I love typing this) THE HOWARD STERN SHOW, as an official record of supporting the war in Iraq, well good for you.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

Actually, it's technically true, as his comment on The Howard Stern Show, had absolutely zero impact on the decision to invade.

Unless you count a passing comment made on(I love typing this), THE HOWARD STERN SHOW as an official record of supporting the war in Iraq, well good for you. You're an idiot.

I don't really consider the comment on Stern to mean much either way. I'm just pointing out that he keeps lying about opposing the war. In reality he started opposing it once it turned into a clusterfuck. That didn't really take any balls or good judgement.

 

[HereticBD]

I don't really consider the comment on Stern to mean much either way.

Yet, you continue to act like it's the be all end all of his opinion on the Iraq war.

I'm just pointing out that he keeps lying about opposing the war. In reality he started opposing it once it turned into a clusterfuck. That didn't really take any balls or good judgement.

The comment wasn't even that definitively strong. He said "Yeah, I guess so. They should've got it right the first time though"

But again, this was coming from civilian Trump, whose opinion on the war was irrelevant at the time. He didn't have any power to do anything concerning the decision to invade Iraq. It's a very desperate play to equate his opinion he gave on the fly, to Hillary's official support.

 

[Joe]

trump wasnt going to stick his fucking neck out and oppose the war in iraq before it started. remember people who opposed the iraq war were called unamerican and did not support the troops by the right. trump opposed the iraq war in 2004. oh great. what a brave stance to oppose the war when half the american people did too and 100+ soldiers were dying a month

 

[K1levelgrappler]

Yet, you continue to act like it's the be all end all of his opinion on the Iraq war.

It gets brought up because it's the only recorded instance of him giving an opinion of the war, pre-invasion. Again, it wouldn't even be an issue if he didn't insist on lying about over and over.

The comment wasn't even that definitively strong. He said "Yeah, I guess so. They should've got it right the first time though"

But again, this was coming from civilian Trump, whose opinion on the war was irrelevant at the time. He didn't have any power to do anything concerning the decision to invade Iraq. It's a very desperate play to equate his opinion he gave on the fly, to Hillary's official support.

What civilian Trump said about it would be irrelevant if candidate Trump would stop fucking lying about it.

Hillary should rightfully get a lot of shit for her vote. Imagine if she was now claiming that she didn't vote for the war despite all available evidence to the contrary?

 

[K1levelgrappler]

trump wasnt going to stick his fucking neck out and oppose the war in iraq before it started. remember people who opposed the iraq war were called unamerican and did not support the troops by the right. trump opposed the iraq war in 2004. oh great. what a brave stance to oppose the war when half the american people did too and 100+ soldiers were dying a month

Do me a favor and re-post the comments Trump made on Libya before that conflict started. Heretic will love those I'm sure.

 

[HereticBD]

What civilian Trump said about it would be irrelevant if candidate Trump would stop fucking lying about it.

He's technically not lying about it though. He didn't officially support, or not support anything. His opinion meant nothing.

Hillary should rightfully get a lot of shit for her vote. Imagine if she was now claiming that she didn't vote for the war despite all available evidence to the contrary?

Here's my question. Why do you care?

If tomorrow, Trump admitted that once upon a time he gave an inconsequential opinion lightly supporting the Iraq war on a shock jock radio show, what would your reaction be? Respect? HA! You'd celebrate like you won some kind of prize, and then criticize him for flip-flopping. You only care for personal satisfaction, like a hack journalist who catches people on "gotcha" questions. The whole thing is completely irrelevant.

And again, equating his opinion to Hillary Clinton's official support, is as desperate as it gets. You want to know why Hillary Clinton can't deny it? Because it's officially on the record, as opposed to Trump's hard hitting political strategy questionnaire conducted by Howard Stern.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Anyone with an accounting / taxation / auditing background have an idea of why Schneiderman is not forcing the Clinton Foundation / Clinton Health Access Initiative to disclose specifc foriegn donors and their contributions. Charities operating in NY are required to do so, however CHAI has not done this and apparently the AG (Clinton friend) is not pushing them to do so.

There's also evidence of misfiling / faslefication between information provided on federal forms and those filed within NY regarding amount from foreign governments.

Pretty interesting article on this:

http://www.newsnet5.com/longform/ex...them-to-disclose-millions-from-foreign-donors

I know - I know -- but, but, but, trump

 

[EvilManny]

The executive branch has continually expanded its role and has almost unchecked power. I can't take the chance that Trump doesn't mean what he says. He has an impulse control problem.

 

[RockstarChris]

How many books do you read in a year?

It's not a judgement thing or a "I'm better than you" gimmick. I just sincerely want to know. You don't have to read Dostoevsky and Nietzsche to be eligible. Damn, if you read everything by Ann Coulter, I won't judge you: I'll put you in the "reading books regularly" team.

Of course, I have a premise: reading books, any book, stimulate the brain. If helps you organize the information and gain access to it rapidly. It also stimulates the love or writing, which is even better: it forces you to really dig into your brain, access long-time stocked information and mix it up with things you just heard, things you imagine and things that don't exist yet.

My hypothesis is simple: If reading and writing were common practice in the US, we wouldn't see what we're seeing in this Presidential race. If reading and writing were encouraged and hyped by the media as much as movies, shows and music, it would raise the overall level of discussion. It could even eradicate things like bigotry, misogyny, racism and immigration paranoia.

So just tell me Trump fans: how many books do you read in a year?

If a mod or a platinum could create a poll, it would be great. Just answer with a simple number if you don't want to engage in the discussion.
___________

PS: I rarely post in the War Room so be kind...

do you even audiobook bro?

 

[Metal_Daze]

three or four a month?

you often hear that trump supporters are uneducated, but that is quite the opposite of people I know. First you have all of the BLM supporters--that is quite a dip in the educational level. I've heard people use that argument that weren't educated at all, plus I don't really care if you are a communications major that goes to ASU and you reads headlines. It comes down to critical thinking skills--but first you need a base of knowledge about the law and politics, etc....

You make strong points. I must admit, I had some prejudice: I didn't think I'd meet as many Trump supporters I'd enjoy to debate and argue with. I was expecting more insults, callouts and "go back to your country" catchphrases.

I didn't focus on the "uneducated" side you're talking about but my point on having an open-mind is related for sure. But your critical thinking point is important: that's what I thought Trump supporters lacked the most. Quite frankly, it's hard for me to qualify someone who endorses "building a wall to keep dirty immigrants out" as a critical thinker. But following this thread has taught me that Tumpist are much more complex.

I still think some of them will disregard a lot of things because they support him unquestionably. That "Wall" idea might be single most idiotic idea ever proposed by a Presidential candidate. And don't get me started on forced deportation. Throwing illegals out? What if his brother, an American citizen, gets in your way and says "you're not touching my brother"? He's on his property, legally wielding weapons and preventing the police to enter and seize his brother.

Are you gonna trespass and kill the American citizen to protect him from his illegal immigrant brother? Think about it...

It. Does. Not. Make. Sense.

 

[Metal_Daze]

double

 

[nostradumbass]

And China and Mexico...

War with Mexico?

 

[Stoic1]

Vote Trump to de-escalate our showdown in Syria and the middle east. She is guaranteed to take it to a new level and go toe to toe with Russia.



...I feel like this is one of those posts I am going to bump in about a year and say, "I told you so"...