Elections 2016 Presidential Election General Discussion v2

[Deleted member 429137]

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[ehtheist]

edited for dickishness

Now I'm just curious...

 

[Deleted member 429137]

I think the ad would have been a lot more powerful if the victim spoke those words, rather than an unprovable quote. Its a pretty black character mark, whether she was doing her job or not. It won't play well with the public, and simply running the attack wouldn't work. He would have to have the balls to bring it up in a debate.

If the victim is genuinely trying to speak out about what happened to her, then I support the ad because she gets a voice.

If it's a complete fabrication for the sake of an attack ad then I think the ad's creators are complete pieces of shit because, at the end of the day, Hillary was doing her job and it would have been illegal for her to do anything else. (The recording of her speaking callously is a really bad look, though.)

I support giving the victim a voice more than I support Hillary.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Now I'm just curious...

I had typed something up like, "Don't worry, Jack. she gave me the same speech that the problem wasn't her typing nonsense, but now we're besties. You just have to wait for her to start a sensible thread and then she'll have to agree with you." but the "personal amusement to dickishness" ratio didn't leave me feeling good, so I deleted it.

 

[ehtheist]

I had typed something up like, "Don't worry, Jack. she gave me the same speech that the problem wasn't her typing nonsense, but now we're besties. You just have to wait for her to start a sensible thread and then she'll have to agree with you." but the "personal amusement to dickishness" ratio didn't leave me feeling good, so I deleted it.

Should take this deletion approach to more of your posts.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Understood. But the human psychology dictates for us to take into account the character of the person we are electing. We may know they are corrupt or screwing us, but we want to believe they are good people. We normally dont operate on a totally emotionally disconnected level, and saying "I was just doing my job" isn't going to be okay to the general public.

Yeah, but most people can understand the difference between "she screwed that person over because it was a legal requirement" and "he screwed those people over because he wanted to fleece them of their investments".

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Should take this deletion approach to more of your posts.

I do. I'm very careful about the personal amusement to dickishness ratio. It's a shame I get such a perverse pleasure out of ripping on you for your kneejerk inconsistent thoughts or we could have been besties much sooner.

 

[Jack V Savage]

If the victim is genuinely trying to speak out about what happened to her, then I support the ad because she gets a voice.

If it's a complete fabrication for the sake of an attack ad then I think the ad's creators are complete pieces of shit because, at the end of the day, Hillary was doing her job and it would have been illegal for her to do anything else. (The recording of her speaking callously is a really bad look, though.)

I support giving the victim a voice more than I support Hillary.

There's a lot of info on the case on Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/

 

[ehtheist]

I do. I'm very careful about the personal amusement to dickishness ratio. It's a shame I get such a perverse pleasure out of ripping on you for your kneejerk inconsistent thoughts or we could have been besties much sooner.

Inconsistent thoughts?... How do you know what my thoughts are? Which ones are inconsistent?

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Inconsistent thoughts?... How do you know what my thoughts are? Which ones are inconsistent?

Shhh... shhhh.... we're besties now. Don't bring up the past.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

There's a lot of info on the case on Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/

thanks for the link

 

[Jack V Savage]

thanks for the link

It's one of those things that comes up a lot, and I'm frequently disappointed with the ethics around it. I mean, I get that people have different philosophical outlooks, policy preferences, and even cultural allegiances, but for God's sake, it's not OK to lie about people because of it.

 

[ucunc156]

Yeah, but most people can understand the difference between "she screwed that person over because it was a legal requirement" and "he screwed those people over because he wanted to fleece them of their investments".

Oh I'm not saying this would get me to vote trump. But its another hole, that a semi competent republican could have used and helped their cause. I'm just commenting on how it will play, in isolation, to the general public.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Oh I'm not saying this would get me to vote trump. But its another hole, that a semi competent republican could have used and helped their cause. I'm just commenting on how it will play, in isolation, to the general public.

Ah, I get it. Yeah, I have to agree with you 100%.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

IInteresting read on why Trump might not be releasing his tax returns (besides thet fac that he's lying about being a billionaire)

http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-cuban-donald-trump-tax-returns-2016-8

Billionaire business mogul Mark Cuban explained in a series of tweets on Wednesday why he thinks Republican nominee Donald Trump "won't and can't release his tax returns."

Cuban, the owner of the NBA's Dallas Mavericks and a star of ABC's "Shark Tank," used a 2013 deposition from Trump — uploaded by The Washington Post as a part of its "Trump Revealed" project — to make his point.

In that deposition, Trump said in response to a question about the development of Trump properties in Las Vegas and Chicago that he set up single-use subchapter S corporations to develop projects. He said he did not use the Trump Organization for those types of projects.

As Cuban pointed out, with an S-corporation, "the entire financial performance of his company becomes part of his tax return."

According to the Internal Revenue Service, S-corporation shareholders must "report the flow-through of income and losses on their personal tax returns and are assessed tax at their individual income tax rates." And S-corporations are responsible "for tax on certain built-in gains and passive income at the entity level."

"His personal tax returns would show the financial performance of his development projects," Cuban wrote. "Not good given how much he gets sued."

"It may also explain why reducing pass-through taxes is important to him," he continued. "I say 'may' because taxes are only paid if he makes a profit."

 

[Lead]

I don't get why Cuban has become interested recently with politics. For a small time, he seemed open to trumps run but now he's gone full out against it. I really don't think he'd want to try to run himself

 

[Deleted member 429137]

IInteresting read on why Trump might not be releasing his tax returns (besides thet fac that he's lying about being a billionaire)

http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-cuban-donald-trump-tax-returns-2016-8

Billionaire business mogul Mark Cuban explained in a series of tweets on Wednesday why he thinks Republican nominee Donald Trump "won't and can't release his tax returns."

Cuban, the owner of the NBA's Dallas Mavericks and a star of ABC's "Shark Tank," used a 2013 deposition from Trump — uploaded by The Washington Post as a part of its "Trump Revealed" project — to make his point.

In that deposition, Trump said in response to a question about the development of Trump properties in Las Vegas and Chicago that he set up single-use subchapter S corporations to develop projects. He said he did not use the Trump Organization for those types of projects.

As Cuban pointed out, with an S-corporation, "the entire financial performance of his company becomes part of his tax return."

According to the Internal Revenue Service, S-corporation shareholders must "report the flow-through of income and losses on their personal tax returns and are assessed tax at their individual income tax rates." And S-corporations are responsible "for tax on certain built-in gains and passive income at the entity level."

"His personal tax returns would show the financial performance of his development projects," Cuban wrote. "Not good given how much he gets sued."

"It may also explain why reducing pass-through taxes is important to him," he continued. "I say 'may' because taxes are only paid if he makes a profit."

Mark Cuban somehow continually pops up to offer insight into things that interest me. Like when he purchased UFC debt and started talking about their hidden financials. And now insight into Trump. I like Mark Cuban. And i never even heard of him before Bodog.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

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[Jack V Savage]

I don't get why Cuban has become interested recently with politics. For a small time, he seemed open to trumps run but now he's gone full out against it. I really don't think he'd want to try to run himself

I don't think he's super interested in politics in general; he just doesn't think highly of Trump and has more insight into him than other people.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

I don't think he's super interested in politics in general; he just doesn't think highly of Trump and has more insight into him than other people.

I heard Cuban make an interesting point , he pointed out that Trump seems to have few if any freinds or business associates supporting his campaign .

He mentions "freinds " often of course but never by name , like this

“Another great friend of mine, one of the most brilliant men you will ever meet, a phenomenal world class poker player, you wouldn’t even know it, he doesn’t do that for a living, he makes money for a living in every way. You cannot make a deal with this guy and come out on top, it’s impossible. In fact, I’m thinking about him for China, how about him negotiating with China, OK?” (Des Moines, Iowa, Jan. 28, 2016)
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ends_wholeheartedly_support_his_policies.html

I guess thats you end up with Scott Bayo at your convention

 

[M3t4tr0n]

I heard Cuban make an interesting point , he pointed out that Trump seems to have few if any freinds or business associates supporting his campaign .

He mentions "freinds " often of course but never by name , like this

“Another great friend of mine, one of the most brilliant men you will ever meet, a phenomenal world class poker player, you wouldn’t even know it, he doesn’t do that for a living, he makes money for a living in every way. You cannot make a deal with this guy and come out on top, it’s impossible. In fact, I’m thinking about him for China, how about him negotiating with China, OK?” (Des Moines, Iowa, Jan. 28, 2016)
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ends_wholeheartedly_support_his_policies.html

I guess thats you end up with Scott Bayo at your convention

What are you talking about? Trump has the best friends! Here's a tremendous list of them. Phenomenal!

Putin, Gruccifer, Chris Christie, David Duke, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Space, TCK, all the posters at Stormfront etc etc etc