2014 FIFA World Cup thread, v1

[Lustercross]

POWERFUL: Anti-FIFA graffiti is appearing all over the country of Brazil. What they don't want you to see.

Did the World Cup cause the poverty in Brazil? I was under the assumption that it has always been like that.

 

[Corona]

Lol Brazil has always been poor. I bet the majority of people are stoked to have the World Cup there too.

 

[LEWIS540]

Did the World Cup cause the poverty in Brazil? I was under the assumption that it has always been like that.

Lol Brazil has always been poor. I bet the majority of people are stoked to have the World Cup there too.

You are missing the point.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Exactly. Surely people are familiar with the concept of spending beyond your means, right? I mean, I hear endlessly moaning about the poor buying luxury cars and clothes.

This is a similar situation. Brazil has bigger needs, but they're spending billions on a soccer tournament. Yeah, the infrastructure will stay but it's costing so much it's not worth it.

 

[thebluerider]

it's gonna be interesting

 

[GracieMMABarra]

Lol Brazil has always been poor. I bet the majority of people are stoked to have the World Cup there too.

Expect Brasil is anything but poor.

Now allocation of money, expenditure, and resources is a different story.

 

[Corona]

Expect Brasil is anything but poor.

Now allocation of money, expenditure, and resources is a different story.

So why are they blaming FIFA then? Not fifas fault their country is corrupt.

 

[Lustercross]

So why are they blaming FIFA then? Not fifas fault their country is corrupt.

Exactly. It's ridiculous that fifa is getting crapped on. Do something to change your government if it bothers you so much.

 

[DangDaGawd]

Did the World Cup cause the poverty in Brazil? I was under the assumption that it has always been like that.

That's seriously all you can get out of the situation? I feel bad for you, if so.

 

[DangDaGawd]

So why are they blaming FIFA then? Not fifas fault their country is corrupt.

Because Fifa is causing Brazil to use their tax dollars to build stadiums and facilities for the World Cup when they have a massive poverty problem (among other social problems that need attention). Notice how Fifa is only choosing countries that need a ton of development in order to host the World Cup so they can embezzle tax dollars. South Africa, Brazil, Qatar, Russia. It's bullshit. Why not give it to a country that doesn't need billions of dollars in development in order to host it?

 

[Nowhere Fast]

So why are they blaming FIFA then? Not fifas fault their country is corrupt.

Because Fifa are corrupt as hell as well. Brazil was not equipped to host a WC and has probably spent a stupid amount of money on renovations, all of which will be utterly useless once the WC has ended.

It's all a bunch of crooks lining each others pockets.

Edit: Just read Santi's post, he puts it much more eloquently.

 

[Corona]

That makes sense but I don't see what FIFA has to gain by taking the wc to poor countries. I wouldn't be surprised if some rich brazilcans bribed the committee into voting for Brazil. Similar to what happened with Qatar. But really why is Brazil even lobbying to host world shit in their current state? Don't they have the next Olympics too?

 

[DangDaGawd]

This is why you see these signs:

South Africa's government and local authorities have spent more than $5 billion on a World Cup that will leave the developing country billions of dollars in debt and wrestling with a moral question that could loom over the nation for decades.

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South Africa's debt will not, however, be shared by FIFA, soccer's global governing body. FIFA has already made $3.3 billion on the World Cup through television rights fees, merchandising, and financial guarantees from the South African organizing committee.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/cup-253919-world-south.html

Fifa screws these countries into thinking the World Cup will help them develop when it doesn't. It just makes Fifa a ton of money and leaves the countries in worse shape than they were before.

 

[DangDaGawd]

That makes sense but I don't see what FIFA has to gain by taking the wc to poor countries. I wouldn't be surprised if some rich brazilcans bribed the committee into voting for Brazil. Similar to what happened with Qatar. But really why is Brazil even lobbying to host world shit in their current state? Don't they have the next Olympics too?

Developing country's economies have less oversight and regulation typically than developed countries so it's easier for Fifa to take a cut of the development money.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Blaming FIFA? 99.9% of the demonstrations and even riots have been aimed squarely at their government officials.

A couple of walls spray painted with "Fuck FIFA" shouldn't really count as blaming.

FIFA and the corporations (Coca Cola, Nike, McDonald's- the usual) are the ones that profit from the World Cup. The people in the host countries get screwed. That's almost a rule of thumb. It happened in Germany in 2006, in Korea/Japan in 2002 and I believe even in France 1998.

Difference is, rich countries losing a few billion isn't a big deal. Developing countries aren't gonna be happy with that, though.

 

[UltraMagnus]

Developing country's economies have less oversight and regulation typically than developed countries so it's easier for Fifa to take a cut of the development money.

This, Bear in mind that the money is going somewhere and the companies that get the contracts for construction are probably raking it in, and a lot of those companies board members will have a lot of say. In fact you will probably find many members of Brazils government will also be sitting on the boards of many of the companies granted contracts.

 

[ChillyPalmer]

Sepp Blatter is the slimiest bastard in sports.

 

[GracieMMABarra]

Blaming FIFA? 99.9% of the demonstrations and even riots have been aimed squarely at their government officials.

A couple of walls spray painted with "Fuck FIFA" shouldn't really count as blaming.

FIFA and the corporations (Coca Cola, Nike, McDonald's- the usual) are the ones that profit from the World Cup. The people in the host countries get screwed. That's almost a rule of thumb. It happened in Germany in 2006, in Korea/Japan in 2002 and I believe even in France 1998.

Difference is, rich countries losing a few billion isn't a big deal. Developing countries aren't gonna be happy with that, though.

Germany:

The 2006 World Cup was adjudged a success comparable to that of the 1994 US World Cup.[citation needed] The German government reported that tourism revenue over the month of the World Cup was up roughly 400 million dollars. They made about 3 billion more dollars in retail such as jerseys and other paraphernalia regarding the Cup. Lastly, a reported 500,000 new jobs were yielded in preparation for the tournament. This impact sends ripples through an economy. Restaurants and bars were full to capacity at all hours of the tournament, and 15 million more spectators arrived in Germany than was expected.[7]

This success drew attention to the German professional league, the Bundesliga.[citation needed] As a result, sales of tickets and team paraphernalia have increased dramatically. Many global corporations witnessed the craze in Germany during the world cup and in recognizing the countries passion for the sport they have begun to sponsor many more German teams than prior to 2006. The global viewing of Bundesliga games has increased as well, helping these sponsors and German telecasters the profits they were expecting.[citation needed]

The 2006 World Cup had an operating budget (for staging the event, not inclusive of capital infrastructure costs) of

 

[Dale Denton II]

Blaming FIFA? 99.9% of the demonstrations and even riots have been aimed squarely at their government officials.

A couple of walls spray painted with "Fuck FIFA" shouldn't really count as blaming.

FIFA and the corporations (Coca Cola, Nike, McDonald's- the usual) are the ones that profit from the World Cup. The people in the host countries get screwed. That's almost a rule of thumb. It happened in Germany in 2006, in Korea/Japan in 2002 and I believe even in France 1998.

Difference is, rich countries losing a few billion isn't a big deal. Developing countries aren't gonna be happy with that, though.

Sup Possum, FIFA is taking a big part of the blame here in Rio.

Thing is: everyone knows FIFA is a mafia, but when we were voting to decide the host city, everyone wanted the WC..

What really sucks is the way FIFA and the government are handling the whole thing. I study 2 mins away from Maracana and a fucking lot of poor favela houses are being demolished, museums are turned into parking lots, etc

There is this thing called "Lei Geral da Copa", which means WC law, that basically pre-authorizes every goddamn measure they need to do because of "emergency" allegations.

This whole combo of mega corps + sold out politicians is fucking a lot of the poor people in the ass

If you guys have any doubts about whats going down here, feel free to ask

 

[blokeybloke]

FIFA are a satellite roving Vatican.

Government & Religion unto themselves.