20 Years Ago...

[pankrat]

lol dude Tamura @ 22 yrs old, there was no MMA market

I know. Still Tamura certainly evolved as a fighter from that age. Thats the point and you know it.

 

[gono btw]

Why do you keep analyzing the Okami from his very early days as the "evolved" fighter? The evolved fighter came later.
Just like Anderson, Reem or so many others who started their careers young around late 90's/early 2000's were much more evolved fighters in 2010. If you dont see that evolution in Okami its your problem.

Look at the Tamura from his early 20s...you dont even have footage of it. The evolved fighter came later.

Okami in his early days was basically a tall, lanky, strong judo guy training in Caol Uno's Wajutsu Keisukai gym, an already modern gym by then.
So by that time his game was clinching, TD and GnP. But he keep evolving his wrestling and striking leaps and bounds. By the way, for being such a dull grappler he won the Japanese ADCC qualificators.

The standup game Okami won several UFC fights including a tittle eliminator with may look simple to figure out to you as a viewer. But as many of his opponents said, its not that easy. His wide southpaw stance, his control of distances, his in and out footwork, and his straigh punches mainly the solid southpaw jab is not that easy to overcome especially when you will get clinched when overextend doing it.

If you dont think Okami's clinch and wrestling is top-notch (a guy who stop 18 tds from a standout wrestler in Munoz or outrapples an Olympian judoka on Lombard) I dont know what to tell you. To say Okami doesnt have good knees from the clinch is just false lol.

He had no problem on going to the ground with anyone. including Dean Lister, so thats how much he trusted on his sub defense

Okami still holds the record of most guard passes in UFC MW division history and has taken full mount plenty of times so what the fuck are you talking about him not passing the guard in the ground?

The fact that Okami asked the guy who had just beat him (Sonnen) to let him go train with him in America (in one of the most renowned wrestling oriented mma gyms) is pretty telling about him

Again, Okami from 2006-2018 is not the same than back in 2002-2004. If you dont see the evoution you really have a problem and Im guessing is just you hating on the guy.

"Just like Anderson, Reem or so many others who started their careers young around late 90's/early 2000's"

Hmm..Did you watch their early fights?

 

[gono btw]

I know. Still Tamura certainly evolved as a fighter from that age. Thats the point and you know it.

He was not a fighter at that age, dude...

 

[pankrat]

lmao, you said 1st he would outstrike him...

Okami would spam his jab all he wanted, and if Tamura wanted to counter with punches then would get clinched. Now tell me Tamura would beat Okami inth clinch, something no one did ever, maybe just Sonnen.
If you think you can keep Okami away just with a middle kick thats very naive. At the third kick you are getting taken down

 

[pankrat]

He was not a fighter at that age, dude...

Why is that hard for you to grasp?
Tamura wasnt the same fighter in 99 than the first year he dedicated to be a fighter.
Just like Okami wasnt the same fighter in 2010 than with 22 years old.

 

[pankrat]

"Just like Anderson, Reem or so many others who started their careers young around late 90's/early 2000's"

Hmm..Did you watch their early fights?

Of course. Do you really think the lanky Reem from his early years in the same fighter than the one he was in Strikeforce?
Was Werdum the same fighter in his early yeards than a decade later?
Was Anderson the same fighter in 2008 than in 1998? Do you really believe so?

 

[gono btw]

Of course. Do you really think the lanky Reem from his early years in the same fighter than the one he was in Strikeforce?
Was Werdum the same fighter in his early yeards than a decade later?
Was Anderson the same fighter in 2008 than in 1998? Do you really believe so?

I suggest you watch their early fights to really understand their evolution. It´s more complex than you believe.

Doom´s evolution for instance is not the one u believe it was, for sure, like he evolved when reached SF or UFC.

 

[gono btw]

Why is that hard for you to grasp?
Tamura wasnt the same fighter in 99 than the first year he dedicated to be a fighter.
Just like Okami wasnt the same fighter in 2010 than with 22 years old.

22 yrs old dude, your quote

 

[pankrat]

what...are...u....talkin´...about....

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Okami had no reach advantage over Marquardt and Munoz?

U Seriouz?

Marquardt's reach is listed in every site as 75"

Okami's reach is listed as 72 in many places, the longest he has listed is 76".
Do you think those 2/3" at most of reach advantage is what gave Okami the win in the standup against top ten competition. Is that the absurd reach advante you talk about?

The truth is, Okami, along with his reach (which again, is average in the division) has many other skills in the standup that may not be impressive or flashy, but are harder to figure out than you think as a viewer. To think Tamura's middle kick alone is superior than that is very naive man

 

[gono btw]

Okami would spam his jab all he wanted, and if Tamura wanted to counter with punches then would get clinched. Now tell me Tamura would beat Okami inth clinch, something no one did ever, maybe just Sonnen.
If you think you can keep Okami away just with a middle kick thats very naive. At the third kick you are getting taken down

lol @ Okami´s jab... After the 1st kick he would clinch and you know it, so why feed this illusion about Okami outstriking him?

 

[pankrat]

I suggest you watch their early fights to really understand their evolution. It´s more complex than you believe.

Doom´s evolution for instance is not the one u believe it was, for sure, like he evolved when reached SF or UFC.

Of course I have seen Anderson's early fights. I got in the sport because of him. I also started paying attention to Okami because of him lol

 

[pankrat]

lol @ Okami´s jab... After the 1st kick he would clinch and you know it, so why feed this illusion about Okami outstriking him?

Im sure you was claiming Lombard or Marquardt (accredited dangerous strikers and KO artists, more than Tamura ever was) would easily take Okami's jab away and make him panic with the first punch. Surprise! it was not like that. Its not as easy as you think for the reasons I tried to show you in posts above

 

[gono btw]

Marquardt's reach is listed in every site as 75"

Okami's reach is listed as 72 in many places, the longest he has listed is 76".
Do you think those 2/3" at most of rach advantage is what gave Okami the win in the standup against top ten competition. Is that the absurd reach advante you talk about?

The truth is, Okami, along with his reach (which again, is average in the division) has many other skills in the standup that may not be impressive or flashy, but are harder to figure out than you think as a viewer. To think Tamura's middle kick alone is superior than that is very naive man

these are not the numbers I have tbh, Munoz @ 71 or 72 not 75

marquardt @ 74 , and smaller than Okami

 

[gono btw]

Of course I have seen Anderson's early fights. I got in the sport because of him. I also started paying attention to Okami because of him lol

The evolution of these dudes is more complex than the mere chronology would make you think

 

[pankrat]

these are not the numbers I have tbh

What do you mean? Okami has not long reach, has short arms, especially as a MW.
The fact that you think that all the reason for his succes in the standup is based on a huge reach advantage (that he has not) shows how much you underrate his actual skills

 

[gono btw]

What do you mean? Okami has not long reach, has short arms, especially as a MW.
The fact that you think that all the reason for his succes in the standup is based on a huge reach advantage (that he has not) shows how much you underrate his actual skills

Munoz @ 71 or 72 not 75

marquardt @ 74 , and smaller than Okami

 

[pankrat]

The evolution of these dudes is more complex than the mere chronology would make you think

Of course is based in many reason. Its like you obviating that training in Team Quest improved Okami's game.
Silva already in his late 30's was training with Mark Munoz for a reason.
To pretend a fighter in his early 20's is the same fighter than the same man dedicated for a decade to the sport is absurd.

 

[gono btw]

Of course is based in many reason. Its like you obviating that training in Team Quest improved Okami's game.
Silva already in his late 30's was training with Mark Munoz for a reason.
To pretend a fighter in his early 20's is the same fighter than the same man dedicated for a decade to the sport is absurd.

Depends on each fighter´s evolution and the fight configuration where he´s evolving in.

 

[pankrat]

Munoz @ 71 or 72 not 75

marquardt @ 74 , and smaller than Okami

Munoz 72
Marquardt 74
Okami 72-75 depending on the site.

Not such signficant reach advantage man. Okami's stance, feet positioning, in and out footwork and polished boxing tecnique (although limited tecniques) is what gave him the advantage in the standup game against Munoz or Marquardt. More than the reach advantage that in any case, isnt that significant. If you dont want to recognize him this is on you

 

[gono btw]

Im sure you was claiming Lombard or Marquardt (accredited dangerous strikers and KO artists, more than Tamura ever was) would easily take Okami's jab away and make him panic with the first punch. Surprise! it was not like that. Its not as easy as you think for the reasons I tried to show you in posts above

puh-lease, while Tamura was fighting @ openweight against HWs, you´re referring to Lombard, heavily undersized, and Marquardt who once fought @ LW and WW. Ridiculous.