16 Greatest HW’s of all time

[GOATtalks]

"Professional "

I am though, but it’s completely irrelevant to this conversation. Not in combat sports of course

 

[GOATtalks]

Facts

That’s literally an opinion.

You don’t know the difference between a fact and an opinion.

Fedor lost 3 times in a row, all by stoppage when was just 33-34 years old. That’s a example of a fact.

 

[GOATtalks]

Im a little confused on Werdum.
Was Cain unranked when Werdum choked him?

He wasn’t ranked by FightMatrix due to inactivity. He was #1 before though. I have solve how to add points for that. Maybe 5 points instead of 10 due to long lay off?

 

[GOAT.]

That’s literally an opinion.

You don’t know the difference between a fact and an opinion.

Fedor lost 3 times in a row, all by stoppage when was just 33-34 years old. That’s a example of a fact.

Yea you know what else is a fact? Only a moron or a troll would suggest that athletes are still in their prime at 35-40 years old because a handful out of hundreds of thousands of them have reached the top. Would you say Sugar Ray Leanard was still in his prime when he couldn't win a fight after 33? Smh delusional fool.

 

[SJP_SevenLaker]

Fedor isn’t 1? Gtfo

 

[Paladin]

He wasn’t ranked by FightMatrix due to inactivity. He was #1 before though. I have solve how to add points for that. Maybe 5 points instead of 10 due to long lay off?

I thought he was the champion (although inactive) and Werdum was interim so it was champ vs champ

 

[Fioretti]

You’ve been provided an actual, historical ranking—by me—showing that Hunt was ranked at the time he fought Fedor, and yet you persist in claiming he was not ranked.

Yet, you didn't provide this actual ranking in your reply? Weird. Did you find him ranked on one obscure site and are discarding the multiple widely accepted, credible, and accurate rankings? Hmmm

 

[HaulParris]

@acannxr made a thread a while ago ranking best HW’s in the world by the number of top10 wins based on FightMatrix.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...st-top-10-ranked-wins-at-heavyweight.4148848/

Thank you for your research @acannrx, I’ll use your thread as a base, although your approach is a bit flawed, because beating #10 guy isn’t the same as beating the #1 guy. So a better system would be a point based system. A win over #1 guy equals 10 points and a win over #10 guy equals 1 point. So let’s begin:

#16 Mirko Filipovic

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#10 Heath Herring 1 point
#3 Josh Barnett 8 points
#6 Josh Barnett 5 points
#2 Josh Barnett 9 points

Filipovic has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#15 Ciryl Gane

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#7 JDS 4 points
#5 Jairzinho Rozenstruick 6 points
#6 Alexander Volkov 5 points
#3 Derrick Lewis 8 points

Gane has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#14 Frank Mir

#4 Tim Sylvia 7 points
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 9 points
#8 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 3 points
#7 Antonio Silva 4 points

Mir has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#13 Brock Lesnar

#9 Heath Herring 2 points
#3 Randy Couture 8 points
#3 Frank Mir 8 points
#5 Shane Carwin 6 points

Lesnar has 4 top ten wins and 24 points


#12 Andrei Arlovski

#7 Vladimir Matyushenko 4 points
#7 Tim Sylvia 4 points
#9 Fabricio Werdum 2 points
#4 Antonio Silva 7 points
#4 Travis Browne 7 points
#9 Frank Mir 2 points

Arlovski has 6 top ten wins and 26 points


#11 Daniel Cormier

#6 Antonio Silva 5 points
#8 Josh Barnett 3 points
#7 Frank Mir 4 points
#1 Stipe Miocic 10 points
#5 Derrick Lewis 6 points

Cormier has 5 top ten wins and 28 points


#10 Fabricio Werdum

#4 Gabriel Gonzaga 7 points
#1 Fedor Emelianenko 10 points
#10 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 1 point
#5 Travis Browne 6 points
#5 Mark Hunt 6 points
#8 Travis Browne 3 points

Werdum has 6 top ten wins and 33 points


#9 Randy Couture

#6 Maurice Smith 5 points
#5 Kevin Randleman 6 points
#8 Tsuyoshi Kohsaka 3 points
#5 Pedro Rizzo 6 points
#10 Pedro Rizzo 1 point
#5 Tim Sylvia 6 points
#3 Gabriel Gonzaga 8 points

Couture has 7 top ten wins 35 points


#8 Francis Ngannou

#8 Andrei Arlovski 3 points
#2 Alistair Overeem 9 points
#3 Curtis Blaydes 8 points
#4 Junior dos Santos 7 points
#7 Jairzinho Rozenstruik 4 points
#1 Stipe Miocic 10 points

Ngannou has 6 top ten wins and 41 points


#7 Alistair Overeem

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#7 Sergei Kharitonov 4 points
#9 Brett Rogers 2 points
#3 Fabricio Werdum 8 points
#2 Brock Lesnar 9 points
#10 Frank Mir 1 point
#3 Junior Dos Santos 8 points
#7 Andrei Arlovski 4 points
#6 Mark Hunt 5 points
#2 Fabricio Werdum 9 points

Overeem has 9 top ten wins and 44 points


#6 Junior dos Santos

#4 Fabricio Werdum 7 points
#9 Mirko Filipovic 2 points
#6 Shane Carwin 5 points
#1 Cain Velasquez 10 points
#4 Frank Mir 7 points
#9 Mark Hunt 2 points
#6 Ben Rothwell 5 points
#4 Derrick Lewis 7 points

dos Santos has 8 top ten wins and 45 points


#5 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

#5 Valentijn Overeem 6 points
#5 Gary Goodridge 6 points
#3 Mark Coleman 8 points
#6 Ricco Rodriguez 5 points
#5 Mirko Filipovic 6 points
#3 Josh Barnett 8 points
#9 Tim Sylvia 2 points
#5 Randy Couture 6 points
#10 Brendan Schaub 1 point

Nogueira has 9 top ten wins 48 points


#4 Josh Barnett

#2 Semmy Schilt 9 points
#2 Randy Couture 9 points
#10 Semmy Schilt 1 point
#6 Kazuhiro Nakamura 5 points
#2 Mark Hunt 9 points
#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 8 points
#7 Frank Mir 4 points
#7 Andrei Arlovski 4 points

Barnett has 8 top ten wins and 49 points


#3 Cain Velasquez

#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 8 points
#1 Brock Lesnar 10 points
#9 Antonio Silva 2 points
#1 Junior dos Santos 10 points
#3 Antonio Silva 8 points
#2 Junior dos Santos 9 points
#8 Travis Browne 3

Velasquez has 7 top ten wins and 50 points


#2 Fedor Emelianenko

#8 Renato Sobral 3 points
#6 Semmy Schilt 5 points
#10 Heath Herring 1 point
#1 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 10 points
#8 Gary Goodridge 3 points
#9 Mark Coleman 2 points
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 9 points
#4 Mirko Filipovic 7 points
#4 Mark Coleman 7 points
#7 Mark Hunt 4 points
#8 Tim Sylvia 3 points
#6 Andrei Arlovski 5 points
#8 Brett Rogers 3 points

Emelianenko has 13 top ten wins and 62 points


#1 Stipe Miocic

#5 Mark Hunt 6 points
#3 Andrei Arlovski 8 points
#1 Fabricio Werdum 10
#3 Alistair Overeem 8 points
#5 Junior dos Santos 6 points
#2 Francis Ngannou 9 points
#1 Daniel Cormier 10 points
#2 Daniel Cormier 9 points

Miocic has 8 top ten wins and 66 points


Like @acannxr, I only used UFC/Pride champions for this list. This is the most objective unbiased system I’ve could come up with!
Discuss

EDIT: Alistair Overeem added to the list

Strong work!

 

[BFoe]

Yet, you didn't provide this actual ranking in your reply? Weird. Did you find him ranked on one obscure site and are discarding the multiple widely accepted, credible, and accurate rankings? Hmmm

Um, no.
I googled “MMA Ranking December 2006” and literally clicked the first thing that came up (that wasn’t Fight Matrix).


http://mmaworldranking.blogspot.com/2014/07/mma-rankings-after-ufc-65-pride-bushido.html?m=1
But we both know it won’t matter, you’ve been repeating the same nonsense about Fedor and his ranked opponents in every Fedor thread you post in, regardless of how many times you’ve been corrected and shown otherwise.
Carry on.

 

[Fioretti]

Um, no.
I googled “MMA Ranking December 2006” and literally clicked the first thing that came up (that wasn’t Fight Matrix).
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http://mmaworldranking.blogspot.com/2014/07/mma-rankings-after-ufc-65-pride-bushido.html?m=1
But we both know it won’t matter, you’ve been repeating the same nonsense about Fedor and his ranked opponents in every Fedor thread you post in, regardless of how many times you’ve been corrected and shown otherwise.
Carry on.

So, one obscure blog posted by a fan then? Heard.

 

[BFoe]

So, one obscure blog posted by a fan then? Heard.

Don’t ever change, Fioretti <45>
Use MMA Weekly then, who also had Hunt ranked in their Sept 2006 ranking.

 

[cookdaddy]

Don't have a problem with the system, just some of the rankings. Pretty sure both Sylvia and Arlovski were in the top 5 when Fedor fought them, which would then put Fedor at number 1.

 

[BFoe]

Don't have a problem with the system, just some of the rankings. Pretty sure both Sylvia and Arlovski were in the top 5 when Fedor fought them, which would then put Fedor at number 1.

The Sylvia ranking by FightMatrix is especially bad.

 

[xHeadx]

 

[Fioretti]

Don’t ever change, Fioretti <45>
Use MMA Weekly then, who also had Hunt ranked in their Sept 2006 ranking.

You sure? Link?

 

[Szwok]

putting stipe over fedor is UFC propaganda.

 

[BFoe]

You sure? Link?

That’s what the red font is. You can click on my post right where it says “MMA Weekly.”

 

[Fioretti]

That’s what the red font is. You can click on my post right where it says “MMA Weekly.”

Ok, cool. Now we're getting somewhere. Sept 12th 2006 he was listed as #10. Didn't the OP have him as #8? Where was he ranked in their next update on Sept 26th? Better yet, where was he ranked when they fought on December 31st 2006?

You can't be selective, Bbroe, you have to be precise.

 

[BFoe]

Ok, cool. Now we're getting somewhere. Sept 12th 2006 he was listed as #10. Didn't the OP have him as #8? Where was he ranked in their next update on Sept 26th? Better yet, where was he ranked when they fought on December 31st 2006?

You can't be selective, Bbroe, you have to be precise.

You know as well as I do it can be a real bitch to find some of those old historical rankings, but I suppose either of us could try and dig them up. The OP used Fight Matrix generated historical rankings. Those can be questionable from time to time. But considering the fact that Hunt was ranked after the Barnett fight, and Fedor was his next fight, it seems pretty reasonable to call him a ranked opponent.

 

[VodkaDrunkenski]

Werdum beat #1 Cain. Should be 43 points.

MMA math is bs, so no