Crime 12 Police Officers shot, 5 fatally, by snipers during BLM protest in downtown Dallas (Part 1)

[Zankou]

The guy was cornered for hours. He had stopped shooting hours before they blew him up. And the fact that they used a robot to do it suggests he wasn't actively involved in trying to kill people when it happened. I can't imagine them releasing this robot out in the middle of gunfire exchange.

If he had gotten killed in the initial firefight when he's a threat to bystanders and police then yeah, that probably can't be called an execution. But this wasn't that.

Again, I don't really think a live combatant can be 'executed' in the way you are suggesting. It's not much different than warfare. If an enemy soldier is still holding a gun in a situation of active hostility between the sides, they remain 100% legitimate targets. It's not an 'execution' unless the combatant is trying to surrender, has dropped their arms, or have been disarmed.

Just because you surround an enemy soldier doesn't make him your friend, or make it wrong to shoot the guy.

The guy was a live combatant, armed and dangerous, in a situation with multiple combatants. If you had walked up to him, he would've shot you in the face. The fact that he was cornered didn't make him a peaceful noncombatant. And I don't have feels for armed combatants being shot. He wanted to maintain armed hostilities, he got what he freely chose.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Fuck that guy, then.
People gotta stop speaking from emotion.
I don't know what the "answer" is, but it sure as hell isn't responding to unreason with more unreason.

 

[KnightTemplar]

How is this different then a sniper taking him out?

Once the decision to green light, how its done should be manly concerned with protecting civilians and law enforcement.

This. The shit-bag had made it clear he wasn't going to surrender and, indeed, wanted to kill more white cops if he could. So the alternative was sending a SWAT team or waiting for him to come out guns blazing, both of which could have resulted in more casualties. Espeically given the skill this guy had already demonstrated.

Going Full Terminator was the only way to guarantee that only the bad guy died.

 

[klnOmega]

Blowing up a guy that's been cornered for a couple of hours and who has no hostages and whom you'rvee negotiated with is basically an execution.

NOT a good killing in any way.

Did he have a gun?
Yes.

Was he threatening to kill anyone who came near him with it?
Yes.

Did he also say he had explosives that he was willing to use?
Yes.


Sorry, but this was completely just. If he had put the gun down, and came out with his hands up, he'd be alive right now. Its amazing how many fewer of these guys would get killed by police if they would just put down their guns and stop trying to kill them.

 

[lifelessheap]

CNN blaming guns. SMH. Disgraceful.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

And the poor robot.

I nearly said the same, but it occurred to me that it might have been remoted back out of harm's way, thus doing credit to Robonia.

 

[Arkain2K]

That's a wrap for Part 1.

Let's continue this discussion over in Part 2.

(Lock this one up for me @Zankou, thanks!)

 

[Gazwald]

I remain baffled why "would hardly be a shock" is considered an insightful, important, or relevant thing to say.

Rarely is something like this a shock in the sense of being surprising (lots of people claiming Nostradamus here, as if 99.9999% of America isn't familiar with violent conflicts between blacks and the police, as if cops hadn't previously been shot at BLM protests). I'm not, in the slightest, surprised by the Paris shootings, Roof killing, these shootings, etc. I find it hard to imagine anybody is surprised, although I guess I could be wrong about that, but more to the point, I find it hard to imagine why people think surprise is particularly controversial or relevant.

Let me slightly modify your quote to illustrate this. Compare what you are saying:

"If certain blacks started killing a disproportionate amount of white citizens while being stupid enough to let it be filmed and distributed all over social media. It would hardly be a shock if certain white citizens targeted blacks."

Your original unmodified quote, with the text I deleted in brackets:

"If certain black[ law enforcement officer]s started killing a disproportionate amount of white citizens while being stupid enough to let it be filmed and distributed all over social media. It would hardly be a shock if certain white citizens targeted black[ police officer]s."

Of course, neither of your quoted scenarios would be a shock to anybody, in the sense of being surprising. But how does that have an iota of relevance or significance to the debate? The logic is, itself, repugnant and defective. There's an implication that 'not being a shock' means in some sense the group is at fault, which not only doesn't follow logically, it is morally reprehensible.

To be honest, it isn't relevant. That was my lat reply to some guy arguing semantics. I didn't mean to imply any blame. It was more of an implication that it's just the natural order of things. Is a police officer who shoots a black person dead without due course partly responsible for their fellow officers being targeted? Is a black gang member who shoots a cop partly responsible for people of his race being unfairly treated by law enforcement? It depends how you look at it.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

In NO way can this be reasonably pinned on the President.
NONE. To assert that is biased, unfounded, moronic, myopic CRAP.

I don't think anyone is directly blaming Obama, but I think it is fair to say he has been indirectly responsible for the divisiveness we have seen in the USA since he has become president. His poorly chosen words and deafening silence over certain issues has been stoking the flames of division. His wife has not been exactly a model of bringing people together either.

If Trump is directly responsible for the violent anti-Trump mobs, then why can't Obama be indirectly responsible for the divisions we have seen over the course of his presidency?

 

[Falsedawn]

Martin Luther had a dream that one day black people and white people together would hold hands and sing the old Negro spirtual, "free at last. free at last".


BlackLivesMatter would would lambast the shit out of a white person singing slave songs.

Martin Luther King also had a dream that the US government would apply a program to give jobs to black residents as a proportion of the population.

Glad to have your support for Affirmative Action.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

My personal opinion is that we have a shitty situation that perpetuates itself.

I think you have a deep seeded history of racism that still perpetuates itself today by those that are in power.

I think that you have entire generations of blacks blaming whites for their downfalls, and they are at least partially correct in that assumption as I do think a black person of equal skill and talent is less likely to get hired than a white person due to some weird systemic racism.

I think a black person is more likely to feel discouraged about all of this early on and angle themselves towards a life of crime for an easier chance of making it further.

I do not believe that a black baby is born evil...or any baby of any other race than white. I think their environment helps carve them out to have the ideals they grow up to have.

We shoe horn blacks into a shitty poverty stricken environment where the life of crime is usually their only chance at making it big and then we act surprised when they take that path.

We have a woefully under trained police force who can't seem to deal with simple situations without using deadly force...and a privatized prison system that makes a profit from incarceration.

And now traffic ticket revenue seems to be a thing to strive for...which again adds to the incentive of racial profiling.

Blaming is a way to escape personal responsibility. That's what i'm seeing.

 

[klnOmega]

Yea, does anyone remember this one?



http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...rge-cop-who-killed-white-teen-zachary-hammond

I love the titles of videos like this. Like the cop shot the guy because he had weed, and not because nearly rammed him with his car.

 

[Luminaire]

Dylan Nobles, an unarmed 19-year-old white man, was shot on June 25, 2016, in Fresno, Calif. Fresno police were searching for a man reportedly walking in the street with a rifle when they noticed a truck speeding nearby and attempted to pull it over. Nobles got out of the truck and reached behind his back, police said.

Hmm... white guy, unarmed, stopped for speeding, shot and killed by police... how about we just don't cover or report this at all as it doesn't fit our race baiting narrative.

Occurred 13 days ago as well. Where is the Dylan Nobles T-shirt with a silhouette figure of a guy with one arm behind his back and a caption that says "Don't Kill Me Bro!?"

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Fuck that guy, then.
People gotta stop speaking from emotion.
I don't know what the "answer" is, but it sure as hell isn't responding to unreason with more unreason.

Not taking celebrities seriously is a good start. Most celebrities are entertainers and attention whores who will say anything to get the spotlight on them. Celebrities should not be seen as anything more than mindless entertainers.

 

[klnOmega]

Martin Luther King also had a dream that the US government would apply a program to give jobs to black residents as a proportion of the population.

Glad to have your support for Affirmative Action.

Boy, you have a lot of trouble reading. I never said I support Affirmative Action or everything King did. I said that he isn't in line with BlackLivesMatter.

Saying ISIS is different than the KKK doesn't mean I support ISIS or the KKK (inb4 OMG ARE YOU COMPARING KING TO ISIS AND THE KKK!!!)

 

[Coolidge]

He didnt need to. The Nation of Islam did that quite well. Had the opposite effect. Had Brother Malcolm not advocated for self defense and arming of the black populace, MLK would have continued to be ignored.

You don't win support by acting like idiots and animals. You do it through peaceful assembly and protest, which is what MLK was known for. Also, the trouble with the rioting is that they tended to destroy their own neighborhoods and worsen economic conditions for themselves, which is still the case today. The Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers group are just as divisive and problematic as any white supremacist group is today.

Riots are the language of the unheard. Caused by our "winters of delay". Seems pretty clear to me what he thinks causes riots.

Inaction to deal with...racism and inequality. Ties back to the same thing.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I don't think anyone is directly blaming Obama, but I think it is fair to say he has been indirectly responsible for the divisiveness we have seen in the USA since he has become president. His poorly chosen words and deafening silence over certain issues has been stoking the flames of division. His wife has not been exactly a model of bringing people together either.

If Trump is directly responsible for the violent anti-Trump mobs, then why can't Obama be indirectly responsible for the divisions we have seen over the course of his presidency?

Not that I blame Trump for what occurs at his rallies, but his rhetoric is BY FAR less measured than the President's. I'm hardly a fan of everything the POTUS has said, or what his JD has chosen to get involved in, but it's unreasonable to blame poor race relations on one person.
I see what you're saying but can't get there from here.

 

[Falsedawn]

You don't win support by acting like idiots and animals. You do it through peaceful assembly and protest, which is what MLK was known for. The Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers group are just as divisive and problematic as any white supremacist group is today.



Inaction to deal with...racism and inequality. Ties back to the same thing.

If you don't think the NOI helped King's cause IMMENSELY, then I gotta call you dead silly doggo.

 

[lifelessheap]

In NO way can this be reasonably pinned on the President.
NONE. To assert that is biased, unfounded, moronic, myopic CRAP.

Oh fuck off. He can't be blamed directly, but he has fostered and done his best to create this atmosphere. He has done NOTHING but throw gasoline on the fire. He should bear some responsibility. He is the Divider in Chief and if he had a son he would look like the Dallas Police Shooter Micah Johnson.

 

[315MMAFighter]

Another cop was shot today July 8th this time in Missouri. Google it. An officer was shot in the neck when he approached the suspects vehicle. The suspect has been apprehended.