Crime 12 Police Officers shot, 5 fatally, by snipers during BLM protest in downtown Dallas (Part 1)

[Anung Un Rama]

There's a substantial difference.

Edit: what is the difference between a clip and a magazine?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Is this robot-kills-suspect thing legal? I mean I get the rationale of not wanting to put your men into danger. But I mean self-defense sort of can be excluded here - this was a premeditated killing by the police. A good one, I might add. But I still have questions regarding the legality. And it also kind of scares me that we probably will have drones do the killings in the future.

Blowing up a guy that's been cornered for a couple of hours and who has no hostages and whom you'rvee negotiated with is basically an execution.

NOT a good killing in any way.

 

[Coolidge]

Protesting and "civil disorder".

Kinda like another group that is so detested....what was their name again?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but MLK wasn't involved in destruction of property, impeding the movement of people, violent assaults, graffiti, etc.?

 

[Zankou]

If certain black law enforcement officers started killing a disproportionate amount of white citizens while being stupid enough to let it be filmed and distributed all over social media. It would hardly be a shock if certain white citizens targeted black police officers.

The context of this situation is important. You're trying to apply the same logic to other situations of your choosing. You see this situation as black vs white, obviously. Like in most situations, it's not as black and white as that.

I remain baffled why "would hardly be a shock" is considered an insightful, important, or relevant thing to say.

Rarely is something like this a shock in the sense of being surprising (lots of people claiming Nostradamus here, as if 99.9999% of America isn't familiar with violent conflicts between blacks and the police, as if cops hadn't previously been shot at BLM protests). I'm not, in the slightest, surprised by the Paris shootings, Roof killing, these shootings, etc. I find it hard to imagine anybody is surprised, although I guess I could be wrong about that, but more to the point, I find it hard to imagine why people think surprise is particularly controversial or relevant.

Let me slightly modify your quote to illustrate this. Compare what you are saying:

"If certain blacks started killing a disproportionate amount of white citizens while being stupid enough to let it be filmed and distributed all over social media. It would hardly be a shock if certain white citizens targeted blacks."

Your original unmodified quote, with the text I deleted in brackets:

"If certain black[ law enforcement officer]s started killing a disproportionate amount of white citizens while being stupid enough to let it be filmed and distributed all over social media. It would hardly be a shock if certain white citizens targeted black[ police officer]s."

Of course, neither of your quoted scenarios would be a shock to anybody, in the sense of being surprising. But how does that have an iota of relevance or significance to the debate? The logic is, itself, repugnant and defective. There's an implication that 'not being a shock' means in some sense the group is at fault, which not only doesn't follow logically, it is morally reprehensible.

 

[MusterX]

You haven't been flooded with Muslims... yet. Wait to see what happens when you are. And the racial tensions that exist in the USA prove that you have serious problems. You are constantly trying to balance things so the pressure cooker that is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious state, doesn't explode.

The U.S. has 2.6 million Muslims.

A new survey reveals the dramatically changing face of religion in America, with the number of Muslims in the U.S. soaring 67% in the decade since the 9/11 attacks.


Data released Tuesday from the 2010 U.S. Religion Census shows Islam was the fastest growing religion in America in the last 10 years, with 2.6 million living in the U.S. today, up from 1 million in 2000.

 

[TSO]

The problem here is police misconduct. It is an ongoing problem that is very old. It is the very problem completely overlooked and ignored by a good many people. Forget about when the police shoot a criminal, the problem is when a guy is handcuffed in the back of the squad car and suffers a gunshot wound to the chest. It makes people kinda mad.

There are over 750,000 police officers in the US and less than 600 times a year they kill someone. Even if all of those are unjustified I don't see that as a huge problem.

On the other hand. Black people make up 12% of the population and over 50% of the violent crime, that is a massive problem.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Blowing up a guy that's been cornered for a couple of hours and who has no hostages and whom you'rvee negotiated with is basically an execution.

NOT a good killing in any way.

Obama Doctrine bruh

 

[My Spot]

Blowing up a guy that's been cornered for a couple of hours and who has no hostages and whom you'rvee negotiated with is basically an execution.

NOT a good killing in any way.

That's what worries me, a precedent being set.

 

[TSO]

Edit: what is the difference between a clip and a magazine?

A clip is a small piece of metal attached to the back of the rounds so they can be fed into an internal magazine like on an M-1 Garand. A magazine is a box like item for holding and feeding rounds into a weapon.

 

[maddog7]

Remote controlled it up to him, placed and detonated.
It's what he deserved.

Did that robot say 'Have a nice day' before it went off?
Please tell me it did.

 

[JDragon]

Blowing up a guy that's been cornered for a couple of hours and who has no hostages and whom you'rvee negotiated with is basically an execution.

NOT a good killing in any way.

I was saying 'good' in the sense of 'good riddance'. But as you pointed out and as I was trying to say: legally, it still seems highly questionable.

 

[scoopj]

The 13% of blacks in the US are responsible for almost 50% of all homicides and violent crime.

This combined with the stats I posted from WaPo (below) indicates that blacks are not disproportionally killed by police when compared to whites and Hispanics. Nothing to see here folks, it's all a ruse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

In 2015...

50% of the 990 people shot dead by police were white, 26% were black, 17% were Hispanic, and 7% were other.

84% were armed with a deadly weapon (including using a vehicle), 3% had a toy weapon, 9% were unarmed, and 3% unknown.

In 74% of cases, there was an "attack in progress".

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Conservatives be like

"Why does BLM support criminals!? We need another MLK!"

There is no reason to be comparing a hero like Martin Luther King with the racist scumbags involved with BLM.

 

[Falsedawn]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but MLK wasn't involved in destruction of property, impeding the movement of people, violent assaults, graffiti, etc.?

I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

If we're going by Struggie's definition of culpability, he might as well have killed a cop himself.

 

[BVG]

Before you cry foul on racial profiling, shouldn't you at least examine why the profiling is taking place? It's not just magically appearing. Basically what I'm trying to say is that every group has a hand in the generalizations/stereotypes people use against it.

My personal opinion is that we have a shitty situation that perpetuates itself.

I think you have a deep seeded history of racism that still perpetuates itself today by those that are in power.

I think that you have entire generations of blacks blaming whites for their downfalls, and they are at least partially correct in that assumption as I do think a black person of equal skill and talent is less likely to get hired than a white person due to some weird systemic racism.

I think a black person is more likely to feel discouraged about all of this early on and angle themselves towards a life of crime for an easier chance of making it further.

I do not believe that a black baby is born evil...or any baby of any other race than white. I think their environment helps carve them out to have the ideals they grow up to have.

We shoe horn blacks into a shitty poverty stricken environment where the life of crime is usually their only chance at making it big and then we act surprised when they take that path.

We have a woefully under trained police force who can't seem to deal with simple situations without using deadly force...and a privatized prison system that makes a profit from incarceration.

And now traffic ticket revenue seems to be a thing to strive for...which again adds to the incentive of racial profiling.

 

[SRN]

The robot killing thing was a bit rough but we don't know what the shooter was saying, maybe he was treating to explode everyone. He did say he had bombs.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Obama Doctrine bruh

That's what worries me, a precedent being set.

It's basically a "we're reeeeeeally fucking mad so we're just gonna kill this dude right here" thing.

Civilians murdering random cops isn't even worth talking about because no one thinks it's a good idea. But the police overlooking due process and moving straight to execution is very worrying.

 

[MusterX]

There are over 750,000 police officers in the US and less than 600 times a year they kill someone. Even if all of those are unjustified I don't see that as a huge problem.

On the other hand. Black people make up 12% of the population and over 50% of the violent crime, that is a massive problem.

I talked about this in another post. It doesn't matter if there are 750,000 officers and they only shoot 600 people per year. We live in a time when every single thing they do is filmed and put on the internet 24/7. Every single incident from every single Podunk town is recorded and posted for millions to see. That is what we are dealing with. It is a consequence of placing a smart phone in every persons hand.

In the past you needed a media news station or newspaper to pick up your story, now all you need is your phone and a YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit account and you don't need the media, you ARE the media and your ideas and videos can actually get more views than a station like MSNBC. Millions can view what you have to say and watch your horrible video.

 

[deadshot138]

The legal justification for deadly force is "behavior that has caused or imminently threatens to cause death or great bodily harm to you, another person, or persons." The shooter's behavior fits this criteria. If you think he was going to let himself be taken alive, I pity your naivete.

 

[Falsedawn]

There is no reason to be comparing a hero like Martin Luther King with the racist scumbags involved with BLM.

That's funny, because MLK would definitely make that comparison himself.

Or did you think the whitewashed view of the Civil Rights Movement as kumbaya and walking around quietly was correct?