10-10 rounds: OSP v Villante

[legatoblues]

Just came across this one and noticed some peculiar scoring.

30-28
29-29
30-29

The third round was a 10-10 as Villante was unable to continue after an eyepoke 30 seconds in, so I can understand that (is this a rule or official procedure for when a fight is called before the round is complete?)

But one of the judges awarded a 10-10 score for the second round. I wasn't even sure if a 10-10 was an officially recognized thing....or did this guy just fall asleep on the job?

Edit: for more of a thread point, what are the rules for judging a partial round (technical decision?) Does someone who has watched the fight have an opinion of the 10-10 scoring of the second round? And does anyone have any other 10-10 examples from the UFC?

http://mmadecisions.com/decision/42...e;jsessionid=7C153C39B0994F583671C0BD8833610F

(For disclosure, I haven't watched the fight).

 

[SiEdmondson]

cool thread bro

10 point must, means one person (bar deducted points) must score 10, doesn't mean both cant if totally even (although not given that often)

other than that? is there a reason to this that I have missed?

 

[VitorBelfoTRT]

Wouldnt that be a technical TKO victory for OSP or DQ?

 

[kila2]

It's actually pretty surprising how so many people think you can't give a 10-10 round as a judge. Of course you can and IMO there should be much more 10-10 rounds and draws in general. been saying this for a long time. It's always better to have a draw in your record, than a stupid decision loss made by ignorant judges.

 

[Dart Feld]

Wouldnt that be a technical TKO victory for OSP or DQ?

Depends on how much time has passed in the fight. In a 3 round fight, if an unintentional foul that ends a fight happens after 2 rounds have been completed then it goes to the judges for a technical decision. If it occurs before that period then it's an NC.

 

[legatoblues]

For more of a point to the thread:

What are the rules regarding the judging of a partial round (a technical decision?)

Does anyone who remembers this fight have an opinion on the second round?

And are the any other examples of a 10-10 round within the UFC?

 

[legatoblues]

It's actually pretty surprising how so many people think you can't give a 10-10 round as a judge. Of course you can and IMO there should be much more 10-10 rounds and draws in general. been saying this for a long time. It's always better to have a draw in your record, than a stupid decision loss made by ignorant judges.

cool thread bro

10 point must, means one person (bar deducted points) must score 10, doesn't mean both cant if totally even (although not given that often)

other than that? is there a reason to this that I have missed?

I'm totally on board with the 10-10 (and more 10-8's) and am aware of it's existence. I just struggle to think of an example within the UFC. The fact that this fight also had a technical decision made it somewhat interesting to me.

And as for why people don't think of 10-10's, remember that at the start of each broadcast, the 'Rules of the Octagon' state that "The winner of each round gets 10 points, his opponent 9 or less".

 

[HUGHPHUG]

Depends on how much time has passed in the fight. In a 3 round fight, if an unintentional foul that ends a fight happens after 2 rounds have been completed then it goes to the judges for a technical decision. If it occurs before that period then it's an NC.

I thought there was something about a certain amount of time had to have passed in that round for it to be scored? Like the majority of the round had to have passed (2.31). Didn't realize they just went for a straight 10-10 in that round.
Or perhaps the round is scored by the judges after the majority has passed, but before the 2.30 point it is a 10-10 round?
Just what I thought I remembered from the Varner/Cerrone fight.

I don't think there are enough 10-10 rounds, just as with 10-8 rounds

 

[kila2]

I'm totally on board with the 10-10 (and more 10-8's) and am aware of it's existence. I just struggle to think of an example within the UFC. The fact that this fight also had a technical decision made it somewhat interesting to me.

And as for why people don't think of 10-10's, remember that at the start of each broadcast, the 'Rules of the Octagon' state that "The winner of each round gets 10 points, his opponent 9 or less".

True, but I would expect people to be more curious and find the correct info. It's really easy.

"Judging criteria
The ten-point must system is in effect for all UFC fights; three judges score each round and the winner of each receives ten points while the loser receives nine points or fewer (although 10–10 rounds are given in the rare event that a judge feels the rounds was too close to warrant giving one fighter 10 and the other 9.) Scores of 10–8 are typically awarded for dominant rounds and anything more dominant is scored less. 10–7 rounds are very rare."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Fighting_Championship#Judging_criteria

 

[legatoblues]

Did some googling and found the following:

http://mmadecisions.com/ten-ten-report/

This fight is the only one of the list with multiple 10-10's, but that appears to be because of the technical decision.

I also found a quote from Big John stating the only round he ever believes should have been a 10-10 was the first round of Manhoef v Carvalho in Bellator (which funnily enough, was not scored a 10-10 by any of the judges).

True, but I would expect people to be more curious and find the correct info. It's really easy.

I feel you give the general populace too much credit....

But again, agree 100%.

 

[Dart Feld]

I thought there was something about a certain amount of time had to have passed in that round for it to be scored? Like the majority of the round had to have passed (2.31). Didn't realize they just went for a straight 10-10 in that round.
Or perhaps the round is scored by the judges after the majority has passed, but before the 2.30 point it is a 10-10 round?
Just what I thought I remembered from the Varner/Cerrone fight.

I don't think there are enough 10-10 rounds, just as with 10-8 rounds

It's after 2 rounds completed in a 3 rounder and after 3 rounds completed in a 5 rounder. It's supposed to be a little more than half of the overall fight having been completed.

There's no special consideration in the rules on how judges must score the final round for a technical decision.

Judges have been inclined to just put a 10-10 if the fight was stopped before anything significant happened in the round besides the foul. However in the cases where the foul happened later in a 3rd/5th round they just score the round as they would any other. Bisping had been winning against Belcher throughout and picked up either 2 or 3 30-27s in his technical decision win against Belcher.

 

[HUGHPHUG]

It's after 2 rounds completed in a 3 rounder and after 3 rounds completed in a 5 rounder. It's supposed to be a little more than half of the overall fight having been completed.

There's no special consideration in the rules on how judges must score the final round for a technical decision.

Judges have been inclined to just put a 10-10 if the fight was stopped before anything significant happened in the round besides the foul. However in the cases where the foul happened later in a 3rd/5th round they just score the round as they would any other. Bisping had been winning against Belcher throughout and picked up either 2 or 3 30-27s in his technical decision win against Belcher.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated