Would Ali have lost a rematch against Foreman?

[Killer ofTrolls]

fun pure speculation, old simple question.

What if Foreman was given the chance to avenge his lose against Ali, after Foreman had beat Fraizer for the second time in 1976?

Ali was accused by a few of ducking him, and it was fairly justified, considering he gave Fraizer 2 more tries. and even Ken Norton for a pointless third time, as well, who he already beat twice before, even though Foreman was chasing him at that time.


Now I'm not saying Foreman wasn't a good enough boxer at that point, cause you don't just get a gold medal in the Olympics like that, as so did Ali. However, maybe at 25 he wasn't ready for "the greatest of all time".

Foreman did one-sidedly take apart Fraizer in 2 rounds in the first time, and showed even better technique imo in there rematch winning in the 5th round.

However, let's not cut Ali short, as he defeated Jimmy Young in 1976, while in the following year, Young beat Foreman in the Ring FOTY of 1977.

 

[Confucamus]

In 1976, Ali was probably still in shape enough to beat Foreman again. Even if not by knockout, he would've taken a decision. I believe Ali was winning on points even before he knocked Foreman out the first time. 1978 or maybe 1979? Formena probably would have won.

You can't accuse Ali of ducking Foreman citing the Frazier and Norton rematches. Very different cases. Norton and Frazier both beat Ali. Ali fought Foreman when Foreman was thought to be an invincible wrecking machine and knocked him out.

 

[PivotPunch]

Foreman wasn't the same mentally after losing to Ali until his comeback. Ali on the other hand took a ton of punishment in the fight and Foreman might had fought smarter in a rematch. I think it depends if Foreman is mentally defeated ebfore even going in the ring which is quite possible Ali wins even easier if he gets motivated by his loss to Ali and the chance to avenge the loss right away he beats Ali

 

[cOugAr_LIbRe_85]

In 1976, Ali was probably still in shape enough to beat Foreman again. Even if not by knockout, he would've taken a decision. I believe Ali was winning on points even before he knocked Foreman out the first time. 1978 or maybe 1979? Formena probably would have won.

You can't accuse Ali of ducking Foreman citing the Frazier and Norton rematches. Very different cases. Norton and Frazier both beat Ali. Ali fought Foreman when Foreman was thought to be an invincible wrecking machine and knocked him out.

what?!

 

[prikoke]

what?!

I think many people believe that (including me)

 

[PivotPunch]

what?!

I'm not sure how I scored it in the first few rounds it was Foreman but even in the first rounds Ali was ldning some big shots just not enough and as the fight went on Foreman's workrate dropped and Ali was still going strong. But the way it went Ali would have won 9/10 times it wasn't one big shot that dropped Foreman but pure exhaustion and the accumalation of punches from Ali.

 

[Killer ofTrolls]

You can't accuse Ali of ducking Foreman citing the Frazier and Norton rematches. Very different cases. Norton and Frazier both beat Ali. Ali fought Foreman when Foreman was thought to be an invincible wrecking machine and knocked him out.

Considering, Foreman beat Frazier again, after of both Ali's rematches against him. Did I mention both Fraizer and Norton were Koed/Tkoed in the second round by him.

Regardless, Ali already rematched and beat both of them. and Foreman was still chasing him. Even when he did beat them a third time, you think a bum like Richard Dunn deserved the title shot more? and Foreman was still on a KO streak.

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Foreman wasn't the same mentally after losing to Ali until his comeback.

His mentality was enough to KO Frazier in early rounds again, lol. But yeah, the way he describes it in interviews, it must have been quite a shock.

 

[Seven30]

I don't think Foreman would have beaten Ali. That loss took a toll on Foreman mentally. Foreman always talks about how Ali had him beaten psychologically after taking so much damage from George & still standing & talking trash. When a fighters' confidence wavers, he becomes a shell of his/herself, no matter how great they normally are.

 

[fDyson]

fun pure speculation, old simple question.

What if Foreman was given the chance to avenge his lose against Ali, after Foreman had beat Fraizer for the second time in 1976?

Ali was accused by a few of ducking him, and it was fairly justified, considering he gave Fraizer 2 more tries. and even Ken Norton for a pointless third time, as well, who he already beat twice before, even though Foreman was chasing him at that time.

Ken had already beaten Ali in their first fight, and due to the extremely close scores of both of those fights, a third made sense a few years later. That fight too, was extremely close on the cards. Muhammad wasn't really 'giving' Norton anything in terms of 'tries', they were on even ground going into the third bout.

 

[PivotPunch]

Considering, Foreman beat Frazier again, after of both Ali's rematches against him. Did I mention both Fraizer and Norton were Koed/Tkoed in the second round by him.

Regardless, Ali already rematched and beat both of them. and Foreman was still chasing him. Even when he did beat them a third time, you think a bum like Richard Dunn deserved the title shot more? and Foreman was still on a KO streak.

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His mentality was enough to KO Frazier in early rounds again, lol. But yeah, the way he describes it in interviews, it must have been quite a shock.

The early retirement, him being much calmer and more relaxed in his comeback along with that freakshow 5 guys in one night (sounds like a gay porn) thing strongly suggests that he wasn't fully into it

 

[Killer ofTrolls]

Ken had already beaten Ali in their first fight, and due to the extremely close scores of both of those fights, a third made sense a few years later. That fight too, was extremely close on the cards. Muhammad wasn't really 'giving' Norton anything in terms of 'tries', they were on even ground going into the third bout.

No, a third was not nessessary, because after Ali had beaten Ken, Foreman KOed him in the second round. hence after Ali beating Foreman afterwards, giving Ken another chance like that seems pointless.

 

[XThe GreatestX]

tough to say because at that point it would have had to be after the manila fight which took a lot out of ali. Im not sure tbh

 

[Archon]

Most probably

 

[sportkillergreg]

yeah i think 94 foreman destroys 94 ali

 

[Sir Nalgada]

Maybe. Depends on the year. Foreman learned to pace himself better and Ali was slower and more hittable after 1976.

In 1975 and 1976 Ali would beat him. Ali still had handspeed, resiliency and ring savvy.

It was 1977 when the only thing rapid about Ali was his decline..
The Ali that fought Shavers and Spinks woulda been in a lot of trouble vs Foreman.

Any rematch from 1980 on wards Foreman wins by slaughter.

 

[Sunfish]

Most probably

Why?

 

[AznCezi187]

Yes, Foreman would have beaten Ali in a rematch and be known as the GHOAT.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

what?!

Ali was clearly winning the fight on points at the time of the stoppage. Not even close in my eyes.

This is something I repeatedly point out. People make it seem like it was a dramatic comeback. It was not. Not at all.

And fact of the matter the judges scorecards were ALL in favor of Ali at the time of the stoppage, and they should have been.

Pure boxing bullshit folklore that Ali was getting beat up and staged a comeback.

And I would take Ali in a rematch too.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

fun pure speculation, old simple question.

What if Foreman was given the chance to avenge his lose against Ali, after Foreman had beat Fraizer for the second time in 1976?

Ali was accused by a few of ducking him, and it was fairly justified, considering he gave Fraizer 2 more tries. and even Ken Norton for a pointless third time, as well, who he already beat twice before, even though Foreman was chasing him at that time.


Now I'm not saying Foreman wasn't a good enough boxer at that point, cause you don't just get a gold medal in the Olympics like that, as so did Ali. However, maybe at 25 he wasn't ready for "the greatest of all time".

Foreman did one-sidedly take apart Fraizer in 2 rounds in the first time, and showed even better technique imo in there rematch winning in the 5th round.

However, let's not cut Ali short, as he defeated Jimmy Young in 1976, while in the following year, Young beat Foreman in the Ring FOTY of 1977.

The common opponents thing is garbage for this analysis.

Styles make fights. Ali's guile combined with an all-time great chin (affording him room to make mistakes) is just all wrong for crude Foreman.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

BTW, just looked it up to refresh my memory.

Foreman after 7 rounds had just managed a total of 3 rounds across the available 21 spots combined on the scorecards. One judge had him winning two rounds, another just 1, and the third completely shut out.