Who's the true clean goat? Gsp or MM

[Franc Mittelo]

If your basis for "clean" is "never being popped", then Fedor.

Fedor never fought under USADA, and he fought in an organization that encouraged fighters to dope, and he comes from a country with government sponsored doping programs.

Are you just going to take him at his word that he never doped? Come on, son. The best answer is we don't know. So, the logical progression is to either (1) not dismiss fighters based on USADA results or (2) only include fighters who are under the USADA program.

 

[JBJISGOAT]

If a dude has been fighting for 18 years, nobody should be surprised he was better his first 10 years than he was in his last 8.

lol for not being a huge fedor fan…you sure as hell spend all of your time white knighting.

And my post was just facts. Sorry it negates your agenda.

PEDS clearly helped him the first 10 years.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Fedor never fought under USADA, and he fought in an organization that encouraged fighters to dope, and he comes from a country with government sponsored doping programs.

Are you just going to take him at his word that he never doped? Come on, son. The best answer is we don't know. So, the logical progression is to either (1) not dismiss fighters based on USADA results or (2) only include fighters who are under the USADA program.

No MMA orgs had USADA back then.

A lot of people were doping and it was mostly an even playing field but only two guys that went 10 years undefeated and that is Fedor and Aldo.

 

[3sumrock]

The second Coleman fight was in Las Vegas at PRIDE 32 Real Deal. It had NSAC drug testing. Same as UFC drug testing at the time.

There were definitely drug tests for that event because Vitor Belfort and Nastula tested positive at that event.

Fedor was also tested in Affliction where guys like Barnett failed whereas Fedor passed.

And in Strikeforce, Bellator and Sambo he was constantly tested.

I don't know if he was always clean but he definitely passed many drug tests and even asked for strict testing in Strikeforce.

NSAC and affliction drug test?

And Coleman was like 41 in the second fight
There's 2 fight in affliction and one of them is against Arlovski were arlovski was easily kicking fedor ass before the ko.
Strikeforce? Fedor was getting his ass destroys in strikeforce.
Sambo drug test?

 

[cambo78]

Lol stop…

4-4 under testing. 32-1 under no testing.

Fought in pride.

Russian.

Anyways, answer to op’s question is GSP.

You're referring to a guy that fought outside of the U.S for the first 7 years of his career, then came to the U.S and won 3 in a row, then lost 3 in a row, then won 3 in row, RETIRED for 3 years, and then came back to the U.S and lost? Sounds more like a fighter that's gradually fallen out of their prime.

 

[3sumrock]

You're referring to a guy that fought outside of the U.S for the first 7 years of his career, then came to the U.S and won 3 in a row, then lost 3 in a row, then won 3 in row, RETIRED, and then came back to the U.S and lost? Sounds more like a fighter that's gradually fallen out of their prime.

more like fedor fought better fighters and was drug tested

 

[cambo78]

Sound more like fedor fought better fighters and was drug tested

Sylvia and Arlovski were ranked when he fought them in the U.S

 

[cambo78]

Fedor never fought under USADA, and he fought in an organization that encouraged fighters to dope, and he comes from a country with government sponsored doping programs.

Are you just going to take him at his word that he never doped? Come on, son. The best answer is we don't know. So, the logical progression is to either (1) not dismiss fighters based on USADA results or (2) only include fighters who are under the USADA program.

Did you read my original post?

If your basis for "clean" is "never being popped", then Fedor.

 

[3sumrock]

Sylvia and Arlovski were ranked when he fought them in the U.S

Sylvia was 1-4 when he fought fedor.
And arlovski was kicking fedor ass before the ko

 

[Typrune Goatley]

NSAC and affliction drug test?

And Coleman was like 41 in the second fight
There's 2 fight in affliction and one if then is against Arlovski were arlovski was easily kicking fedor ass before the ko.
Strikeforce? Fedor was getting his ass destroys in strikeforce.
Sambo drug test?

Ok...

Where else was he supposed to fight and make millions of dollars?

None of the other orgs had USADA back then.

PRIDE, Affliction and Strikeforce also all had better HWs than the UFC. The UFC was second rate until like 2011 to 2013 when they acquired the Strikeforce talent.

 

[cambo78]

Sylvia was 1-4 when he fought fedor.
And arlovski was kicking fedor ass before the ko

That has "what" to do with both of them being "ranked"??? Plus, Sylvia was 2-2 before he fought Fedor, not 1-4

 

[Poirierfan]

Since I live 30 minutes from Daniel Cormier's home town, I'm gonna go with him. I'm not being bias In the slightest.

 

[3sumrock]

Ok...

Where else was he supposed to fight and make millions of dollars?

None of the other orgs had USADA back then.

PRIDE, Affliction and Strikeforce also all had better HWs than the UFC. The UFC was second rate until like 2011 to 2013 when they acquired the Strikeforce talent.

Sure it has better hw but fedor never fight them
And you can never say fedor is clean if he never been drug tested.the funny thing is when fedor fought in us and drug tested,he start losing and getting destroy

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Sylvia was 1-4 when he fought fedor.
And arlovski was kicking fedor ass before the ko

Wrong and wrong. Quit trolling.

Sylvia was 2-2 when he fought Fedor. Those 2 losses were to Randy and Nog in UFC title fights. Sylvia was 24-4 and the #4 HW in the world.

Arlovski only landed like 6 strikes on Fedor and got KTFO in 3 minutes.

You just keep making the case for Fedor GOAT

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Sure it has better hw but fedor never fight them
And you can never say fedor is clean if he never been drug tested.the funny thing is when fedor fought in us and drug tested,he start losing and getting destroy

Never fought them? Fedor has twice as many top ranked wins as Stipe and Cain and your UFC heroes.

We don't know if he was clean or juicing but we don't know about anybody. JDS, Rothwell, Barnett, Reem, Brock, Jones all actually got caught with drugs in their system.

A lot of people were using back then so everything was fair game. Fedor was the best for almost a whole decade.

He did not start losing as soon as he started getting tested. He won his first 4 fights in America being tested. Quit lying

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

Coleman fight is in pride and other than Sylvia,fedor look like shit against arlovski and rogers

Yeah, he looked terrible against Arlovski

lol

 

[3sumrock]

Wrong and wrong. Quit trolling.

Sylvia was 2-2 when he fought Fedor. Those 2 losses were to Randy and Nog in UFC title fights. Sylvia was 24-4 and the #4 HW in the world.

Arlovski only landed like 6 strikes on Fedor and got KTFO in 3 minutes.

You just keep making the case for Fedor GOAT

Sure Sylvia was 2-2 but it doesn't change the fact that he look like shit and off roid
"Arlovski only landed like 6 strikes on fedor"
You mean landed like 6 leg kicks on fedor?

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

lol for not being a huge fedor fan…you sure as hell spend all of your time white knighting.

And my post was just facts. Sorry it negates your agenda.

PEDS clearly helped him the first 10 years.

How did PEDs clearly help him the first 10 years?


Was he the only one that was allowed to use steroids or something? lol

 

[3sumrock]

Never fought them? Fedor has twice as many top ranked wins as Stipe and Cain and your UFC heroes.

We don't know if he was clean or juicing but we don't know about anybody. JDS, Rothwell, Barnett, Reem, Brock, Jones all actually got caught with drugs in their system.

A lot of people were using back then so everything was fair game. Fedor was the best for almost a whole decade.

He did not start losing as soon as he started getting tested. He won his first 4 fights in America being tested. Quit lying

> still post no proof answer reason to believe that fedor was clean
i said fedor never fought and beat elite hw when he got drug tested

 

[Kertol]

GSP easily