When did Jon Jones became a draw?

[acannxr]

could come back to destroy everyone.

In 4 years, which makes this thread pretty irrelevant.

 

[IBeLurkin]

In 4 years, which makes this thread pretty irrelevant.

Source?

Oh yeah, you're just guessing.

Cool

 

[pick999]

Jones needs a big name rival else nobody wants to pay $60 to watch him dominate. Hence why he and DC did so well, and if Rumble would have made it to a title shot, probably would have sold well too.

dc doesnt do 900k other than jones

 

[acannxr]

Source?

Oh yeah, you're just guessing.

Cool

1. Mir got two years as a first time offender for the same substance.
2. USADA doubles the suspension length for second time offenders (a la Anderson Silva getting 1 year for a tainted supplement instead of the normal 6 months).
3. Jones lied about his USADA-mandated tutorials and had his signature forged.
4. Jones lied on his supplement control form.

2 years (first time offender precedent) * Double Suspension (second time offender precedent) - 0 Leniency (lied about tutorials and supplements) = 4 years

Delusional fans ignore precedent.
Conspiracy theorists ignore that USADA makes most of its money outside of the UFC, so bribery wouldn't be worth it for them.

 

[MrSkin]

 

[IBeLurkin]

In relevance to Jones' ruling?

Which hasn't happened?

C'mon dude, we all know this hasn't happened yet. Stop slam dunking without the ball

 

[Dbreiden83080]

He is a pretty good draw, I would not say he is a massive draw. But when you compare him to what’s in the company right now he is pretty big. Like most he needs a good dance partner.

 

[surrealworlds]

How are you going to list the relevant numbers but leave Jon jones out in a thread about Jones? Other than that i approve of this message.

He's not....No matter how much the UFC tried to make him a draw, the Young White American Male UFC fanbase, never accepted him thus his PPV numbers were crap unless it was Black on Black Crime....Which the Young White American Male UFC fanbase loves.


They hated him from the start...He was against pot...He then beat their boy shogun and the hate never stopped.


UFC lacks so many stars right now, that they still think they can turn Jones into the next muhammad ali, which is what they originally thought.

LOL at the 2 boneheads below. They didnt read the OP and are only responding to the thread title. Look at them ramble on from only the persepective of their bubble

Jones is and never has been a star. Jones isn't even in the top 5



1. Conor McGregor

-UFC 189: McGregor vs Mendes - 825k
-UFC 194: McGregor vs Aldo - 1.025 mil
-UFC 196: McGregor vs Diaz 1 - 1.32 mil
-UFC 202: McGregor vs Diaz 2 - 1.65 mil
-UFC 205: McGregor vs Alvarez - 1.3 mil
* McGregor vs Mayweather - 4.3 mil

Total amount of PPV's sold: 10'420'000(including Mayweather) 6'120'000 (excluding)
Average number of PPV buys: 1'736'666(including Mayweather) 1'224'000 (excluding)

*Very impressive to see the total and average amount of PPV's sold with so little fights in the UFC. McGregor is definitely "P4P' the top draw the UFC has ever had, including or excluding the Mayweather fight.


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2. George St-Pierre

-UFC 65: GSP vs Hughes - 500k
-UFC 69: GSP vs Serra 1 - 400k
-UFC 74: Couture vs Gonzaga - 520k
-UFC 79: GSP vs Hughes 3 - 620k
-UFC 83: GSP vs Serra 2 - 530k
-UFC 87: GSP vs Fitch - 625k
-UFC 94: GSP vs Penn 2 - 920k
-UFC 100: Lesnar vs Mir 2 - 1.6m
-UFC 111: GSP vs Hardy - 770k
-UFC 124: GSP vs Koscheck - 785k
-UFC 129: GSP vs Shields - 800k
-UFC 154: GSP vs Condit - 700k
-UFC 158: GSP vs Diaz - 950k
-UFC 167: GSP vs Hendricks - 630k
-UFC 217: GSP vs Bisping - 825k

Total amount of PPV's sold: 11'175'00
Average number of PPV buys: 745'000

*George St-Pierre is the fighter who sold the most amount of PPV's at 11.1 mil. GSP is a very consistent draw. If it wasn't for his average number of PPV's being 500k - 1 mil lower to McGregor's, he would be N.1.

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3. Brock Lesnar

-UFC 81: Sylvia vs Nog - 600k
-UFC 87: GSP vs Fitch - 625k
-UFC 91: Lesnar vs Couture - 1.01 mil
-UFC 100: Lesnar vs Mir 2 - 1.6 mil
-UFC 116: Lesnar vs Carwin - 1.06 mil
-UFC 121: Lesnar vs Velasquez - 900k
-UFC 141: Lesnar vs Overeem - 535k
-UFC 200: Tate vs Nunes - 1.01 mil

Total amount of PPV's sold: 7'340'000
Average number of PPV buys: 917'500

*Lesnar takes third. Less PPV's sold than GSP but a higher average.

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4. Ronda Rousey

-UFC 157: Rousey vs Carmouche - 450k
-UFC 168: Silva vs Weidman 2 - 1.02 mil
-UFC 170: Rousey vs McMann - 350k
-UFC 175: Weidman vs Machida - 545k
-UFC 184: Rousey vs Zingano - 600k
-UFC 190: Rousey vs Betch - 900k
-UFC 193: Rousey vs Holms - 1.1 mil
-UFC 207: Rousey vs Nunes - 1.1 mil

Total amount of PPV's sold: 6'065'000
Average number of PPV buys: 758'125

* Another fighter who pullied impressive number for the amount of events fought. Higher average than GSP, but almost half the total amount of PPV's sold.

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5. Anderson Silva

-UFC 64: Silva vs Franklin - 300k
-UFC 67: Silva vs Lutter - 400k
-UFC 73: Ortiz vs Evans - 425k
-UFC 77: Silva vs Franklin 2 - 325k
-UFC 85: Silva vs Henderson - 320k
-UFC 90: Silva vs Cote - 300k
-UFC 97: Silva vs Leites - 670k
-UFC 101: Penn vs Florian - 850k
-UFC 112: Silva vs Maia - 500k
-UFC 117: Silva vs Sonnen 1 - 600k
-UFC 126: Silva vs Belfort - 725k
-UFC 134: Silva vs Okami - 334k
-UFC 148: Silva vs Sonnen 2 - 925k
-UFC 153: Silva vs Bonnar - 410k
-UFC 162: Silva vs Weidman 1 - 550k
-UFC 168: Silva vs Weidman 2 - 1.02 mil
-UFC 183: Silva vs Diaz - 650k

Total amount of PPV's sold: 9'304'000
Average number of PPV buys: 547'294

*Although his average number of sales is much lower than the fighters above him, he was the main or co-main event on 17 UFC cards



All credit goes to @DatSamboKid for crunching up the numbers

 

[octopus]

When he beat Stephan Bonner at such a young age doing all types of slick shit during the fight... that put him on people's radar...

My uncle and all his middle aged friends who aren't into combat sports were going NUTS.... called me as the fight ended to ask if I saw that crazy son of gun and let me know that they coined the phrase SPINNING BLACK FIST! It was hilarious hearing em all hyped up.

 

[rakeleaves]

LOL at the 2 boneheads below. They didnt read the OP and are only responding to the thread title. Look at them ramble on from only the persepective of their bubble

Jones is and never has been a star. Jones isn't even in the top 5



1. Conor McGregor

-UFC 189: McGregor vs Mendes - 825k
-UFC 194: McGregor vs Aldo - 1.025 mil
-UFC 196: McGregor vs Diaz 1 - 1.32 mil
-UFC 202: McGregor vs Diaz 2 - 1.65 mil
-UFC 205: McGregor vs Alvarez - 1.3 mil
* McGregor vs Mayweather - 4.3 mil

Total amount of PPV's sold: 10'420'000(including Mayweather) 6'120'000 (excluding)
Average number of PPV buys: 1'736'666(including Mayweather) 1'224'000 (excluding)

*Very impressive to see the total and average amount of PPV's sold with so little fights in the UFC. McGregor is definitely "P4P' the top draw the UFC has ever had, including or excluding the Mayweather fight.


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2. George St-Pierre

-UFC 65: GSP vs Hughes - 500k
-UFC 69: GSP vs Serra 1 - 400k
-UFC 74: Couture vs Gonzaga - 520k
-UFC 79: GSP vs Hughes 3 - 620k
-UFC 83: GSP vs Serra 2 - 530k
-UFC 87: GSP vs Fitch - 625k
-UFC 94: GSP vs Penn 2 - 920k
-UFC 100: Lesnar vs Mir 2 - 1.6m
-UFC 111: GSP vs Hardy - 770k
-UFC 124: GSP vs Koscheck - 785k
-UFC 129: GSP vs Shields - 800k
-UFC 154: GSP vs Condit - 700k
-UFC 158: GSP vs Diaz - 950k
-UFC 167: GSP vs Hendricks - 630k
-UFC 217: GSP vs Bisping - 825k

Total amount of PPV's sold: 11'175'00
Average number of PPV buys: 745'000

*George St-Pierre is the fighter who sold the most amount of PPV's at 11.1 mil. GSP is a very consistent draw. If it wasn't for his average number of PPV's being 500k - 1 mil lower to McGregor's, he would be N.1.

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3. Brock Lesnar

-UFC 81: Sylvia vs Nog - 600k
-UFC 87: GSP vs Fitch - 625k
-UFC 91: Lesnar vs Couture - 1.01 mil
-UFC 100: Lesnar vs Mir 2 - 1.6 mil
-UFC 116: Lesnar vs Carwin - 1.06 mil
-UFC 121: Lesnar vs Velasquez - 900k
-UFC 141: Lesnar vs Overeem - 535k
-UFC 200: Tate vs Nunes - 1.01 mil

Total amount of PPV's sold: 7'340'000
Average number of PPV buys: 917'500

*Lesnar takes third. Less PPV's sold than GSP but a higher average.

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4. Ronda Rousey

-UFC 157: Rousey vs Carmouche - 450k
-UFC 168: Silva vs Weidman 2 - 1.02 mil
-UFC 170: Rousey vs McMann - 350k
-UFC 175: Weidman vs Machida - 545k
-UFC 184: Rousey vs Zingano - 600k
-UFC 190: Rousey vs Betch - 900k
-UFC 193: Rousey vs Holms - 1.1 mil
-UFC 207: Rousey vs Nunes - 1.1 mil

Total amount of PPV's sold: 6'065'000
Average number of PPV buys: 758'125

* Another fighter who pullied impressive number for the amount of events fought. Higher average than GSP, but almost half the total amount of PPV's sold.

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5. Anderson Silva

-UFC 64: Silva vs Franklin - 300k
-UFC 67: Silva vs Lutter - 400k
-UFC 73: Ortiz vs Evans - 425k
-UFC 77: Silva vs Franklin 2 - 325k
-UFC 85: Silva vs Henderson - 320k
-UFC 90: Silva vs Cote - 300k
-UFC 97: Silva vs Leites - 670k
-UFC 101: Penn vs Florian - 850k
-UFC 112: Silva vs Maia - 500k
-UFC 117: Silva vs Sonnen 1 - 600k
-UFC 126: Silva vs Belfort - 725k
-UFC 134: Silva vs Okami - 334k
-UFC 148: Silva vs Sonnen 2 - 925k
-UFC 153: Silva vs Bonnar - 410k
-UFC 162: Silva vs Weidman 1 - 550k
-UFC 168: Silva vs Weidman 2 - 1.02 mil
-UFC 183: Silva vs Diaz - 650k

Total amount of PPV's sold: 9'304'000
Average number of PPV buys: 547'294

*Although his average number of sales is much lower than the fighters above him, he was the main or co-main event on 17 UFC cards



All credit goes to @DatSamboKid for crunching up the numbers

The question is does Jones draw, not if he is a "star." Outside of Conor, GSP, Ronda, AS and Lesnar, Jones is the next best draw. He is probably a bigger draw than AS in 2018. He did good numbers against Cormier, Rampage and Rashad. Even 300k vs OSP isn't that bad.

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

He's not....No matter how much the UFC tried to make him a draw, the Young White American Male UFC fanbase, never accepted him thus his PPV numbers were crap unless it was Black on Black Crime....Which the Young White American Male UFC fanbase loves.


They hated him from the start...He was against pot...He then beat their boy shogun and the hate never stopped.


UFC lacks so many stars right now, that they still think they can turn Jones into the next muhammad ali, which is what they originally thought.

Lol come on man, you sound just like Jon. Blaming everyone else for his problems.

He spoke out against pot and the hit a pregnant woman and was to concerned with getting caught with his pot that he just ran away.

All the hate he gets is well deserved. He is a bad person that tried to pretend to be a good one.

Nobody was buying his nice guy bullshit, that is why he was never a big sell.

 

[GOATER]

Lol come on man, you sound just like Jon. Blaming everyone else for his problems.

He spoke out against pot and the hit a pregnant woman and was to concerned with getting caught with his pot that he just ran away.

All the hate he gets is well deserved. He is a bad person that tried to pretend to be a good one.

Nobody was buying his nice guy bullshit, that is why he was never a big sell.

Weidman did the exact same shit...He played the "I'm a nice/humble guy who just likes fighting" bit..........and most MMA fans bought into it.


I knew he was fake/cocky as fuck even before he became a crybaby.....Yet MMA fans never suspected him of being fake until his true personality was revealed which I sensed back in 2013 when he beat Anderson Silva.


It's funny how people sensed that on Jon Jones but not on Weidman.....Im sure race didn't play a part at all LMFAO.

 

[IBeLurkin]

Could you maybe show me where Jones got that sentence?
You know, an actual source pertaining to the subject we're discussing, not Frank Mir?

We both know you can't, because there isn't one. But by all means, keep having fun living in your fairytale land sherbro.

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

Weidman did the exact same shit...He played the "I'm a nice/humble guy who just likes fighting" bit..........and most MMA fans bought into it.


I knew he was fake/cocky as fuck even before he became a crybaby.....Yet MMA fans never suspected him of being fake until his true personality was revealed which I sensed back in 2013 when he beat Anderson Silva.


It's funny how people sensed that on Jon Jones but not on Weidman.....Im sure race didn't play a part at all LMFAO.

When has Weidman ever been more of a draw than Jones?

No one bought his bullshit either and now nobody likes the guy except his most diehard fanboys.

Muhammad Ali, Floyd Maywheather and Bruce Lee are the three most famous fighters of all time, none of them are white.

Conor is the first white person to reach this height. Brock has reached it as well but I don’t consider him a fighter.

The whole reason Jones isn’t a huge draw is because he is a very unlikeable person, not unlike Weidman.