Was Greg Hardy really that popular in American Football?

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  1. Johnny_Knuckles

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    Why? Because the US isn’t even in the top 10 of tallest nations.

    You think that footballers are generally the size of Messi? No, that’s why insecure people like to bring up his height.

    And it’s an absolute joke to imply that possibly the best footballer ever is ‘unathletic’ because of his height. Especially when footballers on average run further and faster than their American counterparts. Yeah, American footballers will generally be bigger, which doesn’t simpy translate to being more ‘athletic’.
    And this makes complete sense because they are too vastly different sports, for example American footballers don’t have to run as far, where the increased body weight would obviously be a problem, and they also actively bash into each other.

    The ‘best’ rugby players aren’t going to be crossing over to American football, so that isn’t really a good representation, not to mention that there are British players in the NFL despite the sport having like zero traction in the UK.

    For some people athleticism simply translates to big guy that can run short distances.
     
  2. Johnny_Knuckles

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    Curious, it’s interesting that the average height in the uk is taller than the us.
    I’m guessing that you haven’t ever made it out of your state.
     
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    AimedWithV Wound in the Force

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    Oh. That's more than UFC champion can say about himself. That's popularity...
     
  4. Taric

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    He played for the Dallas Cowboys so that instantly makes him a known guy.
    He wasn't a huge superstar though. He isn't JJ Watt or Von Miller.
     
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    AimedWithV Wound in the Force

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    I read that Dallas Cowboys is the 2nd most expensive sports club in the world, after Manchester United

    So he's used to huge paydays, huh? Interesting - no way he gets it grom the UFC, otherwise they would never put him on DWTNCS.

    Looks like he's desperate...
     
  6. SeattleFightFan

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    he's like Richie Incognito. he was good enough that some (but not all) hardcore NFL fans knew who he was, but almost no non hardcore NFL fans did, until the controversy.

    and then after their respective controversies, all NFL and most ESPN watching sports fans knew them.

    my guess is you (TS) have never heard of Richie Incognito either.

    but even before the controversy, Hardy was exponentially more well known for his NFL career than Mitrione.
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    but the excitement isn't about Hardy the individual. it's about any better-than-most NFL player migrating to NFL. huge strong dude who has proven he's a great athlete and can work out hard comes to MMA? what's not to like (other than the controversy, of course).

    in the 1970's and prior, the biggest strongest most athletic Samoa's all went to rugby. in the 80's they started going to American Football, because of the college scholarship, and potential for a big NFL payday. today, Samoan rugby suffers. that's what money can do. if some of these guys go to MMA, it can only improve the sport. not my best comparison ever, but i hope you get the gist.
     
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    There’s no money in mma though, at least not readily available for anyone but a few of the best fighters. Now boxing at the top is better than mma at the top so I would go there.
     
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    faster? lol the fastest soccer player in the world would be one of the slowest players on a football field. for Example Ronaldo has recorded a 3.61s 25m dash, extrapolating out to a 40y dash (which is what NFL players run) would put him at around 4.6 to 4.7, by comparison, offensive lineman Brian O'Neill ran a 4.82. For a skill position ronaldo would be near the bottom of the barrel for 40 yard times.

    this is brian o'neil 6'7", 297lb
    [​IMG]
     
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    He was an All-Pro, definitely a superstar at his position.
     
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    no there isn't. and that's why folks are so exciting that a very good NFL player is trying MMA.

    i'm not saying this is a game changer. to take my bad comparison one step further, he is no Junior Seau, with legions of others following in his footsteps. it's just that it's excitement inducing.
     
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    Arguably the best ever at his position.
     
  12. Andre Xiong

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    His odds at succeeding in boxing are extremely low compared to mma where his size and athleticism alone when paired with grappling (let’s assume tackle football helps with takedowns) and 5 ounce gloves (punchers Chance vs boxing gloves)
     
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    Oh and here we are comparing the best college soccer players to the best college football players:
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    2017 MLS Combine Vertical Jump top 10
    1. Chris Odoi-Atsem Maryland D 36.5
    2. Miles Robinson Syracuse D 34.5
    Jakob Nerwinski UConn D 34.5
    4. Niko Hansen New Mexico F 33.5
    5. Marcus Epps USF F 32.5
    Nick Depuy UCSB F 32.5
    Jonathan Lewis Akron M 32.5
    8. Guillermo Delgado Delaware F 32
    9. Aaron Jones Clemson D 31
    Ethan Kutler Colgate F 31

    NFL Combine Vertical Jump top 10
    1
    STERRELL EDMUNDSVIRGINIA TECH
    41.5

    1
    TEMIKE GESICKIPENN ST.
    41.5

    1
    SJOSHUA KALUNEBRASKA
    41.5

    1
    OLBMATTHEW THOMASFLORIDA ST
    41.5

    5

    STROY APKEPENN ST.
    41.0

    5

    RBSAQUON BARKLEYPENN ST
    41.0

    7
    SIRAN NEALJACKSONVILLE ST
    40.5

    7
    CBCHANDON SULLIVANGEORGIA STATE
    40.5

    9
    WRD.J. CHARKLSU
    40.0

    9
    SDERWIN JAMESFLORIDA ST.
    40.0

    9
    RBKERRYON JOHNSONAUBURN
    40.0

    9

    RBBO SCARBROUGHALABAMA
    40.0
     
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    Brain damage in combination with steroid use.
     
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    That article is trash lol, you are comparing electronically timed NFL combine from a dead stop and only 40 yards total, to running start calculated by using the video for distance a stop watch. utter garbage. of course their averg km/hr will be slower if it's from a dead stop you dumbass.
     
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    The qualifier was noted dumbass, and well done if an NFL player could be 0.1 of a second faster when running 40 fucking yards hahaha.

    Footballers actually have to have endurance as well as explosiveness.
     
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    .1 faster? wtf are you talking about

    If you want to use that shitty way to measure then compare to in game speeds of players, note, this is with pads and carrying the ball, so it would be even faster in soccer gear LOL
    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...hill-desean-jackson/kyiv7jxdwbyk1efeni8z4np01

    Tyreek Hill - 37.4 km/hr
    Desean Jacking 36.4 km/hr
    Holton 35.7 km/hr

    Those three alone just randomly selected from one year are faster than the 6 FASTEST EVER soccer players you posted, absolute joke. Nearly every skill position in the NFL can hit 22m/h at top speed which is 35 km/h
     
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    It’s not hard to bust your load in game when you only do it like twice in the entire 3 hour match.
     
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    keep moving the goal post, soccer players like ronaldo spend over 75% of the match walking around or jogging and he literally sprints as many times as a running back or wide receiver who average 1.5 miles per game of SPRINTING FULL SPEED. nearly every skill position player in the NFL (running back, wide receivers, defensive backs) can hit 22 mph top speed which is 35.4 km/h.
     
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