International United States and it's illegal occupation of Syria.

[Fox by the Sea]

America should just drop the whole "we are the good guys!" shtick since nobody believes it anymore, and just go full roman.
-occupy Saudi Arabia and confiscate all the resources and kick out those saudi leeches
- occupy as much of Africa as possible and replace the whole corrupt political leadership with its corrupt political leadership and just put everybody to work building roads and sewage and schools and hospitals.
- make the entire latin america a protectorate growing food under the leadership of Argentina.
-fuck off from europe and we'll join EU with Russia and kick ass all over Asia, and put the japanese in charge there for us.
-then, just focus on the space race and collaborate towards that goal.

there, world peace.

 

[Rholk]

Are you trying to say Syria does not have a right to defend itself against a foreign invader? Which part of international law says you cannot defend yourself against a foreign invader?

Not saying it's against international law to attack an invader, altho i'm quite sure mass murdering your own population might be, so i won't feel too bad about it.
But for some reason you think the US is going to sit back and let their own servicemen get attacked without a response, which just seems a bit naive.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

It's absolutely astonishing that the American people are tolerating the US governments endless spending and military interventionism, especially considering most people in the country are struggling monetarily and inflation is at an all time high

Who needs health care and infrastructure? The rich gotta get richer.

Seriously though, it is utterly ridiculous that so many Americans support these foreign interventions which just create more danger for the average American, while providing no benefit except to the oil barons, MIC, and the politicians who break the rules for them (looking at you Dick Cheney, "adviser" for Genie Energy).

 

[The XL]

Not saying it's against international law to attack an invader, altho i'm quite sure mass murdering your own population might be, so i won't feel to bad about it.
But for some reason you think the US is going to sit back and let their own servicemen get attacked without a response, which just seems a bit naive.

How about not having them there to be attacked in the first place. Just a thought

 

[mkess101]

In the real world, how would US isolationism work currently. Like if we straight up said "We aren't meddling anymore. We'll still spend a shitload on our military but it will be all defensive. We're shutting down most of our foreign bases, parking all our carriers off our own coasts in our waters, you're all on your own."

What would the actual fallout be? Would the world be a better or worse place? More or less stable?

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

Not saying it's against international law to attack an invader, altho i'm quite sure mass murdering your own population might be, so i won't feel too bad about it.
But for some reason you think the US is going to sit back and let their own servicemen get attacked without a response, which just seems a bit naive.

An easier way for them to not "get attacked", which is an idiotic way of putting it as they are the attacker, would be to actually take their army out of Syria and go the fuck home. And then they wouldn't be "attacked" anymore.

Mass murdering a population? Aren't you in the Israel/Palestine thread defending Israel murdering thousands of kids? Maybe you guys could try stopping that if you're so worried about mass murder all of a sudden.

 

[Rholk]

An easier way for them to not "get attacked", which is an idiotic way of putting it as they are the attacker, would be to actually take their army out of Syria and go the fuck home. And then they wouldn't be "attacked" anymore.

Mass murdering a population? Aren't you in the Israel/Palestine thread defending Israel murdering thousands of kids? Maybe you guys could try stopping that if you're so worried about mass murder all of a sudden.

Well yeah, leaving would generally be the easy option in any situation.
Then again, in the north-eastern part of Syria they're merely supporting the Kurds, who seem quite happy the US is there.
And in the south they're at a good location to support operations regarding Israel, which seems to be the ally in the region.

Oh, i'm in no way defending the murder the alledged murder of thousands of kids, largely because that number is coming from Hamas, who happen to also claim that the percentage of Hamas fighters killed is pretty much 0 so far.
Still, there is no denying alot of innocent people are dying in the war in Israel. And that's terrible.
But personally i think that Hamas (and affiliates) are responsible for those deaths. They purposely set up shop near critical/civillian infrastructure to maximize the amount of innocent people that die.
That doesn't mean Israel has a carte blanche to bomb everything they see fit, if there are instances of them purposely bombing civillians without any Hamas targets among them, it should be investigated.

"But but the IDF doesn't have to use their airforce to bomb them"
Yeah they do, you can't expect Israel to sacrifice 10's of thousands of soldiers in the hopes of minimizing collateral damage,
For Israel this is an existential war, not some optional war on the other side of the globe, like the war on terror has largely been.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

Well yeah, leaving would generally be the easy option in any situation.
Then again, in the north-eastern part of Syria they're merely supporting the Kurds, who seem quite happy the US is there.
And in the south they're at a good location to support operations regarding Israel, which seems to be the ally in the region.

Oh, i'm in no way defending the murder the alledged murder of thousands of kids, largely because that number is coming from Hamas, who happen to also claim that the percentage of Hamas fighters killed is pretty much 0 so far.
Still, there is no denying alot of innocent people are dying in the war in Israel. And that's terrible.
But personally i think that Hamas (and affiliates) are responsible for those deaths. They purposely set up shop near critical/civillian infrastructure to maximize the amount of innocent people that die.
That doesn't mean Israel has a carte blanche to bomb everything they see fit, if there are instances of them purposely bombing civillians without any Hamas targets among them, it should be investigated.

"But but the IDF doesn't have to use their airforce to bomb them"
Yeah they do, you can't expect Israel to sacrifice 10's of thousands of soldiers in the hopes of minimizing collateral damage,
For Israel this is an existential war, not some optional war on the other side of the globe, like the war on terror has largely been.

You seem to be repeatedly glossing over the fact that the American army have no right to be there, even if they were just "merely supporting the Kurds or "at a good location to support operations regarding Israel" and hadn't actually been trying to aggressively overthrow the government until Russia stepped in.

 

[oldshadow]

I say pull our people out and let the chips fall where they may. I don't care if they kill each other that's their problem.

That said if they fuck with the US or support or give aid to groups that fuck with US citizens they should be told we will fuck them up. Not invade but level every support or military facility in their country.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

In early 2009, when the Obama administration assumed responsibility for the unfinished wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, many of the new president's supporters were "surprised and dismayed" when U.S. policy toward either war did not change dramatically. Foreign Affairs editor Gideon Rose explains that, in fact, "wars are difficult to close out even when they are started well, and mistakes at the beginning complicate the job exponentially, no matter who is in charge later on."

In How Wars End: Why We Always Fight the Last Battle, Rose asserts that leaders are often focused on defeating the enemy and find it difficult to switch gears and construct a stable political environment in the aftermath. For instance, in the early stages of the Afghanistan war, a memo was sent to then secretary of defense Donald H. Rumsfeld stating that the United States government "should not allow concerns about stability to paralyze U.S. efforts to oust the Taliban leadership.... Nation-building is not our key strategic goal."

Rose attributes this to an "inherently flawed" clear-division-of-labor approach to war, in which policymakers deal with political matters and military leaders with military matters. In fact, "political issues can permeate every aspect of war," he says.

Such confusion stems from an incomplete understanding of the nature of war: "Wars actually have two equally important aspects. One is negative, or coercive; this is the part about fighting, about beating up the bad guys. The other is positive, and is all about politics. And this is the part that, as in Iraq, is usually overlooked or misunderstood," writes Rose.

While this might seem like common sense, he writes, "in war, as in life more generally, common sense is actually quite uncommon." Surveying the endgames of six U.S. wars from World War I to Iraq, Rose finds:

• "Woodrow Wilson fought a war to make the world safe for democracy but never asked himself what democracy actually meant and whether, say, a constitutional monarchy in Germany would fit the bill." A generation later the United States found itself once again "dragged into a battle against an aggressive German regime and its partners";
• Franklin Roosevelt "resolved not to repeat Wilson's mistakes but never considered what would happen to his own elaborate post-World War II arrangements should the United States' wartime marriage of convenience with Joseph Stalin break up after the shooting stopped." In the aftermath, the administration realized that even a "complete transformation of Germany would not be sufficient to guarantee peace in Europe," as a new threat was forming from the Soviet Union;
• The Truman administration casually established "voluntary prisoner repatriation" as a key American war aim in Korea—thinking that no prisoners should be repatriated against their will—"but never thought how many prisoners might grab the option and whether it would block an armistice, which it did for almost a year and a half." (Forty-five percent of the United Nations' casualties during the war occurred after negotiations began: "more than 124,000 of them, including 9,000 Americans, came during that period when prisoner repatriation was the sole contested issue");
• "The Kennedy and Johnson administrations dug themselves deeper and deeper into Vietnam without any plans for how to get out," making it impossible for the Nixon and Ford administrations to escape unscathed;
• "George H. W. Bush assumed Saddam Hussein would fall as a result of defeat in the Gulf War, but did little planning for how to achieve that outcome or what would happen if it didn't occur";
• "When the [George W. Bush] administration toppled Saddam, the "United States was left presiding over a country rapidly spinning out of control, with officials having no plans or resources for what to do next. Liberation turned into occupation; local ambivalence into insurgency and then civil war."

Rose argues that the crucial test for Obama and his successors "will be not simply whether they can muddle through the struggles that were bequeathed, but whether they can avoid making major mistakes themselves in the wars that will follow down the road."

He concludes, "If new generations of wartime policymakers fail to think clearly about what they are doing and stumble badly once again, they will have nobody to blame but themselves.... For them, exercising prudence when deciding how to spend the blood and treasure of their fellow citizens is not an option; it's a moral obligation."

https://www.cfr.org/book/how-wars-end

- In my opinion of a persons that isn't a expert on war, i think the wars are fought almost like they were fought centuries ago. Whitout think in advance, what will happens when a new "adversary" shows up. If you beat someone, strip them of all the dignity, you cant
complain when they fight back!

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I often wonder how many Sherdoggers could point to Syria or any other MENA country on a map.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Biden's America

Biden's Syria in point of fact.

 

[Rational Poster]

America should just drop the whole "we are the good guys!" shtick since nobody believes it anymore, and just go full roman.
-occupy Saudi Arabia and confiscate all the resources and kick out those saudi leeches
- occupy as much of Africa as possible and replace the whole corrupt political leadership with its corrupt political leadership and just put everybody to work building roads and sewage and schools and hospitals.
- make the entire latin america a protectorate growing food under the leadership of Argentina.
-fuck off from europe and we'll join EU with Russia and kick ass all over Asia, and put the japanese in charge there for us.
-then, just focus on the space race and collaborate towards that goal.

there, world peace.

Cool fan fiction

 

[Hog-train]

Oh, i'm in no way defending the murder the alledged murder of thousands of kids, largely because that number is coming from Hamas, who happen to also claim that the percentage of Hamas fighters killed is pretty much 0 so far.
Still, there is no denying alot of innocent people are dying in the war in Israel. And that's terrible.

Yea but simple math will tell you a lot of kids have died. 47.5% of the Gaza population are under 18 years old. It's pretty evident thousands have died, so a lot of kids have died. Pretty simple logical conclusion really.

 

[gonads20]

America should just drop the whole "we are the good guys!" shtick since nobody believes it anymore, and just go full roman.
-occupy Saudi Arabia and confiscate all the resources and kick out those saudi leeches
- occupy as much of Africa as possible and replace the whole corrupt political leadership with its corrupt political leadership and just put everybody to work building roads and sewage and schools and hospitals.
- make the entire latin america a protectorate growing food under the leadership of Argentina.
-fuck off from europe and we'll join EU with Russia and kick ass all over Asia, and put the japanese in charge there for us.
-then, just focus on the space race and collaborate towards that goal.

there, world peace.

This. The world cant be ruled by playing nice.

 

[Blayt7hh]

An easier way for them to not "get attacked", which is an idiotic way of putting it as they are the attacker, would be to actually take their army out of Syria and go the fuck home. And then they wouldn't be "attacked" anymore.

Mass murdering a population? Aren't you in the Israel/Palestine thread defending Israel murdering thousands of kids? Maybe you guys could try stopping that if you're so worried about mass murder all of a sudden.

Same question can be thrown back at you. Why are you OK with it in this case? I think we all know it’s your unhealthy obsession with hatred for America which drives your every opinion <45>

 

[Blayt7hh]

America should just drop the whole "we are the good guys!" shtick since nobody believes it anymore, and just go full roman.
-occupy Saudi Arabia and confiscate all the resources and kick out those saudi leeches
- occupy as much of Africa as possible and replace the whole corrupt political leadership with its corrupt political leadership and just put everybody to work building roads and sewage and schools and hospitals.
- make the entire latin america a protectorate growing food under the leadership of Argentina.
-fuck off from europe and we'll join EU with Russia and kick ass all over Asia, and put the japanese in charge there for us.
-then, just focus on the space race and collaborate towards that goal.

there, world peace.

Mostly like, but I think we should just go ahead and take Europe too

 

[Gas121]

The US is like a flying bird. They just take a shit on you when they feel like it every now and then. ‘Hey folks just taking a quick dump on your garden if you don’t mind’.

 

[jefferz]

Yes they are shooting at the US military, hence the response.
The military that helped the Kurdish militias do the heavy lifting when it came to defeating ISIS, you know after the Iranian ally set a good chunk of extremists free to discredit the opposition.

Let’s not forget about ol Cheeto Bandito getting a bunch of ISIS fighters out of jail. 5000 of them.

 

[Cole train]

America should just drop the whole "we are the good guys!" shtick since nobody believes it anymore, and just go full roman.
-occupy Saudi Arabia and confiscate all the resources and kick out those saudi leeches
- occupy as much of Africa as possible and replace the whole corrupt political leadership with its corrupt political leadership and just put everybody to work building roads and sewage and schools and hospitals.
- make the entire latin america a protectorate growing food under the leadership of Argentina.
-fuck off from europe and we'll join EU with Russia and kick ass all over Asia, and put the japanese in charge there for us.
-then, just focus on the space race and collaborate towards that goal.

there, world peace.