The WWE dropped the ball with MVP

[Dusty Rhodes]

I definitely stopped watching WWE in like 2006-2010 because of guys like MVP.

 

[gspieler]

I thought he was decent IC-level heel. Never saw him as working on top, though. Though in an era when the Miz gets a ME push, I don't know what standards to go by.

 

[deezy]

You'd think all these guys who they dropped the ball on, would go out and show everyone how wrong they were by becoming major stars by themselves.

 

[SocraticMethod]

I didn't watch much when MVP was around. With the Network I've seen more of him than I ever did at the time and nothing about him impresses me.

 

[Amerikuracana]

He has talent. Had upper mid card written all over.

 

[44nutman]

If Hogan did not bury him, he could have been the GOAT.

 

[TKing]

I remember hearing him not being able to travel overseas really hurt him also. I was actually a fan, the over the top intros and all were fun for tv. He got stuck with the dreaded Overdrive finisher though. His VIP lounge with Triple H as a guest is a very underrated segment they both looked like they had legit fun doing that bit.

 

[gspieler]

You'd think all these guys who they dropped the ball on, would go out and show everyone how wrong they were by becoming major stars by themselves.

For the past 16 years, there's only been one major platform to become a big star. TNA or ROH have never produced a household name.

If Hogan did not bury him, he could have been the GOAT.

When did Hogan bury MVP, and over what? Can't imagine those would've interacted much, if at all, given the timeline of their respective careers.

 

[deezy]

For the past 16 years, there's only been one major platform to become a big star. TNA or ROH have never produced a household name.



When did Hogan bury MVP, and over what? Can't imagine those would've interacted much, if at all, given the timeline of their respective careers.

Wrong.....Wrong....Wrong.

Some nobody from TNA who wasn't even treated like a star by that company went to Japan and in a year was the hottest stars when he debuted In wwe.

 

[gspieler]

Wrong.....Wrong....Wrong.

Some nobody from TNA who wasn't even treated like a star by that company went to Japan and in a year was the hottest stars when he debuted In wwe.

Even if that is true, Styles is arguably the best today. He is an outlier, even among good talent. Only hardcore (American) fans knew who he was before he got to the E. In the post-Attitude Era, no one is becoming a household name, without going through the E st some point.

 

[deezy]

Even if that is true, Styles is arguably the best today. He is an outlier, even among good talent. Only hardcore (American) fans knew who he was before he got to the E. In the post-Attitude Era, no one is becoming a household name, without going through the E st some point.

An outlier is the definition of what a STAR is.....It's that intangible IT factor you always hear about.

If you have it, it doesn't matter where the hell you are, you are going to get noticed and if you can't do it in the big leagues, and can't do it elsewhere......Nobody dropped the ball on them, they didn't have the ball to begin with.

 

[44nutman]

For the past 16 years, there's only been one major platform to become a big star. TNA or ROH have never produced a household name.



When did Hogan bury MVP, and over what? Can't imagine those would've interacted much, if at all, given the timeline of their respective careers.

ITs a joke.
IF you listen to Podcasts, wrestlers from Hogan's time always blame Hogan for holding them back. Like I said it is a joke.

 

[gspieler]

An outlier is the definition of what a STAR is.....It's that intangible IT factor you always hear about.

If you have it, it doesn't matter where the hell you are, you are going to get noticed and if you can't do it in the big leagues, and can't do it elsewhere......Nobody dropped the ball on them, they didn't have the ball to begin with.

You mean like the way Reigns has "IT", that makes him so popular?

 

[deezy]

You mean like the way Reigns has "IT", that makes him so popular?

Let's see......Does the audience go silent when he's around?

No, but thanks for being the 890th person to go after an av because you had a wrong opinion.

 

[gspieler]

Let's see......Does the audience go silent when he's around?

No, but thanks for being the 890th person to go after an av because you had a wrong opinion.

 

[aizen00]

MVP was a great in-ring performer and could've been one of WWE's biggest stars. He was also charismatic and had huge levels of heat when he was a heel. Why didn't WWE give him the world title reign he deserved?

Hell no! He was never that good.

 

[Kforcer]

An outlier is the definition of what a STAR is.....It's that intangible IT factor you always hear about.

If you have it, it doesn't matter where the hell you are, you are going to get noticed and if you can't do it in the big leagues, and can't do it elsewhere......Nobody dropped the ball on them, they didn't have the ball to begin with.

I disagree. Promoters and bookers are imperfect.

Looking back at most shoot-style organizations, it is actually rare for the most fondly remembered and must watched workers to have been those that were most pushed at the time. For example, Sakuraba's series of matches with Tamura as well as his bouts with Ohtani and Kanemoto are amongst the most highly thought of and most re-watched UWFi bouts. But Sakuraba only became a main eventer as the promotion was closing its doors. Tamura is rare in terms of a guy with a main event push whose matches from that era are amongst the most beloved.

WCW isn't so different, really, in terms of the glass ceiling it had. So many of the most acclaimed matches and most lauded performers were mid-carders and sometimes less than that.

Promoters and bookers have their own agendas and insights, just like everyone else. Sometimes they are great, sometimes not.

 

[deezy]

I disagree. Promoters and bookers are imperfect.

Looking back at most shoot-style organizations, it is actually rare for the most fondly remembered and must watched workers to have been those that were most pushed at the time. For example, Sakuraba's series of matches with Tamura as well as his bouts with Ohtani and Kanemoto are amongst the most highly thought of and most re-watched UWFi bouts. But Sakuraba only became a main eventer as the promotion was closing its doors. Tamura is rare in terms of a guy with a main event push whose matches from that era are amongst the most beloved.

WCW isn't so different, really, in terms of the glass ceiling it had. So many of the most acclaimed matches and most lauded performers were mid-carders and sometimes less than that.

Promoters and bookers have their own agendas and insights, just like everyone else. Sometimes they are great, sometimes not.

Stallone did a softcore porn. If he can overcome that and become a star, than any supposedly talented pro wrestler can overcome a shitty character or not being used well.

 

[Kforcer]

Stallone did a softcore porn. If he can overcome that and become a star, than any supposedly talented pro wrestler can overcome a shitty character or not being used well.

You're conflating two different attributes. A person's talents as a wrestler and their ability to hustle behind the scenes are two separate things. It doesn't mean that it isn't laudable for a wrestler to fight hard for a push but all that is separate from their quality as an in-ring performer or even as a mic-worker. Perhaps the onus is on them to fight for that push, but whether they do or do not isn't necessarily related to to their ability to execute a perfect moonsault or nail a promo.