the odd thing about these thread and others, is you have people w/limited exposure to karate of any kind; arguing w/people w/legitimate and extensive exp in karate adn the people w/a very base knowledge are trying to educate the people w/the extensive knowledge.
i don't comment on muay thai extensively, cus i have a very base knowledge of it; i don't comment on bjj extensively once again i have a base knowledge of it.
i do comment on boxing and karate/tma, cus my dad was a tkd blkblt( old fc style continuous fighting/judo blkblkt) and alot of people i trained w/or sparred were legit blkblts in kyokushin-shotokan-issihin ryu-tkd-wado ryu and kenpo, to name a few. So my karate knowledge is still base; but alot better than most people commenting on it, more importantly i get updates by having legit karate guys watch the fights and explain where and how the tech is found in their art. An the same w/the boxing, i been around alot of boxers, trained boxing (no im not good at it) and had alot of shop talk w/high level amateurs and pro coaches/fighters; so i know what im talking about unlike alot of mma guys w/a passing interest in boxing.
Others here have belts and extensive b/g in tma/karate, yet people who don't are arguing the point w/them based on little to no exp; esp when you consider the people who trained karate are alot better and knowledgeable of it, than the people who are arguing against it are in their chosen arts.
just something odd i noticed
an you can tell people w/legit karate/tma exp; they are the one's not bashing machida or his claim that karate is what makes him eff. Its the same people who don't recognize the frequent karate usage in gsp's game. Just like you can tell the guys who know boxing are the one's not bashing it and saying how you can't use it in the mma game.
im not bashing anyone, but if mt and boxing is why machida is so eff; then why the hell can't anyone figure him out, its not cus he is soo good at either. From what i see he is terrible at both; its his karate, it's what seperates him. The tech the entries setups exits angle counters def off is eff cus its unfamiliar; if he really leaned on the other arts he would be fig out by now, he uses them to a degree. But its all from a karate stance, based on karate timing and karate dist. Im not saying its the end all be all; but give karate it's due, cus its karate which is killing these guys; an if machida loss, it would have been karate that caught hell.
dont misappropriate the credit, like when vitor belfor gave gjj credit; when it was clearly his boxing which won him the fight, he is chanting jiu jitsu, when all he is doing is koing people not using the guard or armbars or chokes.
just like kenpo/koei kohan (i think it is) was a large reason for chuck's success; yeah he trained kickboxing/boxing, but he was pretty avg (at best) for both and what he did no other kb/boxer worth a damn did anything similar. But who recognized what he was doing, kenpo/kempo/kajukenbo guys; who is his trainer who tailors his style, footwork, angles, setups, counters, off..HE IS A BLKBLT IN KEMPO/kajukenbo (HAWAIIAN i think). So the influence is there you have to know enough outside of the holy trinity of mma bjj muay thai wrestling or in regards to standup bjj mt boxing; if chuck did only those art w/no influence, then why the hell does he look and fight soo diff than everyone else who does the same arts.
im just saying
i don't comment on muay thai extensively, cus i have a very base knowledge of it; i don't comment on bjj extensively once again i have a base knowledge of it.
i do comment on boxing and karate/tma, cus my dad was a tkd blkblt( old fc style continuous fighting/judo blkblkt) and alot of people i trained w/or sparred were legit blkblts in kyokushin-shotokan-issihin ryu-tkd-wado ryu and kenpo, to name a few. So my karate knowledge is still base; but alot better than most people commenting on it, more importantly i get updates by having legit karate guys watch the fights and explain where and how the tech is found in their art. An the same w/the boxing, i been around alot of boxers, trained boxing (no im not good at it) and had alot of shop talk w/high level amateurs and pro coaches/fighters; so i know what im talking about unlike alot of mma guys w/a passing interest in boxing.
Others here have belts and extensive b/g in tma/karate, yet people who don't are arguing the point w/them based on little to no exp; esp when you consider the people who trained karate are alot better and knowledgeable of it, than the people who are arguing against it are in their chosen arts.
just something odd i noticed
an you can tell people w/legit karate/tma exp; they are the one's not bashing machida or his claim that karate is what makes him eff. Its the same people who don't recognize the frequent karate usage in gsp's game. Just like you can tell the guys who know boxing are the one's not bashing it and saying how you can't use it in the mma game.
im not bashing anyone, but if mt and boxing is why machida is so eff; then why the hell can't anyone figure him out, its not cus he is soo good at either. From what i see he is terrible at both; its his karate, it's what seperates him. The tech the entries setups exits angle counters def off is eff cus its unfamiliar; if he really leaned on the other arts he would be fig out by now, he uses them to a degree. But its all from a karate stance, based on karate timing and karate dist. Im not saying its the end all be all; but give karate it's due, cus its karate which is killing these guys; an if machida loss, it would have been karate that caught hell.
dont misappropriate the credit, like when vitor belfor gave gjj credit; when it was clearly his boxing which won him the fight, he is chanting jiu jitsu, when all he is doing is koing people not using the guard or armbars or chokes.
just like kenpo/koei kohan (i think it is) was a large reason for chuck's success; yeah he trained kickboxing/boxing, but he was pretty avg (at best) for both and what he did no other kb/boxer worth a damn did anything similar. But who recognized what he was doing, kenpo/kempo/kajukenbo guys; who is his trainer who tailors his style, footwork, angles, setups, counters, off..HE IS A BLKBLT IN KEMPO/kajukenbo (HAWAIIAN i think). So the influence is there you have to know enough outside of the holy trinity of mma bjj muay thai wrestling or in regards to standup bjj mt boxing; if chuck did only those art w/no influence, then why the hell does he look and fight soo diff than everyone else who does the same arts.
im just saying
