The Danny Garcia Hate

[Draper]

Again, you are an idiot.

It is a fact that Danny has a resume of wins that very few in boxing currently have surpassed.

Your shitty excuses of them dont change this from being fact.

Yes, the circumstances involved in those wins mean nothing when judging his resume. "Excuses"
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[Hagler]

Keith Thurman effectively outboxing Danny Garcia =/= a competitive fight. Again, it was only close on the cards because Thurman coasted in the late rounds.

Again, he coasted because he was scared and got timed better and better, which does happen against effective counterpunchers.

The SD was not controversial afterwards. Your opinion on this decision is certainly worth mentionning, but it hardly matters.

 

[Draper]

Again, he coasted because he was scared and got timed better and better, which does happen against effective counterpunchers.

Mmm, no. He coasted because he had the fight comfortably won at that point. Pretty sure he fought Danny injured as well.

The SD was not controversial afterwards. Your opinion on this decision is certainly worth mentionning, but it hardly matters.

The SD wasn't controversial because Keith clearly won and gave away the final rounds.

 

[PUO3]

Yes, the circumstances involved in those wins mean nothing when judging his resume. "Excuses"
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True or false: He won

 

[Draper]

True or false: He won

True or false: Most of his wins were against shot, B level fighters.

 

[Hagler]

Mmm, no. He coasted because he had the fight comfortably won at that point. Pretty sure he fought Danny injured as well.

More often than not, the fighter that's reluctant to engage happens to be the fighter who got hit the hardest. Which was Thurman's case after round 2. This is what we learn from watching said fight.

As I said he still deserved the win. But if he coasted against Danny and he didn't against others, it's because some bad shit could happen to him.

The SD wasn't controversial because Keith clearly won and gave away the final rounds.

Nope. The SD wasn't controversial because it was a close fight. Even if the right guy won, Floyd's MD over Canelo was controversial because the fight wasn't close.

See ? It's not all that complicated.

 

[Draper]

@PUO3 Is Jeff Horn the best welterweight because he beat Manny Pacquiao? Mind you, I think he won 7-5, but do I rank that win highly? No, because Manny Pacquiao shouldn't be fighting anymore.

More often than not, the fighter that's reluctant to engage happens to be the fighter who got hit the hardest. Which was Thurman's case after round 2. This is what we learn from watching said fight.

As I said he still deserved the win. But if he coasted against Danny and he didn't against others, it's because some bad shit could happen to him.

If you want to see what an actual competitive close fight looks like, see Keith Thurman vs Shawn Porter. If Keith was afraid of Danny as early as the second round, then he wouldn't have exchanged with Danny as much as he did in rounds 3-5. The reality of the fight is this: Keith won 8-4 and gave away the last 3. If I recall, he already had his elbow injury at that point. Why not play it safe if you're already the winner? Smarter choice.

Nope. The SD wasn't controversial because it was a close fight. Even if the right guy won, Floyd's MD over Canelo was controversial because the fight wasn't close.

See ? It's not all that complicated.

The SD wasn't controversial because the clear loser didn't win. The Floyd vs Canelo backlash isn't comparable because it was viewed by a significantly larger audience.

 

[Hagler]

If you want to see what an actual competitive split decision looks like, see Keith Thurman vs Shawn Porter. If Keith was afraid of Danny as early as the second round, then he wouldn't have exchanged with Danny as much as he did in rounds 3-5. The reality of the fight is this: Keith won 8-4 and gave away the last 3. If I recall, he already had his elbow injury at that point. Why not play it safe if you're already the winner? Smarter choice.

Thurman had more respect for Danny's power and counters than he had for Porter's shots, as he saw them coming. Different kind of danger here. Danny's timing got sharper along the fight and you do know it. The reality is that one judge scored it for Garcia and two for Thurman.

The SD wasn't controversial because the clear loser didn't win.

The clear loser didn't win the Mayweather - Canelo fight and the MD was controversial, though. It just doesn't fly.

 

[Draper]

Thurman had more respect for Danny's power and counters than he had for Porter's shots, as he saw them coming. Different kind of danger here. Danny's timing got sharper along the fight and you do know it. The reality is that one judge scored it for Garcia and two for Porter.

Again, Keith had every reason to play it safe in the late rounds because he won all but one of the early rounds, and he was injured. The winner was also clear at that point since the earlier rounds were one-sided. At no point past round 9 did I get the impression that Keith was losing the fight because of Danny's timing. Danny's activity increased and Keith's decreased, by his own choice. Not a competitive fight.

And correction: Keith Thurman won a unanimous decision against Shawn Porter, 115-113 across all judges. Editing my earlier post, but this is still an example of what a close, competitive fight looks like.

The clear loser didn't win the Mayweather - Canelo fight and the MD was controversial, though. It just doesn't fly.

When the audience of one fight is orders of magnitude greater than another, the two cannot be compared.

 

[Draper]

Back on the overrated Danny Garcia:
He struggled against a fat, broken Brandon Rios. What do you think Shawn Porter would do to him? What do you think Errol Spence would do to him? Please be realistic when rating these guys.

 

[Hagler]

Again, Keith had every reason to play it safe in the late rounds because he won all but one of the early rounds, and he was injured. The winner was also clear at that point since the earlier rounds were one-sided. At no point past round 9 did I get the impression that Keith was losing the fight because of Danny's timing. Danny's activity increased and Keith's decreased, by his own choice. Not a competitive fight.

Getting punched in the face makes boxers tune it down. The momentum did shift. These things do happen in boxing. Also, the fight was competitive before round 9. Which does explain the 7-5 for Garcia. One of the other cards is 7-5 for Thurman. 8-4 was a little wide. A fight scored 7-5 both ways with no controversy is rather close. It's no rocket science.

When the audience of one fight is orders of magnitude greater than another, the two cannot be compared.

They certainly can, actually. Regulars here saw both fights. They found one JD controversial. The other wasn't nearly as much, as people had scored it both ways.

 

[Draper]

Getting punched in the face makes boxers tune it down. The momentum did shift.

Being far ahead and injured also causes boxers to tune it down. The momentum shifted because Keith Thurman let it, although I wouldn't even call it momentum.

These things do happen in boxing. Also, the fight was competitive before round 9. Which does explain the 7-5 for Garcia. One of the other cards is 7-5 for Thurman. 8-4 was a little wide. A fight scored 7-5 both ways with no controversy is rather close. It's no rocket science.

The fight wasn't competitive before round 9. Danny won a round and lost the rest convincingly. The card for Danny says more about his luck with the judges than it does the competitiveness of the fight.

They certainly can, actually. Regulars here saw both fights.

Regulars here are few. Of the 10, maybe 15 people that regularly post in this section only about 4 of them know what they're talking about. Not enough people to warrant controversy.

They found one JD controversial. The other wasn't nearly as much, as people had scored it both ways.

People are also much more emotionally invested in Mayweather/Canelo than they are Thurman/Garcia. Last point also applies.

 

[Hagler]

Being far ahead and injured also causes boxers to tune it down. The momentum shifted because Keith Thurman let it, although I wouldn't even call it momentum.

The fight wasn't competitive before round 9. Danny won a round and lost the rest convincingly. The card for Danny says more about his luck with the judges than it does the competitiveness of the fight.

You're entitled to have your own personal opinion. It's not worth the official, uncontroversial scoring, though.

Regulars here are few. Of the 10, maybe 15 people that regularly post in this section only about 4 of them know what they're talking about. Not enough people to warrant controversy.

People are also much more emotionally invested in Mayweather/Canelo than they are Thurman/Garcia. Last point also applies.

The way you're twisting it to fit in your agenda is actually mildly amusing.

 

[BluntTrauma21]

I like to make fun of Danny, I have nothing against him personally, he's got a pretty nondescript personality that's hard to like or dislike, and I don't really give a shit about his dad. Doesn't affect my opinion of Danny at all.

First off I'll say he really does have a good resume of names. That is true. As PUO said, Danny has a weird style that's hard to gauge but it's effective nonetheless which is all that matters.

That being said, let's take a look at his resume since he fought Matthysse years ago. He has had some opponents/performances that he deserves some criticism for. His fight after Matthysse was against Herrera, a journeyman who he barely scraped by, some even think he lost that fight. Not a good look. Then the notorious Salka fight which was a gross mismatch and again he deserved criticism for. That was a terrible mismatch, contrary to what some will say, there's no excuse, imo, for a fighter considered to be the best guy at 140 to fight Rod fuckin Salka.

That compounded with his less than stellar performance against a journeyman the fight before deserves some criticism. Not a good couple of fights after that great win over Matthysse. Then Danny goes on to fight a legit guy in Lamont, a good matchup on paper, one that doesn't deserve any shit from anybody. BUT he looks pretty beatable in that fight. Lamont started running which was annoying but did enough to make that fight razor close. Credit to Danny for getting the win but it's another fight that he barely scraped by with a win in and where he looked more than beatable in doing so. Some ppl actually thought he lost that fight as well. Not a great performance once again.

Who does he fight next? Well that would be the ricotta filled shell of Paulie Malignaggi, once again he gets the win, a stoppage, but we already knew that outcome b/c, once again, he's fighting a journeyman level opponent with glass hands and no power who happens to be way past his prime, which was never a great prime to begin with. Meh, deserves more criticism, imo.

You'd think Danny's on his way to taking on some real comp, some comp that could push him to show how good we all think he can be right? Nah, get Robert Guerrero in here, I'll fight him. He was good at onetime in his career, a name's a name. Let's see what level Robert Guerrero was at when Danny fought him: Two fights prior he was dominated and dropped by Thurman. Fine Thurman's legit right? Nothing wrong with that L. Who does Robert fight next? Aaron Martinez, another journeyman type guy who dropped Guerrero and a lot of ppl actually think he got a raw deal losing the split in the process.

So Danny comes in and Dec's him after Robert is obv damaged goods by now. Evidenced by the fact that he lost to an Argentine cab driver in his next fight, not exaggerating a real cab driver. The cab driver is pretty good tho, I actually won a bet on him for that fight b/c Guerrero was so washed by that time. Anyway Guerrero then went on to complete the losing trifecta by getting brutally stopped by Figueroa in 3rds then retired immediately after to go on to become the worst boxing commentator in the world. Congrats Robert, you suck at talking and suck the energy out of thousands of rooms across the world every time you jump on the mic!

So where are we, Danny then goes from beating mega washed Guerrero to FINALLY facing another premier level fighter, right? RIGHT? Not quite. Danny needs another tuneup after that other tuneup. Enter Samuel Vargas. Who? Me neither. Danny stops him. We get it, same shit different bag.

Then we do get that fight we've been waiting on for literally years. He goes up against Thurman, he loses a close fight. He puts in a very respectable performance, I bet on him b/c I knew the guy had talent all the way back to when he beat my guy Matthysse. That's we were all waiting for.

Danny moves on. By this point it would be a surprise if he fought anybody special b/c he has a proven history of fighting journeymen or washed names that are only recognizable b/c of their name that they made years ago, and w/o that name they wouldn't be sniffing high level fights, let alone actually getting those fights.

So we're not expecting anything special from Danny here, we know he fights to the level of his comp, we know he either doesn't really want to face the best guys that often or he just doesn't care enough. But we can always hope he steps it up a little bit coming off of a spirited performance against the highest level fighter in Thurman. So we're not expecting much but we're hoping we get something sort of interesting. Nah, it's Danny Garcia, he's gonna fight Brandon Rios. A man whose head is so scrambled you could order toast and coffee with it and have yourself a meal. Great ko from Danny, weak opponent. We knew he was gonna win, cool finish, still meh. A big meh.


Just to reiterate: Md over Herrera. Brutally stops Salka the Great. Md over a game and very respectable opponent in Lamont, a fight Danny looked pretty bad in tho, it needs to be said. Stops what used to be a guy named Paulie. UD's the ghost of Ghost Guerrero. Stops Fernando Vargas, nice, wait no SAMUEL Vargas, not so nice. Loses a sd to Thurman, respectable performance but he lost. Stops a mentally disabled person named Brandon.


So no I don't hate Danny Garcia. I don't even dislike Danny Garcia. I couldn't give less of a fuck about his crazy Pops. I just want to see a guy with talent at least look for fights against the best. But Danny seems like he either doesn't care or doesn't want to do that. I would go so far as to say most of the guys who criticize Danny don't ''hate" him we just like to bust his balls b/c he's been so disappointing with his opponent choices and performances against some of those opponents. It's funny b/c he KEEPS doing it too.

It's become kind of a joke now, I wish the guy would step it up or retire rather than taking these paychecks for fights that are already foregone conclusions. 147 is full of talented fighters, Danny's one of them. Fight another guy with talent or don't fight at all. Stop wasting my time. It's funny it's annoying, it is what it is. I don't hate the guy but I'm not gonna give him a pass, either. This isn't picking apart his record, it's pretty straightforward, we've all witnessed it. He's very good very talented but there's no excuse for him wasting his time and everyone else's. /rant.

 

[Draper]

You're entitled to have your own personal opinion. It's not worth the official, uncontroversial scoring, though.

The details of each round matter when determining if a fight is competitive. It isn't hard to grasp.

The way you're twisting it to fit in your agenda is actually mildly amusing.

The opinions of 500 people mean much more than the opinions of 10 people. No twists, just simple logic.

 

[Draper]

UD's the ghost of Ghost Guerrero.

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[Hagler]

The details of each round matter when determining if a fight is competitive. It isn't hard to grasp.

Exactly. Both fighters won between 5 and 7 rounds according to the 4 relevent criteria, which did make the fight competitive. I scored it for Thurman, BTW.

The opinions of 500 people mean much more than the opinions of 10 people. No twists, just simple logic.

The same people here found one JD way more controversial than the other, which should not be difficult to understand.

 

[Draper]

Exactly. Both fighters won between 5 and 7 rounds according to the 4 relevent criteria, which did make the fight competitive.

Lol, and the reason why one fighter won a few rounds (really 4) is because the other fighter elected to not do better in those criteria.

The same people here found one JD way more controversial than the other, which should not be difficult to understand.

The same people here are more emotionally invested in Mayweather/Canelo than they are Thurman/Garcia. It means more for Mayweather to lose than it does Thurman.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

intereting to see who he fights next. hes not getting thurman and in all likelihood wont fight porter, kavaliasuskas or spence so maybe alexander

devon is a step up from malignaggi and rios so this is probably what dg goes for

If kels not broken, that’d be a good fight for Garcia. Tough to call a winner

 

[Sunfish]

I have no idea who you are, most of the people who post here have seen more of canelo and Mayweather than Thurman or Garcia. Most of the people here who watch pretty much every card can give very sensible opinions on Thurman and Garcia. Stop trolling.