STIPE GOAT - right guy, wrong time

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  1. BoxerSunny

    BoxerSunny White Belt

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    the Stipe GOAT talks needs to stop, at the end of the day his run was against older broken down fighters - I think he would’ve lost to JDS, REEM, BOOMERRANG, if they fought 5 years prior. I think his best performance was against Mr Ford Fiesta and despite a world class game plan he proved his KO power was not what it was hyped to be. With the Cormier fight I’m expecting him to loose however once again he is fighting a 41 year old veteran who like the REEM etc has been through wars. Strikeforce DC merks Stipe no doubt. Stipe is championship callibour however he was struggle immensely with younger fighters ala Blaydes, Volkov etc. He can’t be called GOAT cause he’s beaten world class fighters past their primes.
     
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    lsa Maître d' at The Pussy Lounge

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    Stipe GOAT.
     
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    wilKO Green, White & Gold belt

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    Overeem has always been the same when getting punched. So no. Reem would have been knocked out at any stage. And no one considers Stipe the GOAT yet. Funny you mention past prime fighters. Pretty sure Jon Jones' legacy apart from cheating and drugs is past prime fighters.
     
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  4. RustyShacleford

    RustyShacleford Blue Belt

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    Werdum and Overeem had just gotten the biggest wins of their careers ( over Cain and Junior) and were looking great when he fought them.
     
  5. Taric

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    Fedor - #1 HW of all time (12 ranked HW wins)

    #1 fighters defeated (1):
    Nogueira 1
    Top 5 fighters defeated (5):
    Nogueira 3
    Cro Cop
    Arlovski
    Sylvia
    Herring
    Top 10 fighters defeated (6):
    Coleman 1
    Hunt
    Randleman
    Schilt
    Rogers
    Fujita


    Nogueira - #2 HW of all time (13 ranked HW wins)

    #1 fighters defeated (1):
    Coleman
    Top 5 fighters defeated (5):
    Cro Cop
    Sylvia
    Herring 1
    Barnett 2
    Rodriguez
    Top 10 fighters defeated (7):
    Couture
    Werdum
    Herring 2
    Kharitonov
    Schaub
    Schilt
    Overeem


    Werdum - #3 HW of all time (11 ranked HW wins)

    #1 fighters defeated (2):
    Fedor
    Velasquez
    Top 5 fighters defeated (2):
    Hunt
    Browne
    Top 10 fighters defeated (7):
    Tybura
    Overeem
    Gonzaga
    Nelson
    Alexander Emelianenko
    Russow
    Erikson


    JDS - #4 HW of all time (9 ranked HW wins)

    #1 fighters defeated (1):
    Velasquez
    Top 5 fighters defeated (3):
    Rothwell
    Carwin
    Hunt
    Top 10 fighters defeated (5):
    Miocic
    Mir
    Nelson
    Cro Cop
    Werdum


    Overeem - #5 HW of all time (8 ranked HW wins)

    #1 fighters defeated (1):
    Werdum 2
    Top 5 fighters defeated (4):
    Werdum 3
    Arlovski
    JDS
    Lesnar
    Top 10 fighters defeated (3):
    Hunt 2
    Struve
    Mir


    Miocic - #6 HW of all time (6 ranked HW wins)

    #1 fighters defeated (1):
    Werdum
    Top 5 fighters defeated (4):
    Hunt
    Overeem
    JDS
    Ngnannou
    Top 10 fighters defeated (1):
    Arlovski

    Stipe's body of work is too small to be considered in the running.
     
  6. BoxerSunny

    BoxerSunny White Belt

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    2007-2012 Reem has the industry shook. 12 fight unbeaten streak and fought like a monster - this is the fighter I’m referring to.

    Jones does magical things - every performance. KOing old fighters is nothing special in my book.

    I can’t recall a single performance that Stipe looked world class, the guy is goofy and gets caught in 5 years he’ll be a walking heavy bag and be on the recieving end of KOs
     
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    Well unlike Jones Stipe is fighting HW murderers. Not small LHWs and MWs. I'd love to see Jones do his "magical" stuff at HW.
     
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    Stipe is the greatest heavyweight we have ever seen in MMA.
     
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    agreed to default. Junior was not the same junior and Cain could not breathe after 30 seconds
     
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    Disagree. But he may be in time.
     
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    he lost to struve lol
     
  12. Final Say

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    Name another heavyweight GOAT candidate without a loss as bad or even worse? Really the only guy people argue against Stipe anymore is Fedor and he has way mor inexcusable losses.
     
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    Stipe has the perfect combination of non-technical qualities to be a successful HW. He could beat any HW, but then he could also get KTFO'd by a lot of them just as easily.
     
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    And here is it, idiots already trying to diminish Stipe's possible win over Cormier before that even happens. Typical stupidity from sherdog.
    Lol what? How do you know? Based on what?
     
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    Exactly, he's fought against guys with massive amounts of miles in them and then a guy with very little experience. I personally don't consider him top3 hw even though he is good. Still think it's werdum since he finished nog, fedor, Cain, who are all the other candidates. If not werdum then Cain is the UFC hw goat
     
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    Fedor's worst losses are to Hendo and Meathead, 11 and 17 years into his MMA career.
    Nog's worst losses are to Nelson and Stipe, 15 and 16 years into his MMA career.
    Werdum's worst loss is to Volkov, 16 years into his MMA career.
    Stipe's worst loss is to Struve, 2 years into his MMA career.

    It's kinda different losing to sub-par/average fighters on the tail end of your career man. It's expected.
     
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    That's a misleading statement on several levels.

    1) Cain wasn't the biggest win of Werdum's career. Fedor was.

    2) The post-Cain JDS that Overeem beat isn't nearly the killer he was before.

    3) The Cain that Werdum beat has been severely compromised as well.... which is why he never fights... because he's wrecked himself training like an idiot.
     
  18. Tyrannosaurus rex

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    And?

    Almost all greats in MMA have one or more losses on their resume. Even to lower level fighters.
     
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    Kumason MMA freak!

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    Yeah man!Everyone sucks!Everyone that doesn't suck is a GOAT!Seriously though,only thing correct by TS is we don't need to call everyone goat.
     
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  20. Final Say

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    Losing because you fought someone too early vs too late is the same thing

    Losing to a middleweight would be looked at as inexcusable in this day and age. Nobody would ever give Stipe the time of day if he lost to Yoel Romero or Bobby Whittaker, both of which would kick the shit out of Hendo.

    It's an example of how the standards were lower back then. If you bring up the Struve loss but try to explain away the Hendo loss... I mean come on. It shouldn't even have to be argued against
     
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