Puncher vs Kicker

[Jimmy Jazz]

Yea they need kicks, the thai clinch ie stand up wrestling, knees and elbows just to beat western boxing. Muay thai had to change dramatically with the introduction of western boxing. Rammon Dekkers who started off in boxing was the only westerner to win high level Thai titles.

Punching > Kicking

 

[BringBackTRTforFairness]

Yea the super talented athlete won against a no name whats your point?

The thais beat everyone at stand up almost punchers, kickers, men much heavier the thais are just better and thats why they are a misleading poor example.

You guys know nothing and yet you think im the ignorant one, you see the thais using kick heavy striking and think you have the right answer base don what they are doing, because they are the best strikers in the world probably, thats as far as your intellect and knowledge goes

IF IT WERE A GUY THAT ONLY LEARN T THAI KICKS AND TEEPS ETC VS A BOXER THAT ONLY KNEW BOXING, NEITHER HAD GOOD DEFENSE AGAINST EACH OTHERS TOOLS, THE BOXER WOULD WIN

1 BECAUSE ITS EASIER TO CLOSE THE DISTANCE WHERE YOU ARE SAFE FROM KICKS,

2 YOU CAN BE MORE MOBILE AS YOU STRIKE,

3YOU CAN BE MORE RAPID FIRE, AND OVERWHELM THEM

4YOU ARE CLOSER TO MORE WEAK POINTS IE THE HEAD AREA,

5 YOU CAN GET IN A STRIKE FORM MORE ANGLES PUNCHING IS FAR MORE VERSATILE

PUNCHING IS MORE EFFICIENT, BRUCE LEE AGREES WITH ME, I WIN YOU LOSE END THREAD ,

 

[BringBackTRTforFairness]

Mirrored stances its a longer ranged affair ie more kicks, hes a thai he can win however he wants.

The dutch are not that much better at boxing than the thais

Also it IS A VERY DIFFERENT STORY IF ONE GUY CAN ONLY KICK AND ONE GUY CAN ONLY PUNCH, THE KICKER IS SOON SWARMED AND BEATEN UP CLOSE

 

[AndyMaBobs]

I don't understand why people argue with someone who's name is literally "Bring Back TRT For Fairness" it's just another troll job

 

[Bekim]

The boxer will win.

In Muay Thai they had to heavily modify it to cope with western boxing.

In kickboxing they had to force a rule to throw at least 2-3 kicks per round because boxing was so effective no one bothered to kick becaus ethey were trying to win and it didnt work

In Muay Thai the only westiner to win high level Thai Titles was Rammon Dekkers and he had a bopxing base which won him alot of his fights and knockouts.

In other arts boxing punches usually finish people from kicking styles when the two styles collide via their practitioners.

What top titles and what top Thai's did he beat???

 

[JSnake]

A puncher will be more effective, in general, since they're not limited by a certain range. But it really comes down to the practitioner and how they're able to control distance in the fight.

A good example of this stylistic match-up is Buakaw vs Kalakoda. In the beginning, Buakaw is able to maintain distance control and maneuver skillfully to implement his knee and kicking game, but as fatigue set in, he could not sustain it. Kalakoda is constantly pressuring him from start to finish, and absorbing everything he threw. With clinching not being allowed, and his knees/kicks not having an effect, Buakaw is forced to slug it out with the boxer at his own game by the end.

 

[aries]

Mirrored stances its a longer ranged affair ie more kicks, hes a thai he can win however he wants.

The dutch are not that much better at boxing than the thais

Also it IS A VERY DIFFERENT STORY IF ONE GUY CAN ONLY KICK AND ONE GUY CAN ONLY PUNCH, THE KICKER IS SOON SWARMED AND BEATEN UP CLOSE

The dutch aren't ANY better at boxing than the Thais, the Thais are better. Name one dutch boxing champion? Now think about the Thais who were boxing champions. It's not even close.

 

[BringBackTRTforFairness]

The dutch aren't ANY better at boxing than the Thais, the Thais are better. Name one dutch boxing champion? Now think about the Thais who were boxing champions. It's not even close.

Agreed but in the context of muay thai/kickboxing the dutch use their hands more and are from the west, do they not have about equal punching ability compared to thai muay thai fighters? (as opposed to ones that switched to boxing/ became boxers for more money) I just see thais do everything to such a high standard its hard to say that the dutch are better but stylistically many thais have a kick / clinch heavy style many dutch have a boxing heavy style

 

[aries]

Agreed but in the context of muay thai/kickboxing the dutch use their hands more and are from the west, do they not have about equal punching ability compared to thai muay thai fighters? (as opposed to ones that switched to boxing/ became boxers for more money) I just see thais do everything to such a high standard its hard to say that the dutch are better but stylistically many thais have a kick / clinch heavy style many dutch have a boxing heavy style

Yes the Dutch do rely on their hands more and the thais less so but that is as much to do with the dominance of the clinch against boxing and the way Thai fights are scored which biases against punching. The fact is that Thai fighters can use their kicks at range to beat boxing there and when they get up close they can use knees and elbows to beat boxing there. It just comes from having more tools in their arsenal.

 

[BringBackTRTforFairness]

Yes the Dutch do rely on their hands more and the thais less so but that is as much to do with the dominance of the clinch against boxing and the way Thai fights are scored which biases against punching. The fact is that Thai fighters can use their kicks at range to beat boxing there and when they get up close they can use knees and elbows to beat boxing there. It just comes from having more tools in their arsenal.

So would you say the "thai muay thai" fighters still have the best hands but dont use them much?

 

[98bird]

2-3 solid punches can be throw vs. 1 good kick.

If all things being equal, the Puncher should win most of the time. Like many TKD's want to maintain distance to kick. Pressure fighting and staying in punching range at all times works really well vs. them.

 

[BringBackTRTforFairness]

2-3 solid punches can be throw vs. 1 good kick.

If all things being equal, the Puncher should win most of the time. Like many TKD's want to maintain distance to kick. Pressure fighting and staying in punching range at all times works really well vs. them.

True and without the knees and elbows and only the clinch and blocks etc for defense the punches would work better in the clinch than the kicks xD

At kicking range you can defend much better against the kicks and counter with long range punches and step in with them etc

Punches won its official, all those that said kicks are better are like super ignorant

 

[98bird]

True and without the knees and elbows and only the clinch and blocks etc for defense the punches would work better in the clinch than the kicks xD

Nothing stops the Puncher from elbowing, they're easy and are similar mechanics to punching. But the Puncher should stay just a little outside of kneeing range, which would be significantly far away from getting elbowed.

The Puncher should maintain distance that's too close for kicks and too far for knees/clinch, he can keep pressure fighting with punches. This is what I do vs. purist Muay Thai and especially TKD's and it works very well vs. those who are at similar levels.

 

[Azam]

If it was self defense I'd rather be elite with my hands.

Most kicks aren't of use in self defense situations.

 

[Manimal87]

So a elite boxer would win against an elite muay thai (traditionally they dont punch much)?

 

[Yodsanan]

So a elite boxer would win against an elite muay thai (traditionally they dont punch much)?

no.

 

[BringBackTRTforFairness]

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[BringBackTRTforFairness]

So a elite boxer would win against an elite muay thai (traditionally they dont punch much)?

No because they elbow knee clinch kick punch and defend all of these too, and the boxer only punches and defends punches. The boxer would go down fast even someone as formidable as Bowe

 

[BringBackTRTforFairness]

Nothing stops the Puncher from elbowing, they're easy and are similar mechanics to punching. But the Puncher should stay just a little outside of kneeing range, which would be significantly far away from getting elbowed.

The Puncher should maintain distance that's too close for kicks and too far for knees/clinch, he can keep pressure fighting with punches. This is what I do vs. purist Muay Thai and especially TKD's and it works very well vs. those who are at similar levels.

True but this is a hypothetical question so no elbows or knees can be in it. Its strictly punches vs kicks. But thanks for a great piece of info!

 

[aries]

So would you say the "thai muay thai" fighters still have the best hands but dont use them much?

No I'd say there are more Thai boxers than dutch kick boxers so there is more talent in Thai boxing so unsurprisingly there are more Thais with better boxing.