oh no another muay thai vs kyokushin thread...sorry but

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  1. biggino White Belt

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    Now im not going to about which techniques or which is more effective. The thing im curious is if you knew someone that strictly wants to lose weight while doing a martial art which one would you reccomend. For fitness? General well being ? Cardio? strengh? and shredded physique? thanks
     
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  2. AndyMaBobs Purple Belt

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    If you're talking about fitness it literally doesn't matter at all. In fact if you're focussing purely on fitness you'd be better off just doing strength and conditioning classes.

    If you feel like you want to learn a martial art and get fit at the same time there really isn't a difference between either of them, they do the exact same thing. Muay Thai fighters are longer but I'd be surprised if kyokushin guys weren't fit enough to go for 5 rounds with a little more push.

    Honestly if you're looking to get fit go to S&C classes, if you want to learn martial arts just try both.
     
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    ninja warrior or gymnastics. the only martial art i know of that really makes you a lot stronger is wrestling.
     
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  4. biggino White Belt

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    BTW this is not for me. I mean i been to both and even tho disciplines of different schools still do things differently. From what i saw..There was a alot more punching air and kicking air and high kicks in karate. Lots of pushups and situps. in muay thai there was alot more pad hitting and squats and push up and stuff like tgat but more variety and not as much push ups as karate. And if someone to take classes of both with the class including conditioning amd technique how would you compare the 2 for the questioms i asked on my original post. Cardio?strengh? shredded physique? muscular physique? and etc... thanks for tge prevuous replies. i would also think their fairly even.
     
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    fixed
     
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  6. Jimmy Jazz Black Belt

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    lol if by fit you mean hurt your back.
     
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    its cawk push ups!
     
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    Go with Muay Thai. The body conditioning part of kyokushin won’t help with anything but fighting and if that’s not your goal then it’s going to suck for no reason.
     
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  9. shinkyoku Brown Belt

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    Kyokushin fights are only 1x3 minutes -if someone get a knockdown. If noone gets a knockdown there will be an extension, and then another one, and another. Ofcourse, you cannot hold back and pace yourself for future rounds, since every round is the "last". The exact number depends on tournaments level. on low end tournaments you stop at 3 extensions (4 round in total), but sometimes big tournaments you can go up to 5 extensions (6 rounds in total) in the finals -because, of course, it is a tournament.
    You go several fights in one tournament, not just one (unless you lose in the first one).

    I would say, there is plenty of push.
     
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    Kyokushin may be known for its tough body conditioning to be able to take a hit, but it is not known for easygoing cardio sessions either. Before you can start conditioning your body seriously, you need to be very fit.
     
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  11. spacetime Brown Belt

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    How is your guys cardio workouts compared to boxing gyms? I have only seen the conditioning footage. Got any cardio stuff?
     
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    From what I have observed in the neighbour boxing club, its is similar. Especially their group classes, but individual training aswell. We dont really do rope jumping very often, but thats about it in difference.
    I guess HIIT cardio training with never ending burpees and other stations is not HL video material. Neither are pushups, pullups, squats, long distance running (done off-class, naturally). My dojo have good access to stairs. I hate stairs!!!! we quite often mix sparring and cardio exercises. Last few years, Tabata has become popular as class ending exercise. Kettlebells too.
    Every serious kyokushin guy are encouraged to have a weight program -off-dojo if the dojo does not have the equipment.
     
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  13. Hotora86 Defend or vacate!

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    if you goals are fitness, cardio and shredded physique the you have to FIX YOUR DIET first.

    And I'm not talking about calorie counting - that's BS. It's not about HOW MUCH you eat, it's about WHAT you eat and HOW OFTEN.

    Basic guidelines (which have worked for me):
    1. CUT THE SUGAR. This includes cakes, sweets, soda (yes, even diet coke) and even fruit juice. When choosing dairy products, go with the whole fat, non-sweetened ones. Note that "low fat" stuff is always sweetened. Sugar substitutes are bad for you too.
    2. DON'T FEAR THE FAT. Fats are good for you, they are a good source of energy, they contain valuable vitamins and nutrients and they carry the taste in food (that's why "low fat" shit has sugar to amp the taste). They don't go straight to your gut - sugar does!
    3. DON'T OVERDO THE PROTEIN SHAKES. Protein takes the most energy to digest (20-30% of total calories in protein eaten go to digesting it). Next is carbohydrates (5-10%) and then fats (0-3%). Thus, if you eat 100 calories from protein, your body uses 20-30 of those calories to digest and absorb the protein. If you don't want that 30% loss you need other sources of energy - carbs and fats. Eating too much protein and not enough other stuff will hurt you in the long run. And BTW protein shakes aren't the perfect source either - they're not digested well enough and can contain harmful stuff like heavy metals.
    4. EAT EVERY 3-4 HOURS. Eat at regular intervals during the day - aim at 5-6 meals. This lets you digest more and better as opposed to eating 2-3 huge meals. Helps avoid cheating too. And don't skip breakfast. Ever.
    And just one final thought about working out - if you're aiming for shredded physique TRAIN EVERY DAY. It can be light or medium heavy so you don't get injured or fatigued too much. But believe me, 30 min of calisthenics EVERY SINGLE DAY for a year have given me better results than 2 years of standards splits (3 x week).

    A few links for in-depth insights on all above points:

    1. SUGAR:
    (long but worth it!)

    2. FAT:
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-truth-about-fats-bad-and-good

    3. PROTEIN:
    https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/04/protein-drinks/index.htm
    https://www.precisionnutrition.com/rr-whey-too-much

    4. EATING:
    https://www.mybodytutor.com/pages/eating-every-3-4-hours
    https://stronglifts.com/eat-every-3-hours-daily-meal-frequency/

    5. WORKOUTS:
    https://www.t-nation.com/training/new-high-frequency-training


    And remember - fitness is not a sprint, it's a MARATHON!
    Good luck! :)
     
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  14. spacetime Brown Belt

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    Boxing instructors seem to think abdominal excercises are sufficient conditioning for blows. We do 300 vertical sit-ups in one go. So that the abdominal muscles will act as a shield. We don't punch our way there like you guys do. Both ways seem to work.

    That's the biggest difference I found between Karate and Boxing cardio. Abdominal training is way blown up. That's the part of my body i feel the most after training.

    Of corse bulkier arms too but that's because 95% is using our arms.
     
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    Agree with everything except the calories. Yes you should eat well to be able to feel good and train hard. For your over all health and wellness.

    But- you can eat what ever you want and lose weight if you’re eating at a caloric deficit. That’s just science.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...7-pounds-twinkie-diet-months-article-1.453215
     
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    why not diet coke?
     
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    Shinkyoku mentioned this but I thought I’d add to it. Kyokushin is much more physically demanding I feel than MT - more than Kudo as well. I think it might be one of the most physically taxing styles.

    I think the mantra in Kyokushin is pretty much to train to failure. I don’t think it’s a necessarily smart way to train but it does get results.

    Personally I’d say if you are looking to compete realistically do MT. If you want to train for self defence do MT. If you want something more long term and sport like do Kyokushin. If you’re looking for just fitness - Kyokushin or S&C would be best.
     
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  20. 98bird Purple Belt

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    I've never been to Kyokushin, but have been to Kempo, Shotokan, etc. and if they're similar then you'll definitely get more of a workout in the average Muay Thai class. Muay Thai is heavy cardio and almost non stop hitting pads, drilling, etc. Same can happen in Karate also, but in general, they're more about doing forms it seems.
     
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