NCAA Wrestling 2015-16

Educate me:

How was NC State able to maintain a top 2-3 ranking all season but not have anyone wrestle for a top 4 spot?

Not sure if Pete Renda finished 4th...but still.
 
Uptown Swinger said:
Educate me:

How was NC State able to maintain a top 2-3 ranking all season but not have anyone wrestle for a top 4 spot?

Not sure if Pete Renda finished 4th...but still.
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Because they beat 3 top 5 teams in dual meets including Iowa at Carver Hawkeye and Oklahoma State at Gallagher arena...and Missouri, and #16 Minnesota (which finished the season very strong and much better than they started), #24 old Dominion, #17 Virginia, #14 North Carolina, #16 Pittsburgh, and #11 Nebraska. Their only dual loss was to Virginia Tech. They had a rough national tournament with top 6 guys like Rohskopf going down but still had 2 all-americans including a 2x champ who lost to the defending world champ in the finals..

They earned the ranking that they had. Now you can argue dual rankings vs tournament rankings. Whole other debate, but they had the team wins and ranked kids to be there
 
jack36767 said:
Because they beat 3 top 5 teams in dual meets including Iowa at Carver Hawkeye and Oklahoma State at Gallagher arena...and Missouri, and #16 Minnesota (which finished the season very strong and much better than they started), #24 old Dominion, #17 Virginia, #14 North Carolina, #16 Pittsburgh, and #11 Nebraska. Their only dual loss was to Virginia Tech. They had a rough national tournament with top 6 guys like Rohskopf going down but still had 2 all-americans including a 2x champ who lost to the defending world champ in the finals..

They earned the ranking that they had. Now you can argue dual rankings vs tournament rankings. Whole other debate, but they had the team wins and ranked kids to be there
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Thanks...
I may have worded my question incorrectly.
I understand why they were ranked so high.
I'm more curious why such a highly ranked school did so poorly in the tournament?
I believe they had 3 All Americans with Tommy Gantt finishing 8th?
I was wrong to say they didn't have anyone wrestle for a top 4 spot:
Nick G obviously finished 2nd and Pete Renda finished 3rd.
I guess that's not bad for the #2 ranked team in the nation...not great either.
 
Uptown Swinger said:
Thanks...
I may have worded my question incorrectly.
I understand why they were ranked so high.
I'm more curious why such a highly ranked school did so poorly in the tournament?
I believe they had 3 All Americans with Tommy Gantt finishing 8th?
I was wrong to say they didn't have anyone wrestle for a top 4 spot:
Nick G obviously finished 2nd and Pete Renda finished 3rd.
I guess that's not bad for the #2 ranked team in the nation...not great either.
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I thought about that too it's really two things
1. Dual results and ranking will always be different than tournament ones
2. Because the NCAA is a tough ass tournament and any other year it would have been spectacular for an ACC school to do so well. What Really killed them was Jack and Rohskopf both going 1-2, when you're #3 and #6 seeds have a bad tournament, it's hard to recover from
 
Uptown Swinger said:
Educate me:

How was NC State able to maintain a top 2-3 ranking all season but not have anyone wrestle for a top 4 spot?

Not sure if Pete Renda finished 4th...but still.
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NC St's HW, Nick Gwiazdowski, was in the finals and Renda did place 3rd.
NC St had a strong dual meet team: 23-1. Beat Nebraska, Missouri, Oklahoma State and Iowa.
Placed 4th at Midlands, 1st at the ACC tournament.

NC State had some wrestlers that didn't perform up to their seeds and aside from Renda didn't have any that wrestled above their seeds.


141: Kevin Jack. Returning all-american (5th last year as a true freshman). Was seeded 3rd at the tournament, lost in the 2nd round to Wyoming's Meredith (ended up 2nd), lost in the consolation round of 12 to UNC's Joey Ward (Jack & Ward have gone back & forth with wins against each).

157: Thomas Gantt. Entered nationals at 24-0, was seeded 2nd. Was upset in the 2nd round by Walsh, Rider, (Gantt had beaten Walsh earlier in the year in a match that went into overtime). In consolations, he lost to VA Tech's Brascetta (Gantt had beaten him twice this year). Ended up placing 8th. He probably shouldn't have been seeded 2nd but given the criteria, he fit the bill (I would have had him at 4th).

165: Rohskopf: Was seeded 5th and ended up going 1-2 and only earning 1 team point. Lost his 2nd round match in overtime and then lost to a U of North Carolina wrestler that he had beaten twice this year, although both those matches were very close 1-0 decisions.

197: Michael Boykin: seeded 12th. Didn't expect a top 8 finish but had the possibility of winning some consolation matches, maybe lucking out with some other upsets in the weight getting him to the round of 12, maybe top 8. Instead he went 1-2 and only earned 1 team point.


IF Jack or Rohskopf had wrestled to 6th, NC St could have finished 8th instead of 11th. If the other placed 7th or 8th, or if Gantt made it further they could have leapfrogged to 7th, maybe 6th.
But that is woulda, shoulda, coulda and goes for several other teams.

Teams need some close matches to go their way, guys wrestle above seed - NC St did get that from Renda but not any others. Renda's wrestling above seed ended up knocking VA Tech out of the 2nd spot - Renda knocked Zavatsky (seeded 5th) out of the championship bracket and he ended up not placing. That match goes the other way & Zavatsky finishes at minimum 6th. Zavatsky had already beaten Renda twice this season.
 
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jack36767 said:
What took Zane down??
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I thought maybe Tsirtsis did in the 1st period of their match but I'm not sure.

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