Michael Jordan last 3 minutes in his FINAL BULLS GAME

[SoberAwakening]

as someone too young to appreciate MJ (Space jam stinks) he would be a sixth man in todays game at best. gotta agree with @Revolver. being superior in multiple aspects > being a good scorer and gaurding the 1-3. Lebron in the 90's would have pulled off a tenpeat.

Your first sentence is all you had to say. You can't honestly have input in this conversation.

You've gotta be trolling. Lebron wouldn't have gotten out of the East against the bad boys of Detroit and he definitely wouldn't have gotten through the Bulls. Lebron doesn't have the clutch gene, and he's tough for today's game, but he wouldn't have been tough enough to hang with teams in the 90s. They were too physical. He would've tried to team up with everyone instead of trying to be his own man on his own team.

 

[Revolver]

lmao @ the bad boys. MJ couldn't get passed them until they all got old.

 

[faustian]

lmao @ the bad boys. MJ couldn't get passed them until they all got old.

When Miguel swept them in '91 Isiah, Joe D and Rodgoat were all under 30

 

[Revolver]

When Miguel swept them in '91 Isiah, Joe D and Rodgoat were all under 30

Isiah and Rodman turned 30 that year and back then (before PEDS) that pretty much meant the twilight of your career. Everyone else was pretty much done.

 

[faustian]

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

I love that that video starts with him coming up short for 3.
Then getting a steal on a terrible pass.
Then passing rodman into a charge.
Getting "fouled" hits both
Misses from ~12 feet
Charges stockton but gets the blocking call. Hits both
hits a layup
hits a 2 from 18.
I'm surprised this video wasn't edited to just show him succeeding, because this isn't impressive(unless you think his ref manipulation is)

Notes from commentators: He was 13 of 31 going into the final 3 minutes.
He was 3 of 14 in the previous 2 4th quarters. (but people only want to pick out the couple things he's do's succeeded at because they don't want to admit that LeBron has hit more playoff game-winners while shooting a higher%)

So, really he got 8 points on 7 "shots." Or, his team got 8 points in 10+ possessions. Terrible. Anyone else watch that video and just think the level of play was awful?

and how exactly did curry do in game 7 last year? or game 6? or game 5 for that matter?

Exactly.

This was the FINALS. They played defense, the game gets uglier, it happens every single year.

 

[asharak]

and how exactly did curry do in game 7 last year? or game 6? or game 5 for that matter?

Exactly.

This was the FINALS. They played defense, the game gets uglier, it happens every single year.

And yet the offensive efficiency in that game would be lower than any playoff team averaged in the last 10+ years. If you wanna call what they were doing great defense, you can, but it was only appears good for that era in which nobody could shoot 3s effectively. Either team going to the finals this year would absolutely destroy either team in that finals in transition(much higher athleticism) and from beyond the arc.

 

[faustian]

Rule changes how do they work

 

[mjmj]

This discussion really brings out the stupid in some people. Particularly people too young to even know about basketball in the late 80s and 90s. There are valid arguments for both players to be considered the GOAT, but some of the shit people make up to dismiss Jordan is ridiculous.

 

[mjmj]

Isiah and Rodman turned 30 that year and back then (before PEDS) that pretty much meant the twilight of your career. Everyone else was pretty much done.

Before PEDs? The '90s?

 

[gspieler]

Before PEDs? The '90s?

I think he meant before they were the norm in basketball.

 

[mjmj]

I think he meant before they were the norm in basketball.

But why would anyone think they weren't common then? They were rampant in football and baseball, does anyone really think basketball was different?

It's appears to me to be another piss poor argument against Jordan. If this is all someone can come up with, they don't have an argument.

 

[asharak]

But why would anyone think they weren't common then? They were rampant in football and baseball, does anyone really think basketball was different?

It's appears to me to be another piss poor argument against Jordan. If this is all someone can come up with, they don't have an argument.

????????

Unless it's Russell vs Jordan? (accomplishments aren't even close). However, that's also the only argument that Jordan has over LeBron. LeBron is bigger, faster, stronger and better in every way statistically(including clutch statistics), but some people hold onto the Russell argument about more accomplished players in a worse league with worse competition

 

[blackbox90s]

He is the best player of all time. if you know jordan you know the final shot

 

[DrVanNostrand]

????????

Unless it's Russell vs Jordan? (accomplishments aren't even close). However, that's also the only argument that Jordan has over LeBron. LeBron is bigger, faster, stronger and better in every way statistically(including clutch statistics), but some people hold onto the Russell argument about more accomplished players in a worse league with worse competition

I must have missed the memo stating that ppg, steals, blocks and FT% aren't considered stats now.

 

[HeirApparent]

????????

Unless it's Russell vs Jordan? (accomplishments aren't even close). However, that's also the only argument that Jordan has over LeBron. LeBron is bigger, faster, stronger and better in every way statistically(including clutch statistics), but some people hold onto the Russell argument about more accomplished players in a worse league with worse competition

Faster? Not sure about that one. Jordan ran a 4.3 40 while Bron stated he has run a 4.6 40.
And Jordan is a much better scorer that LeBron, regular season and playoffs. The stats clearly prove that and the eye test comparison is laughable.
And Jordan is a better defender too. He has DPOY to prove that where LeBron doesn't.

And more clutch?

 

[asharak]

Faster? Not sure about that one. Jordan ran a 4.3 40 while Bron stated he has run a 4.6 40.
And Jordan is a much better scorer that LeBron, regular season and playoffs. The stats clearly prove that and the eye test comparison is laughable.
And Jordan is a better defender too. He has DPOY to prove that where LeBron doesn't.

And more clutch?

Straight line speed is irrelevant.
Stats prove that LeBron is a better scorer. Jordan has more PPG on worse shooting percentage. LeBron passed him in playoff scoring on 120 less shots.
That's laughable. Who's out there that LeBron couldn't defend. Remember him shutting down MVP Derrick Rose?
Clutch based in fact, not myth. More playoff game winners at a higher percentage. Not to mention leading the last 2 Finals in the top 3 and 5 stats respectively.

 

[HeirApparent]

Straight line speed is irrelevant.
Stats prove that LeBron is a better scorer. Jordan has more PPG on worse shooting percentage. LeBron passed him in playoff scoring on 120 less shots.
That's laughable. Who's out there that LeBron couldn't defend. Remember him shutting down MVP Derrick Rose?
Clutch based in fact, not myth. More playoff game winners at a higher percentage. Not to mention leading the last 2 Finals in the top 3 and 5 stats respectively.

Jordan is also quicker too. LeBron has never been faster than Jordan at any point in his career.
Remember that LeBron hasn't win a single DPOY award in his entire career. He does (LOL):

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/l...t-hes-never-won-defensive-player-of-the-year/



Jordan is the superior scorer as he has a higher regular season PPG (30.1 vs 25.1); higher playoff PPG (33.4 VS 28.3); and higher Finals PPG (33.6 vs 27); Lebron also has 170 more free throws than MJ and we know how LeBron likes to get to the line:

Spoiler

Haven't been able to find updated stats on playoff games winners. Gonna need proof of that claim. And leading your team in stats does not mean clutch so I don't know what that has to do with anything.

 

[faustian]

Straight line speed is irrelevant.
Stats prove that LeBron is a better scorer.

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LeBron career (RS): 36.7 points per 100 poss, .584 TS%
Jordan w/ CHI (RS): 41.5 points per 100 poss, .580 TS%

LeBron career (PS): 36.6 points per 100 poss, .573 TS%
Jordan w/ CHI (PS): 43.3 points per 100 poss, .568 TS%

Jordan is the significantly better scorer

 

[asharak]

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LeBron career (RS): 36.7 points per 100 poss, .584 TS%
Jordan w/ CHI (RS): 41.5 points per 100 poss, .580 TS%

LeBron career (PS): 36.6 points per 100 poss, .573 TS%
Jordan w/ CHI (PS): 43.3 points per 100 poss, .568 TS%

Jordan is the significantly better scorer

You just showed that LeBron is a better scorer.

Remember that LeBron hasn't win a single DPOY award in his entire career. He does (LOL):

Jordan is the superior scorer as he has a higher regular season PPG (30.1 vs 25.1); higher playoff PPG (33.4 VS 28.3); and higher Finals PPG (33.6 vs 27); Lebron also has 170 more free throws than MJ and we know how LeBron likes to get to the line:

Spoiler

Haven't been able to find updated stats on playoff games winners. Gonna need proof of that claim. And leading your team in stats does not mean clutch so I don't know what that has to do with anything.

LeBron is a better defender. DPOY doesn't mean that much. Think of all the clutch blocks LeBron has made.

Jordan took more shots and hit more of them, just at a lower percentage .: not as good of a scorer.

We all know how Jordan got to the line.

Back in 2015, he got to 6/10 on go-ahead shots with<30 on the clock and hit his 3rd buzzer beater. Jordan was 5/11 for his career and also only hit 3 buzzer beaters.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/5/11/8584749/lebron-james-michael-jordan-game-winning-shots

Call LeBron Mr. June. He put up the 2 best Finals performances of all time against what is very possibly the greatest team of all time. He just didn't win one of them because his teammates were injured.