March 1985: 0-0 Mike Tyson Vs. 46-0 Larry Holmes

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On March 6th,1985, Mike Tyson made his professional debut. He knocked out tomato can Hector Mercedes at 1:47 of the first round. Later that month, on March 15th, 1985, Larry Holmes improved his record to 47-0 by stopping 14-0 David Bey at 2:58 of the 10th round. With the win, he also made the 18th consecutive defense of his heavyweight championship.

Forget those two fights ever happened. Match them up in that month, of that year. March, 1985. 0-0 Tyson Vs. 46-0 Larry Holmes.

Do you want to know what happens? Tyson gets beaten. Badly. Do you want to know why? Because a boxer needs to be developed correctly. A boxer needs to have his confidence built, he needs to learn ring generalship, and he needs to learn on the job about what to do when certain things happen. Cuts, point deductions, gassing out, an opponent fighting dirty, an opponent who can take his punch, how to rest, how to cater to the judges. Among many, many other things. Now, that's usually no big deal, because those things can be learned against lesser fighters in the ring, and serve as experience for when the fighter gets his moment in the sun with that big fight.

Tyson was 27-0 when he won the championship. In Tyson's case, that meant 74 professional rounds before he stepped into the sun for his moment. He went the distance in ten round bouts twice during that 27-0 stretch. He fought decent fighters like Marvis Frazier, James Tillis, and Jesse Ferguson during that stretch. He learned a lot, and he needed to. He knew he needed to, Cus knew he needed to, his whole damn team knew he needed to.

Not a single rational person on this planet will argue that 0-0 Conor is a better boxer than 0-0 Tyson. You would also be hard pressed to find someone who thinks the 35 year old, 46-0 Larry Holmes that we're talking about here, is a better boxer than the 40 year old, 49-0 Floyd Mayweather.

Yet, here we are. Five days out from MayMac, and some of you fools think Conor is going to stroll into Las Vegas, and lay out the greatest defensive fighter of this generation out with a straight left hand.

Why?
 
On March 6th,1985, Mike Tyson made his professional debut. He knocked out tomato can Hector Mercedes at 1:47 of the first round. Later that month, on March 15th, 1985, Larry Holmes improved his record to 47-0 by stopping 14-0 David Bey at 2:58 of the 10th round. With the win, he also made the 18th consecutive defense of his heavyweight championship.

Forget those two fights ever happened. Match them up in that month, of that year. March, 1985. 0-0 Tyson Vs. 46-0 Larry Holmes.

Do you want to know what happens? Tyson gets beaten. Badly. Do you want to know why? Because a boxer needs to be developed correctly. A boxer needs to have his confidence built, he needs to learn ring generalship, and he needs to learn on the job about what to do when certain things happen. Cuts, point deductions, gassing out, an opponent fighting dirty, an opponent who can take his punch, how to rest, how to cater to the judges. Among many, many other things. Now, that's usually no big deal, because those things can be learned against lesser fighters in the ring, and serve as experience for when the fighter gets his moment in the sun with that big fight.

Tyson was 27-0 when he won the championship. In Tyson's case, that meant 74 professional rounds before he stepped into the sun for his moment. He went the distance in ten round bouts twice during that 27-0 stretch. He fought decent fighters like Marvis Frazier, James Tillis, and Jesse Ferguson during that stretch. He learned a lot, and he needed to. He knew he needed to, Cus knew he needed to, his whole damn team knew he needed to.

Not a single rational person on this planet will argue that 0-0 Conor is a better boxer than 0-0 Tyson. You would also be hard pressed to find someone who thinks the 35 year old, 46-0 Larry Holmes that we're talking about here, is a better boxer than the 40 year old, 49-0 Floyd Mayweather.

Yet, here we are. Five days out from MayMac, and some of you fools think Conor is going to stroll into Las Vegas, and lay out the greatest defensive fighter of this generation out with a straight left hand.

Why?
That's because boxers are weak. Fragile. Also: Lol at 24 professional MMA fights meaning nothing.
 
This is sold gold


Why you say?


Mike fucking Tyson

No one, has ever eclipsed him, they are referred to as like him, not as good as him
 
There will ever only be one Mike Tyson, he just came around at the right time, and perfect place
 
That's because boxers are weak. Fragile. Also: Lol at 24 professional MMA fights meaning nothing.

Oh, it means something. Just like Tyson's amateur record means something. He was 48-6 as an amateur. He still would have gotten busted by Holmes if he made his professional debut against him. It's a different world.

Pete Rademacher had a 72-7 amateur record. Went 3-0 in the Olympics, and won a gold medal. Made his professional debut vying for the heavyweight championship of the world against Floyd Patterson. Got knocked down seven times, and stopped in the sixth round.
 
lol thought this was going to be an argument saying Tyson would have won that fight if they fought at the time, based on Tyson beating an elderly Holmes later on.

Glad I was wrong and I definitely would have picked Holmes to beat a rookie Mike Tyson and he would have done so handily in my opinion.
 
What do people think Conor's been doing in MMA? Again, Conor will not be straight boxing. 49 other pros have shown that thw traditional approach doesn't work against Floyd. Learning how to box is moot
 
On March 6th,1985, Mike Tyson made his professional debut. He knocked out tomato can Hector Mercedes at 1:47 of the first round. Later that month, on March 15th, 1985, Larry Holmes improved his record to 47-0 by stopping 14-0 David Bey at 2:58 of the 10th round. With the win, he also made the 18th consecutive defense of his heavyweight championship.

Forget those two fights ever happened. Match them up in that month, of that year. March, 1985. 0-0 Tyson Vs. 46-0 Larry Holmes.

Do you want to know what happens? Tyson gets beaten. Badly. Do you want to know why? Because a boxer needs to be developed correctly. A boxer needs to have his confidence built, he needs to learn ring generalship, and he needs to learn on the job about what to do when certain things happen. Cuts, point deductions, gassing out, an opponent fighting dirty, an opponent who can take his punch, how to rest, how to cater to the judges. Among many, many other things. Now, that's usually no big deal, because those things can be learned against lesser fighters in the ring, and serve as experience for when the fighter gets his moment in the sun with that big fight.

Tyson was 27-0 when he won the championship. In Tyson's case, that meant 74 professional rounds before he stepped into the sun for his moment. He went the distance in ten round bouts twice during that 27-0 stretch. He fought decent fighters like Marvis Frazier, James Tillis, and Jesse Ferguson during that stretch. He learned a lot, and he needed to. He knew he needed to, Cus knew he needed to, his whole damn team knew he needed to.

Not a single rational person on this planet will argue that 0-0 Conor is a better boxer than 0-0 Tyson. You would also be hard pressed to find someone who thinks the 35 year old, 46-0 Larry Holmes that we're talking about here, is a better boxer than the 40 year old, 49-0 Floyd Mayweather.

Yet, here we are. Five days out from MayMac, and some of you fools think Conor is going to stroll into Las Vegas, and lay out the greatest defensive fighter of this generation out with a straight left hand.

Why?



Just be patient only a few days left.
 
What do people think Conor's been doing in MMA? Again, Conor will not be straight boxing. 49 other pros have shown that thw traditional approach doesn't work against Floyd. Learning how to box is moot

It's the age old question, what is better at winning a boxing match - Boxing or something else

Also, what the FUCK is "the traditional approach"? Are you really so brainwashed by MMA that you think that there is one style in boxing, and it's "boxing"? Floyd has faced rangy southpaws, he's faced stocky orthodox power punchers, he's faced body punchers, he's faced brawlers, he's faced outfighters. What on EARTH is "the traditional approach"? You mean BOXING? in a BOXING MATCH?
 
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This is sold gold


Why you say?


Mike fucking Tyson

No one, has ever eclipsed him, they are referred to as like him, not as good as him

He is usually ranked like 50th all time.....but ok
 
It's the age old question, what is better at winning a boxing match - Boxing or something else

Also, what the FUCK is "the traditional approach"? Are you really so brainwashed by MMA that you think that there is one style in boxing, and it's "boxing"? Floyd has faced rangy southpaws, he's faced stocky orthodox power punchers, he's faced body punchers, he's faced brawlers, he's faced outfighters. What on EARTH is "the traditional approach"? You mean BOXING? in a BOXING MATCH?

Traditional in the sense that you have to earn your stripes in boxing to beat the best in boxing. 0-0 in ANY boxing match is as non-traditional as it comes.
 
How can you call this defence in boxing:

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You'd have to be a 'special' poster to agree.
 
Traditional in the sense that you have to earn your stripes in boxing to beat the best in boxing. 0-0 in ANY boxing match is as non-traditional as it comes.

. . .

WTF.

You DO have to earn your stripes in boxing to beat the best in boxing. You have to earn your stripes in ANYTHING to beat the best in ANYTHING.

In a previous post, I mentioned Rademacher challenging Patterson for the heavyweight championship of the world in his debut, and failing miserably.

Lomachenko was 1-0 when he challenged for a world title against Salido. He lost a split decision. Now, in his next fight, he defeated Gary Russell Jr. to win a world title, but it was by majority decision. After that fight, he won a unanimous decision. Since then, he has six straight stoppages and looks much more professional and developed as a fighter. Fighters NEED that grooming process.

Brock Lesnar was 1-0 when he took on former heavyweight champion Frank Mir. Lesnar did well, but got caught with a kneebar. Now, if Lesnar had taken some regional fights and worked his way up the ladder, and somewhere been threatened with a submission before Mir - would that loss still have happened? Who's to say, I'm not sure, but I am sure that once Lesnar had more experience - he beat Mir like he stole something. So there's that.

I can't recall a single instance where someone has been thrown into the deepest end of the pool without knowing how to swim, and not drowned. Enlighten me.
 
On March 6th,1985, Mike Tyson made his professional debut. He knocked out tomato can Hector Mercedes at 1:47 of the first round. Later that month, on March 15th, 1985, Larry Holmes improved his record to 47-0 by stopping 14-0 David Bey at 2:58 of the 10th round. With the win, he also made the 18th consecutive defense of his heavyweight championship.

Forget those two fights ever happened. Match them up in that month, of that year. March, 1985. 0-0 Tyson Vs. 46-0 Larry Holmes.

Do you want to know what happens? Tyson gets beaten. Badly. Do you want to know why? Because a boxer needs to be developed correctly. A boxer needs to have his confidence built, he needs to learn ring generalship, and he needs to learn on the job about what to do when certain things happen. Cuts, point deductions, gassing out, an opponent fighting dirty, an opponent who can take his punch, how to rest, how to cater to the judges. Among many, many other things. Now, that's usually no big deal, because those things can be learned against lesser fighters in the ring, and serve as experience for when the fighter gets his moment in the sun with that big fight.

Tyson was 27-0 when he won the championship. In Tyson's case, that meant 74 professional rounds before he stepped into the sun for his moment. He went the distance in ten round bouts twice during that 27-0 stretch. He fought decent fighters like Marvis Frazier, James Tillis, and Jesse Ferguson during that stretch. He learned a lot, and he needed to. He knew he needed to, Cus knew he needed to, his whole damn team knew he needed to.

Not a single rational person on this planet will argue that 0-0 Conor is a better boxer than 0-0 Tyson. You would also be hard pressed to find someone who thinks the 35 year old, 46-0 Larry Holmes that we're talking about here, is a better boxer than the 40 year old, 49-0 Floyd Mayweather.

Yet, here we are. Five days out from MayMac, and some of you fools think Conor is going to stroll into Las Vegas, and lay out the greatest defensive fighter of this generation out with a straight left hand.

Why?

I thought you were going to go the other way with this.

You are correct. Holmes would have tooled Tyson at that point in their respective careers.

(I still think Conor has a slight chance though... just as Tyson would have.)
 
Tyson was always a terrible match up for Holmes. Holmes took a beating like I have never seen in their bout.
 
Not a single rational person on this planet will argue that 0-0 Conor is a better boxer than 0-0 Tyson. You would also be hard pressed to find someone who thinks the 35 year old, 46-0 Larry Holmes that we're talking about here, is a better boxer than the 40 year old, 49-0 Floyd Mayweather.

Yet, here we are. Five days out from MayMac, and some of you fools think Conor is going to stroll into Las Vegas, and lay out the greatest defensive fighter of this generation out with a straight left hand.

Why?

Conor is more talented than Tyson was.
 
Tyson would of had a punchers chance. McConor Greggor doesn't even have that.
 
Yet, here we are. Five days out from MayMac, and some of you fools think Conor is going to stroll into Las Vegas, and lay out the greatest defensive fighter of this generation out with a straight left hand.

Why?

Great boxing scenario.
Inside your head be like> Our boxing who art in boxing, boxing be thy name thy kingdom boxing thy will be boxing in boxing as it is in boxing. Give us this boxing our daily boxing..hail boxing full of boxing..

EVERYONE doesn't think like this. BRUCE LEE SHIT.
How you ask?
Then listen. BRUCE LEE SHIT.
 
Its a good analogy that almost perfectly mirrors the perception of this fight. In that context, I'm sure there are even more, that would illustrate the situation at hand. Now there are probably situations, where the green rookie, would still be considered legitimate threats. e.g. 0-0 Floyd Mayweather himself, probably had a decent shot of beating the champ at the time (1997). Even still, he would've been a decided underdog in the fight, so the point is well-taken.
 
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