March 1985: 0-0 Mike Tyson Vs. 46-0 Larry Holmes

"A boxer needs to have his confidence built"

Connor allready has all the confidence in the world.
 
On March 6th,1985, Mike Tyson made his professional debut. He knocked out tomato can Hector Mercedes at 1:47 of the first round. Later that month, on March 15th, 1985, Larry Holmes improved his record to 47-0 by stopping 14-0 David Bey at 2:58 of the 10th round. With the win, he also made the 18th consecutive defense of his heavyweight championship.

Forget those two fights ever happened. Match them up in that month, of that year. March, 1985. 0-0 Tyson Vs. 46-0 Larry Holmes.

Do you want to know what happens? Tyson gets beaten. Badly. Do you want to know why? Because a boxer needs to be developed correctly. A boxer needs to have his confidence built, he needs to learn ring generalship, and he needs to learn on the job about what to do when certain things happen. Cuts, point deductions, gassing out, an opponent fighting dirty, an opponent who can take his punch, how to rest, how to cater to the judges. Among many, many other things. Now, that's usually no big deal, because those things can be learned against lesser fighters in the ring, and serve as experience for when the fighter gets his moment in the sun with that big fight.

Tyson was 27-0 when he won the championship. In Tyson's case, that meant 74 professional rounds before he stepped into the sun for his moment. He went the distance in ten round bouts twice during that 27-0 stretch. He fought decent fighters like Marvis Frazier, James Tillis, and Jesse Ferguson during that stretch. He learned a lot, and he needed to. He knew he needed to, Cus knew he needed to, his whole damn team knew he needed to.

Not a single rational person on this planet will argue that 0-0 Conor is a better boxer than 0-0 Tyson. You would also be hard pressed to find someone who thinks the 35 year old, 46-0 Larry Holmes that we're talking about here, is a better boxer than the 40 year old, 49-0 Floyd Mayweather.

Yet, here we are. Five days out from MayMac, and some of you fools think Conor is going to stroll into Las Vegas, and lay out the greatest defensive fighter of this generation out with a straight left hand.

Why?
For the lols.

Can't imagine any other reason.
 
. . .

WTF.

You DO have to earn your stripes in boxing to beat the best in boxing. You have to earn your stripes in ANYTHING to beat the best in ANYTHING.

In a previous post, I mentioned Rademacher challenging Patterson for the heavyweight championship of the world in his debut, and failing miserably.

Lomachenko was 1-0 when he challenged for a world title against Salido. He lost a split decision. Now, in his next fight, he defeated Gary Russell Jr. to win a world title, but it was by majority decision. After that fight, he won a unanimous decision. Since then, he has six straight stoppages and looks much more professional and developed as a fighter. Fighters NEED that grooming process.

Brock Lesnar was 1-0 when he took on former heavyweight champion Frank Mir. Lesnar did well, but got caught with a kneebar. Now, if Lesnar had taken some regional fights and worked his way up the ladder, and somewhere been threatened with a submission before Mir - would that loss still have happened? Who's to say, I'm not sure, but I am sure that once Lesnar had more experience - he beat Mir like he stole something. So there's that.

I can't recall a single instance where someone has been thrown into the deepest end of the pool without knowing how to swim, and not drowned. Enlighten me.
But...but...but UFC hype machine, Joe Silva, making the matches that the fans want, record padding, meaningless belts, a million weight classes...
 
How can you call this defence in boxing:

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You'd have to be a 'special' poster to agree.
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On March 6th,1985, Mike Tyson made his professional debut. He knocked out tomato can Hector Mercedes at 1:47 of the first round. Later that month, on March 15th, 1985, Larry Holmes improved his record to 47-0 by stopping 14-0 David Bey at 2:58 of the 10th round. With the win, he also made the 18th consecutive defense of his heavyweight championship.

Forget those two fights ever happened. Match them up in that month, of that year. March, 1985. 0-0 Tyson Vs. 46-0 Larry Holmes.

Do you want to know what happens? Tyson gets beaten. Badly. Do you want to know why? Because a boxer needs to be developed correctly. A boxer needs to have his confidence built, he needs to learn ring generalship, and he needs to learn on the job about what to do when certain things happen. Cuts, point deductions, gassing out, an opponent fighting dirty, an opponent who can take his punch, how to rest, how to cater to the judges. Among many, many other things. Now, that's usually no big deal, because those things can be learned against lesser fighters in the ring, and serve as experience for when the fighter gets his moment in the sun with that big fight.

Tyson was 27-0 when he won the championship. In Tyson's case, that meant 74 professional rounds before he stepped into the sun for his moment. He went the distance in ten round bouts twice during that 27-0 stretch. He fought decent fighters like Marvis Frazier, James Tillis, and Jesse Ferguson during that stretch. He learned a lot, and he needed to. He knew he needed to, Cus knew he needed to, his whole damn team knew he needed to.

Not a single rational person on this planet will argue that 0-0 Conor is a better boxer than 0-0 Tyson. You would also be hard pressed to find someone who thinks the 35 year old, 46-0 Larry Holmes that we're talking about here, is a better boxer than the 40 year old, 49-0 Floyd Mayweather.

Yet, here we are. Five days out from MayMac, and some of you fools think Conor is going to stroll into Las Vegas, and lay out the greatest defensive fighter of this generation out with a straight left hand.

Why?

 
I agree. Tyson showed that he need much improvement to be done when he fought James Tillis.

Holmes would had school Tyson in hi9s first pro fight.
 
Yes, people are fantastically stupid. But this is good thing. Everybody will win more money betting on Floyd than they usually would
 
On March 6th,1985, Mike Tyson made his professional debut. He knocked out tomato can Hector Mercedes at 1:47 of the first round. Later that month, on March 15th, 1985, Larry Holmes improved his record to 47-0 by stopping 14-0 David Bey at 2:58 of the 10th round. With the win, he also made the 18th consecutive defense of his heavyweight championship.

Forget those two fights ever happened. Match them up in that month, of that year. March, 1985. 0-0 Tyson Vs. 46-0 Larry Holmes.

Do you want to know what happens? Tyson gets beaten. Badly. Do you want to know why? Because a boxer needs to be developed correctly. A boxer needs to have his confidence built, he needs to learn ring generalship, and he needs to learn on the job about what to do when certain things happen. Cuts, point deductions, gassing out, an opponent fighting dirty, an opponent who can take his punch, how to rest, how to cater to the judges. Among many, many other things. Now, that's usually no big deal, because those things can be learned against lesser fighters in the ring, and serve as experience for when the fighter gets his moment in the sun with that big fight.

Tyson was 27-0 when he won the championship. In Tyson's case, that meant 74 professional rounds before he stepped into the sun for his moment. He went the distance in ten round bouts twice during that 27-0 stretch. He fought decent fighters like Marvis Frazier, James Tillis, and Jesse Ferguson during that stretch. He learned a lot, and he needed to. He knew he needed to, Cus knew he needed to, his whole damn team knew he needed to.

Not a single rational person on this planet will argue that 0-0 Conor is a better boxer than 0-0 Tyson. You would also be hard pressed to find someone who thinks the 35 year old, 46-0 Larry Holmes that we're talking about here, is a better boxer than the 40 year old, 49-0 Floyd Mayweather.

Yet, here we are. Five days out from MayMac, and some of you fools think Conor is going to stroll into Las Vegas, and lay out the greatest defensive fighter of this generation out with a straight left hand.

Why?


So Conor just has to beat 20 or so bums to pad his record and then he'll be ready? lmao, boxing dorks are so delusional even about their own sport.
 
So Conor just has to beat 20 or so bums to pad his record and then he'll be ready? lmao, boxing dorks are so delusional even about their own sport.

Nah.

He still wouldn't be anywhere near ready. However, it would improve his chances. He would gain experience, improve his ring IQ, develop his craft. At least then, he would probably go the distance. As it stands? He gets dropped multiple times, and eventually stopped.

You'll see on Saturday.
 
So Conor just has to beat 20 or so bums to pad his record and then he'll be ready? lmao, boxing dorks are so delusional even about their own sport.
Having an actual record helps; you know, for the sake of credibility.
 
Nah.

He still wouldn't be anywhere near ready. However, it would improve his chances. He would gain experience, improve his ring IQ, develop his craft. At least then, he would probably go the distance. As it stands? He gets dropped multiple times, and eventually stopped.

You'll see on Saturday.

I look forward to seeing you squirm.
 
No, if Tyson fought for the championship belt, he'd win it. Don't act like that was his first rodeo. Same with Conor. He's always been a champ. He went to war many times. 5x5 rounds is much more taxing than 12x3 rounds. Conor is in his prime. He is not getting any younger. It's now or never. His mental is on par if not better than Floyd. His cardio is prime right now. He will only get older and weaker. This is the perfect moment.
 
Lomachenko vs salido would be a more recent example and Conor is no Loma and Floyd is levels above.salido
 
What do people think Conor's been doing in MMA? Again, Conor will not be straight boxing. 49 other pros have shown that thw traditional approach doesn't work against Floyd. Learning how to box is moot

if he does knees during thai clinch, would be something new. i agree
 
This is sold gold


Why you say?


Mike fucking Tyson

No one, has ever eclipsed him, they are referred to as like him, not as good as him

He would be lucky to scrape his way into a top 15 list of heavyweights, and half of the reason he would would be due to the persona he had. P4p he might make a top 50.
 
No, if Tyson fought for the championship belt, he'd win it. Don't act like that was his first rodeo. Same with Conor. He's always been a champ. He went to war many times. 5x5 rounds is much more taxing than 12x3 rounds. Conor is in his prime. He is not getting any younger. It's now or never. His mental is on par if not better than Floyd. His cardio is prime right now. He will only get older and weaker. This is the perfect moment.

"his mental is on par"

His skills aren't. He can't win this fight. Let it go.
 
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