Karate is becoming the Alpha base for UFC greatness. (Proof in Video Blog and Notes)

I think the OP has some interesting points on how karate dojos are incorporating more MMA like training and equipment, and how they are looking closer to MMA than sports like muay thai.

But sadly, I have a hard time taking the post seriously when there are quotes like this one being presented as big arguments
1. My kid lost a PointMMA match to a karate kid

If the first post had been rewritten and distilled down a bit, think it could've been a way better thread.
 
I would be pissed if my dad put a video of me losing on the internet
 
No mention of lyoto? He put karate on the map and is still getting spectacular KOs at 40 years old
 
1. My kid lost a PointMMA match to a karate kid

Your kid lost to an A level athlete who was bigger than him, it is that simple. Also in an actual fight your kid might have won since he has such a high motor.
 
Karate works in certain aspects but def need to change things up if you wanna compete mma
 
Karate is not the alpha base lol. Wrestling and boxing have been proven to be the best.

Look no further than the only champion on the current UFC roster that is a karate black belt, Rose Namajunas. She didn't become a top level striker until she adopted boxing as her main form of striking. Since she adopted and developed her boxing, she beat who many believed was the best technical striker in WMMA twice in standup fights. Not to mention, for this thread specifically, she completely dominated a Karate specialist in Michelle Waterson.

A problem with Karate in MMA is that it is not a high damage martial art, and professional MMA is scored by damage. GSP didn't win fights because of his karate, he won because of his wrestling. Karate is a fine base for wrestlers if you're looking to be someone to get it to the ground, which is why Cejudo adopted it. He easily lost every round to DJ that he didn't get a takedown, and only won those rounds questionably because of the takedowns.
 
It has almost completed a full circle. From creating the worst (most delusional) fighters in the world to quickly becoming the best combat sport to prepare you for UFC.



I trained TKD for about 5 years. UFC popped up, showed me the light, I switched to MMA and I’ve been bashing karate ever since (20 years now).

This past weekend I found out Karate is back.

(Disclaimer: I know everyone will say the best way to train for UFC is training MMA. That is only possible for a small amount of people. For non-pros, kids and newbies the high level MMA training (equivalent to Junior Olympic/Collegiate/National) and widespread availability of (smoker/Kids) MMA fights is limited to small areas in Cali or Vegas. You can find super high level Boxing, Wrestling, karate, BJJ competitions and coaches in most areas. Unless you are lucky, if you want world class specialized training you must pick a base of Karate, Boxing, Wrestling or BJJ)

Proof of my epiphany in order of occurrence:
1. My kid lost a PointMMA match to a karate kid
My kid is a high level youth BBJ, Boxer, and Wrestler he should destroy a karate kid. Check out the video to see my little beast lose to Karate Kid in a PointMMA match.

2. Continuous Sparring
At the karate tournament I walked around and watched continuous sparring. Take a look at the video to see a couple quick shots I took of the action. It has completely changed. It looks like kick boxing. Most of the fighters wore kickboxing gear (instead of the crappy foam Karate stuff). They were good fights, they hit each other hard and each karate guy fought multiple matches far exceeding the one fight you get per two months in Boxing/MT. They put in years’ worth of ring time in one day.

3. Karate Combat
After the tournament I looked up Karate Combat in Athens, Greece. 8 fights 8 finishes, all black belt karate peeps, in karate stance, wearing MMA gloves, using boxing, wrestling, kickboxing and Karate to win the fight. The event was legit and the karate fighters were legit. It looked much closer to MMA than Muay Tia, K1, any type of Grappling event or other combat sport competition. Some of these dojo monkeys looked ready for UFC.

4. PointMMA
I researched local karate gyms and they have all started doing BJJ, and MMA on top of their karate curriculum. They even do PointMMA sparring were you get bracket tournament style modified MMA matches. The PointMMA tournament my kid was in had people fighting up to 5 times in one day. I saw Broken teeth, broken nose, shoulder dislocation, knockouts... it was brutal. The total opposite of what karate was before. It was raw and the closest thing to MMA I’ve ever seen in a local unsanctioned setting.

5. Wonderboy and Sage Northcutt
I re-watched Wonderboy and Sage Northcutt’s fights. I used to think their success was due to a switch to MMA training along with the distance management they learned from karate. After going to these Karate Tournaments and seeing how sparring has changed... i think they learned to fight though karate.

6. Henry Cejudo
I Listen to our new Flyweight champ Henry Cejudo on UFC Unfiltered talking about fighting in a karate stance, rather than a typical boxing stance . He says he’s switched to a karate style??? A boxer wrestler switched to a karate stance to win the UFC belt.

Karate is back and has evolved into a legitimate way to become a successful UFC fighter.

My current rank order of useful combat sports (with consistent completion participation) to become a UFC Fighter:
1.Wrestling
2.Karate
3.Boxing
4.Muay Thai
5.BJJ (has replaced karate as the new Mc dojo useless martial art)

What is your order of combat style usefulness?

I predict we will soon complete the circle:
Year 2010: BBJ own Karate
Year 2020: Karate owns BBJ


Just no.
 
Now if I argue with someone on here, I see what their age ranges are.
 
Sounds like your kid just got beat up by some karate chump and you’re making excuses.
 
What a fucking shit post you should be embarrassed dude.
That shit aint karate no more if they're wrestling and boxing and shit like that, that's MMA.
Pure karate loses to all other legit martial arts 99/100 times.

You are proving my point karate has gotten rid of the BS and is moving towards true proven Martial Arts technique. The others combat arts are still focusing on the same stuff (bjj is actually getting worse with butt scooting)
 
Look at all of the current champs. Do any of them have karate as their “alpha base?”

No. In fact, majority of them have wrestling as their base. That’s the true alpha base in terms of success in the ufc today.
 
Your post makes very little sense... if Karate guys are now training other martial arts then it clearly isn’t just karate...the best thing surely is to train MMA and have it set up so you can do this from a young age. This would mean your base is MMA...

It’s karate with the bs taking out. Pretty soon it will more effective to join a karate gym than a BBJ gym. Karate is less and less watered down. BJJ is increasingly more and more ummm fake.
 
So far karate is having a great success thanks to Wonderboy, Mcg, Cejudo and others. but once the hand framing strategy of karate gets deciphered it's over. just like when bjj was dominant and wrestling in the early days of mma.
 
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