Jones is destroying heavyweight

[dildos]

more than anything jones is screwing over black beast right now, who beat the last person to beat aspinall.

this is fucking terrible imo.

black beast should be champ.

 

[Dr Fong]

Well.... Jon Jones is fighting Stipe in New York in November. Prob gonna be UFC 308.
This has been previously hinted at by Stipe but Dana White effectively confirmed it during the St.Louis post-fight presser.

Watching Dana's reaction to certain questions and paying careful attention to his mannerisms & expressions and stuff gives good clues as to future happenings....
Here it is Timestamped :

Only a 20-month wait for a guy who won a vacant belt to defend against a 42-year-old coming off a 44-month layoff after getting brutally KOd while the interim champ sits on the shelf

What's there to complain about?

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Jones‘ whole career will now be looked back on as a guy who ducked the true champ to fight a 43 year old who’s last fight was a KO loss 3 years prior.

Nobody cares about the Stipe fight and it proves nothing. It’s clear Jon wants an easy win to retire off of with name value instead of a young killer. It’s pathetic and if I were Dana, I’d make him give up the belt to fight Stipe.

 

[ricains_cretins]

Jones doesn't run the UFC. White does. White is the one acquiescing what Jones wants. He should be the one trying to get the better for the competition and the fans.

 

[italiamusica]

Jones is just a massive piece of shit lol. Beating old man Stipe means nothing, yet he's gonna do it and then retire and the UFC is gonna say he beat Godking Stipe and that Jones is now the GOAT Godemperor of the universe. Stupid.

 

[AstralPanda]

Tom Aspinall has shown the skills to potentially be the Stipe Miocic of this generation of heavyweight. But Jones has been sitting on the title for over a year and refuses to fight him. Imagine if Werdum had ducked Stipe for two years and then retired without ever facing him. Stipe would not have set the title defense record and not be considered UFC GOAT heavyweight. He would just be another guy who got the belt one time. Jones is screwing over every active heavyweight in the top 5 from having a legacy of their own.

I don't think we would even want to see Jones in another fight unless it truly motivates him / gets the juices flowing.

It would be another OSP, Reyes, Smith, Santos, Gus 1

Hes had a few stinker performances, relative to his potential and level of talent and it's because he fought all comers.

Compare that to how he showed up against DC.

When you're at that age, motivation Is a huge factor.

Even mighty mouse wont fight again unless its something that gets his blood pumping.


If it's his last fight, as the consensus goat, I think he's entitled to take a fight that actually gets him up in the morning running. Otherwise, there probably isn't a point.

And this is a common theme with many fighters at that stage.

Someone you can sell a fight with, create a big event with, someone with some accolades behind them.

Once you start getting up there in age and only have a few left, you see fighters being very specific about who they want fight. Same has always been true in boxing as well. Probably other sports too if you dig deeper.


People might hate, but ultimately, it will end up being a lot better for the fans, all said and done if Jon takes a fight he's actually motivated to take.

Not one where he takes a massive pay cut to fight a guy with no personality, accolades or anything to really gain from.

All this in mind, you could understand wanting the champ vs champ fight against Poatan.


Sucks for Tom, but that's the game. If he had some genuine, ngannou level hype behind him.


It would all play out very differently.

 

[blaseblase]

I don't think we would even want to see Jones in another fight unless it truly motivates him / gets the juices flowing.

It would be another OSP, Reyes, Smith, Santos, Gus 1

Hes had a few stinker performances, relative to his potential and level of talent and it's because he fought all comers.

Compare that to how he showed up against DC.

When you're at that age, motivation Is a huge factor.

Even mighty mouse wont fight again unless its something that gets his blood pumping.


If it's his last fight, as the consensus goat, I think he's entitled to take a fight that actually gets him up in the morning running. Otherwise, there probably isn't a point.

And this is a common theme with many fighters at that stage.

Someone you can sell a fight with, create a big event with, someone with some accolades behind them.

Once you start getting up there in age and only have a few left, you see fighters being very specific about who they want fight. Same has always been true in boxing as well. Probably other sports too if you dig deeper.


People might hate, but ultimately, it will end up being a lot better for the fans, all said and done if Jon takes a fight he's actually motivated to take.

Not one where he takes a massive pay cut to fight a guy with no personality, accolades or anything to really gain from.

All this in mind, you could understand wanting the champ vs champ fight against Poatan.


Sucks for Tom, but that's the game. If he had some genuine, ngannou level hype behind him.


It would all play out very differently.

If he doesn't want to face the best fighter in the world then give up the title. As it stands he's holding up the division.

This is another Bisping/Romero situation where a number one contender is getting screwed because the champ wants easier fights.

 

[AstralPanda]

If he doesn't want to face the best fighter in the world then give up the title. As it stands he's holding up the division.

If this was just a sport with a linear hierarchy of rankings, deservedness and opponents, then I might agree.

But we all know that it's not. It's entertainment and a business.

And because of his seniority, all time status and the fact that he's one of the few stars they have left

Both Jones and the UFC will be opting for the biggest fights they can possibly make with him, while they still have him.

There have been cases like this in combat sports for generations and if nothing else, should inspire up and coming fighters to focus on building their hype, brand, notoriety so they can get these bigger fights.

Poatan is a big star, tremendous hype behind him. So they'll definitely want to make the champ vs champ fight happen after Stipe, presumably.

 

[RedDevilFan]

Except everyone knew that Francis was leaving after the Gane fight. He told anyone who would listen that he was leaving unless the UFC let him box, and Dana was clear that it would never happen. He took the Gane fight with a torn knee for the explicit purpose of getting out of his contract (it was the last fight on an 8-fight deal).

By the time Jones "came to terms," everyone who was paying attention (including Jones) knew Francis was out. To suggest otherwise is revisionist history.

Nobody knew he was leaving outside of Ngannou. The UFC offered Ngannou $8 million to fight Jon Jones, plus pay-per-view points that would have likely brought his total take to roughly $10 million. One of the key problems from Ngannou's side is what he would have made in the UFC deal had he lost to Jones. Ngannou wanted a 3 fight deal with Stipe and Jones twice.

The problem was with Ngannou

Ngannou is to blame as he priced himself out of what he was asking for with that 3 fight deal and then boxing. He asked for a right to sponsorship, He asked for health insurance. He asked for somebody in the board meetings, a fighter advocate.

Nobody was going to get that shit. Ngannou mentioned that he was going to do all those fights in a year before his move to boxing, So its funny how so many fight fans cry about something they actually do not even know about,

 

[ferrisjso]

Nobody knew he was leaving outside of Ngannou. The UFC offered Ngannou $8 million to fight Jon Jones, plus pay-per-view points that would have likely brought his total take to roughly $10 million. One of the key problems from Ngannou's side is what he would have made in the UFC deal had he lost to Jones. Ngannou wanted a 3 fight deal with Stipe and Jones twice.

The problem was with Ngannou

Ngannou is to blame as he priced himself out of what he was asking for with that 3 fight deal and then boxing. He asked for a right to sponsorship, He asked for health insurance. He asked for somebody in the board meetings, a fighter advocate.

Nobody was going to get that shit. Ngannou mentioned that he was going to do all those fights in a year before his move to boxing, So its funny how so many fight fans cry about something they actually do not even know about,

I don't blame Francis for what he did and for himself he did the right thing. But people are turning around and calling Jones a duck for a decision outside of his control. And theres something igregiously unfair about that.

 

[ferrisjso]

If he doesn't want to face the best fighter in the world then give up the title. As it stands he's holding up the division.

This is another Bisping/Romero situation where a number one contender is getting screwed because the champ wants easier fights.

Hendo and Stipe deserved free title shots to retire if we're being completley honest with ourselves.

Also 2017 MW was different because it was full of old people at the end of their careers and they had very little time left to fight at a high level. And said was being squandered. This is not that its actually the opposite of that with trying to get one last fight out of Stipe which people very meanly don't care about. Aspullnall will be fighting long after Jones or Stipe is gone.

 

[RedDevilFan]

I don't blame Francis for what he did and for himself he did the right thing. But people are turning around and calling Jones a duck for a decision outside of his control. And theres something igregiously unfair about that.

I agree with you and I also respect Francis decision to make more money and I applaud him. The contention is with these idiots who do not really know what transpired, including goofy moderators.

 

[AstralPanda]

Nobody knew he was leaving outside of Ngannou. The UFC offered Ngannou $8 million to fight Jon Jones, plus pay-per-view points that would have likely brought his total take to roughly $10 million. One of the key problems from Ngannou's side is what he would have made in the UFC deal had he lost to Jones. Ngannou wanted a 3 fight deal with Stipe and Jones twice.

The problem was with Ngannou

Ngannou is to blame as he priced himself out of what he was asking for with that 3 fight deal and then boxing. He asked for a right to sponsorship, He asked for health insurance. He asked for somebody in the board meetings, a fighter advocate.

Nobody was going to get that shit. He mentioned to do all those fights in a year before his move to boxing, So its funny how so many fight fans cry about something they actually do not even know about,

Jones was already signed and linked to the march card long before Ngannou finally left.

Francis was offered the fight in contract form, declined and decided to box. Stated by Ngannou and his own team.

Chael who hates Jon more than anyone said he agreed to 3 fights( Ngannou, Gane, Pavlovich) and deserves some credit.

People just like to rewrite history when it comes to fighters they don't like.

 

[AstralPanda]

I agree with you and I also respect Francis decision to make more money and I applaud him. The contention is with these idiots who do not really know what transpired, including goofy moderators.

Ironically, Francis made a mirror decision to what Jones is doing now.

A decision that made the most sense for him financially, his family, future wealth.

It's not like he was afraid to fight Jones either.

But sometimes business decisions that affect your livelihood supercede all else, especially when you're as old as these guys are.

 

[ferrisjso]

Jones was already signed and linked to the march card long before Ngannou finally left.

Francis was offered the fight in contract form, declined and decided to box. Stated by Ngannou and his own team.

Chael who hates Jon more than anyone said he agreed to 3 fights( Ngannou, Gane, Pavlovich) and deserves some credit.

People just like to rewrite history when it comes to fighters they don't like.

Exactly. But thats incompatible with the fanfiction universe that exists within the Jon Jones haters soul. The one where Jones hunts pregnant women for sport and is in chaoots with USADA to let him cheat.

 

[blaseblase]

Nobody knew he was leaving outside of Ngannou. The UFC offered Ngannou $8 million to fight Jon Jones, plus pay-per-view points that would have likely brought his total take to roughly $10 million. One of the key problems from Ngannou's side is what he would have made in the UFC deal had he lost to Jones. Ngannou wanted a 3 fight deal with Stipe and Jones twice.

The problem was with Ngannou

Ngannou is to blame as he priced himself out of what he was asking for with that 3 fight deal and then boxing. He asked for a right to sponsorship, He asked for health insurance. He asked for somebody in the board meetings, a fighter advocate.

Nobody was going to get that shit. Ngannou mentioned that he was going to do all those fights in a year before his move to boxing, So its funny how so many fight fans cry about something they actually do not even know about,

Ngannou made his intent clear. He was always going to wait for free agency. The UFC did not need to release him. They could have matched PFL's offer and retained. It's in the contract that they have a right to match. Just like they could have kept Cyborg. Except Dana threw a tantrum and just outright released both of them to put them in a weaker position out of spite.

Jones spent over 2 years ducking that fight. If you're going to argue Ngannou priced himself out then let's talk about Jones pricing himself out for all that time by demanding Deontay Wilder money. Then magically AFTER Ngannou fulfills the last fight of his contract Jones somehow comes to terms. He could have done that 2 years earlier and the fight would have happened.

It's just funny how quickly the narrative switches among UFC shills now that Ngannou is no longer with the company. Back then it was obvious Jones was ducking and even Dana was calling him out on it.

 

[RedDevilFan]

Ngannou made his intent clear. He was always going to wait for free agency. The UFC did not need to release him. They could have matched PFL's offer and retained. It's in the contract that they have a right to match. Just like they could have kept Cyborg. Except Dana threw a tantrum and just outright released both of them to put them in a weaker position.

Jones spent over 2 years ducking that fight. If you're going to argue Ngannou priced himself out then let's talk about Jones pricing himself out for all that time by demanding Deontay Wilder money. Then magically AFTER Ngannou fulfills the last fight of his contract Jones somehow comes to terms. He could have done that 2 years earlier and the fight would have happened.

It's just funny how quickly the narrative switches among UFC shills now that Ngannou is no longer with the company. Back then it was obvious Jones was ducking and even Dana was calling him out on it.

We already stated the facts. Ngannou estimated the new deal would pay him “around” $8 million to fight Jon Jones at UFC 285.

You were already given the facts, Jones signed his fight deal and no narrative. The UFC also negotiated with Ngannou but there was a sticking point that ultimately killed the deal: Ngannou didn’t want the standard UFC contract. Ngannou mentioned that In that contract, I’m not free,” he said. “I’m not an independent contractor. I have no rights. I hand over all the power to you guys. I’ve seen in the past how you guys can utilize your power against me, and I don’t want that.

So he left

Dana was not going to give him sponsership rights, or health insurance or a fighter advocate. He wanted a different UFC contract and a different one then even Jon Jones signed.

The narrative of jones ducking him for 2 years or 90 years is asinine. Ngannou had a contract on his table and wanted to finish those fights before his move to boxing but ultimately turned it down because he did not want a normal UFC contract. The problem is with the jon jones dickhead brigade who have an issue with him and want to make things up when they have no clue what transpired. Ngannou and his team already stated what happened and it was him and his team who did not want to sign the contract. I cannot hate him for getting his money but it was on Ngannou.

 

[AstralPanda]

Ngannou made his intent clear. He was always going to wait for free agency. The UFC did not need to release him. They could have matched PFL's offer and retained. It's in the contract that they have a right to match. Just like they could have kept Cyborg. Except Dana threw a tantrum and just outright released both of them to put them in a weaker position out of spite.

Jones spent over 2 years ducking that fight. If you're going to argue Ngannou priced himself out then let's talk about Jones pricing himself out for all that time by demanding Deontay Wilder money. Then magically AFTER Ngannou fulfills the last fight of his contract Jones somehow comes to terms. He could have done that 2 years earlier and the fight would have happened.

It's just funny how quickly the narrative switches among UFC shills now that Ngannou is no longer with the company. Back then it was obvious Jones was ducking and even Dana was calling him out on it.

Dana white isn't a resource, so referring to him saying Jones asked for Deontay Wilder money is a little ridiculous. Especially in the middle of negotiations. He's known to air things out in public as a form of strong arm negotiation tactic.

Usually how negotiations work is you throw out bigger numbers first and then meet in the middle.

The UFC did finally agree to whatever he was asking for.

According to the media, Chael, Dana, DC, Jones was back around mid summer 2022 and was even linked to fight Stipe in December of that year. Before finally being linked to the march card.

So, every indication Is that Jones was signed long before Ngannou left.

Case in point, Ngannou was offered a contract in writing for the Jones fight. The UFC wouldn't just give you a contract under the contingency that Jones might sign.

Gaining weight for 2 years before fighting at HW is not ducking. If he was ducking, why dedicate yourself to such a huge transition? Seems like quite the opposite. It shows clear intent to fight.

Why would you not gain weight to feel comfortable fighting bigger guys? Are you saying he was ducking because he didn't fight immediately at his normal LHW weight? Irregardless of any contract issues?

Ngannou or the HW title was always the fight. It's the only thing that would warrant the pay bump he was asking for, which preceded his decision to move to HW in the first place.

Him taking the time, eating, powerlifting, doing whatever he could to get bigger would've always been in preparation for the biggest fight in the division.

Otherwise, there's no way the UFC would agree to any of his demands.

If Ngannou signed, the fight would've happened. That's where the discussion begins and ends. Everything else is just fantasy.

 

[7 others]

Imagine if either Stipe or Jon pulls out of the fight days before their scheduled bout lmaooo

 

[blaseblase]

Hendo and Stipe deserved free title shots to retire if we're being completley honest with ourselves.

No, they didnt. If they can't beat top contenders they don't deserve a title shot. Otherwise why not drag Randy Couture out of retirement?

Also 2017 MW was different because it was full of old people at the end of their careers and they had very little time left to fight at a high level. And said was being squandered. This is not that its actually the opposite of that with trying to get one last fight out of Stipe which people very meanly don't care about. Aspullnall will be fighting long after Jones or Stipe is gone.

That's what people thought about Cain, then injuries ended his career. 2 years is a long time in fight years. If Jones fights Stipe in November that's 20 months that the title has not been defended. Stipe is supposed to be the greatest UFC heavyweight because he defended 3 times right? Take 20 months out of his title reign and he'd only have a single defense.

Tom Aspinall is 31. They are wasting his prime with this Jones bullshit. JDS and Cain fell off around 33. Whatever run Tom is destined to go on he should be getting the opportunity to do it now. He already had to deal with a leg injury taking him out a year. Let's not waste any more of his prime.