JLaw helping lead effort to doxx all Cville supremacists

[BassAckwards]

These guys marched publicly. I'm not sure why they'd be upset. They aren't hiding. They took a stand for their beliefs.

This is part of what taking a stand entails.

true, but to doxx people for their beliefs is pretty wrong, especially if they havent broken any laws.

 

[KhabibTheBeagle]

Yep.

But people are pretty much done being afraid of just ambiguously being called a "racist". You get called a Nazi for supporting free speech.

But, if you're locking arms with actual Nazi's, in a public space, people are going to identify you with those you're marching with. You're aligning yourself with Nazi's. That's your own mistake, if you're not a Nazi or white supremacist. Perhaps you should organize your own event to portray your values separately.

I'm not going to lock arms and show solidarity with hate groups, even if they're marching in support of values that I hold.

They should have purged them from their ranks, right from the go. It was an opportunity for them to show that they do not identify with the Nazis. Instead, they hung on with them, for the sake of bolstering numbers, making everyone involved look awful.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Dude nazis are so foul that as soon as the swastika comes out no one is going to be anywhere near that if that isnt the kinda person they are. I get the argument that you are making but in this situation its absurd

We as humans can't let symbols have that much power over us. Before it was Nazi, it was Commie. Before Commie, it was Jew. Before Jew, it was Satanist. Before Satanist, it was Witch. Before Witch, it was Pagan. Before Pagan, it was Christian.

Don't u see how goofy this all is? If it's OK to beat Nazi's then it's OK to beat the Commies that are at every leftist rally. Commies killed many, many times more than the Nazi's after all, but the Germans bore the full brunt of WWII if you wanna get technical. Any and all censorship is bad. And resorting to hysteria and violence is even worse.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

true, but to doxx people for their beliefs is pretty wrong, especially if they havent broken any laws.

In before "BUT THEY ARE NAZIS!!!!"

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I am cool with it, but they need to do the same to the BLM, Communists, and ANTIFA assholes.

If by "they" you mean "regular people", absolutely NOTHING is stopping you from doing the same. Antifa, communists, and socialists have been around for decades, you know. Go ahead and out them!

The harsh, horrible truth you'll find is that BLM, Antifa and the rest simply aren't morally equivalent with white nationalists. Unfortunately for you, we're civilized enough to recognize that one group advocates for dominance and oppression, while the other fights against it.

So you guys' desperate attempts at equating the two will fall on deaf ears.

But go ahead and try it. Point out the sympathizers. Look, I found three right here!

 

[ineverpost]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...hite-supremacists_us_5991e436e4b09071f69ba084

People who attended the march in Cville and had their pictures taken while out in public are now facing the wrath of the anonymous internet, who are matching their faces from photos to their social media to track them down and make them face real repercussions for being nazis/white supremacists.

A clip from the article:
"At least one person, a man named Cole White, was fired from his job as a cook at hot dog chain Top Dog in Berkeley, California, after his employers were notified of his participation in the march, CBS reported.

Another man who was identified was later publicly disowned by his family in an open letter to the press."

How do you feel about the hate groups losing the anonymity of marching in public together?

I'd suggest to the sherdog Trumptrolls to be careful about which protests you attend.

what a huge blow to the hot dog service industry.

 

[ineverpost]

I'm sure its been pointed out, But its in the Constitution that you cannot be fired from a job for political beliefs.
So if they did get rid of that guy from cooking hot dogs then he stands to make a shit load of money in lawsuits, the same with anyone else falling victim to this 'doxxing' spree.

If all the Right are Nazi's then it follows suit that all the Left are Communists? Stalin or Hitler is a great choice to make, which is generally why most people stay in the center.

I know you can't be talking about the US Constitution because it says no such thing.

 

[Gutter Chris]

We as humans can't let symbols have that much power over us. Before it was Nazi, it was Commie. Before Commie, it was Jew. Before Jew, it was Satanist. Before Satanist, it was Witch. Before Witch, it was Pagan. Before Pagan, it was Christian.

Don't u see how goofy this all is? If it's OK to beat Nazi's then it's OK to beat the Commies that are at every leftist rally. Commies killed many, many times more than the Nazi's after all, but the Germans bore the full brunt of WWII if you wanna get technical. Any and all censorship is bad. And resorting to hysteria and violence is even worse.

I see the whole thing as political internet trolls larping and find the whole thing to be ridiculous but that isnt what im talking about right now

What i am saying is that its a safe bet that anyone flying a nazi flag or standing under one in a member of the team

Also what are you talking about symbols have always had power and meaning it is the whole reason people fly them

 

[Whippy McGee]

If by "they" you mean "regular people", absolutely NOTHING is stopping you from doing the same. Antifa, communists, and socialists have been around for decades, you know. Go ahead and out them!

The harsh, horrible truth you'll find is that BLM, Antifa and the rest simply aren't morally equivalent with white nationalists. Unfortunately for you, we're civilized enough to recognize that one group advocates for dominance and oppression, while the other fights against it.

So you guys' desperate attempts at equating the two will fall on deaf ears.

But go ahead and try it. Point out the sympathizers. Look, I found three right here!

The "I can't breathe" is a legit event. That one cop was way out of line. I don't know that Kobe supports BLM, as that saying was said by a whole lot more people than those assholes.

As far as BLM, they have called for the murder of police and are responsible for (2) officers in NY and (5) in Dallas. They are a horrible organization.

Communism is the biggest evil mankind has put on this planet in the last 200 years. It is responsible for more murders than anything else.

ANTIFA is straight up coward fascists.


Yeah. they should all be ashamed.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You said: You're not even American though, how can you say what is and isn't American? And I'm telling you I don't have to be American to understand it's principles.

And I'm saying you're misunderstanding American principles if you think using the marketplace instead of the government isn't American. Also you shouldn't conflate America with the West, there's a lot of difference between the sub cultures there. You Canadians aren't that

The point is to get them fired because Nazis are evil. At the very least doxxing serves to punish people, that much is obvious.

And what's unAmerican about that?

Not everyone who showed up to protest the removal of the statue is a white supremacist. I personally don't think shaming people for their beliefs in this particular way is helpful, especially since Nazi is thrown around so casually.

I've seen the images from the protest, its was ugly and you can't blame anyone for associating you with neo-nazis if you're attending an event with such a high concentration of them. Neo-nazis are not hard to avoid you know. And even if you aren't a neo-nazi you could always explain yourself to your employer, there's no law that you have to fire suspected neo-nazis or even actual neo-nazis.

 

[dontsnitch]

And I'm saying you're misunderstanding American principles if you think using the marketplace instead of the government isn't American. Also you shouldn't conflate America with the West, there's a lot of difference between the sub cultures there. You Canadians aren't that

And what's unAmerican about that?

I've seen the images from the protest, its was ugly and you can't blame anyone for associating you with neo-nazis if you're attending an event with such a high concentration of them. Neo-nazis are not hard to avoid you know. And even if you aren't a neo-nazi you could always explain yourself to your employer, there's no law that you have to fire suspected neo-nazis or even actual neo-nazis.

You're implying I don't get it because I'm Canadian. If I'm wrong, it has nothing to do with where I live. Anyway, I disagree. Trying to get people fired for being racist or for being a radical by posting their details (and that of their family may I add) is a new phenomenon, and one that I reject. All this does is make people and ideas go underground, and it's a double-edged sword.

This phenomenon isn't exclusive to the rally from a couple of days ago. The sad truth is that Nazi is thrown around far too loosely, even just meaning Trump supporter a lot of times. So no, I don't think we should "Punch Nazis" or "dox Nazis".

There's not much to argue about here, if you don't agree, you don't agree, it's a matter of opinion not fact. I think it's bad because it will be abused and causes ideas to manifest in different ways, not to make them go away.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You're implying I don't get it because I'm Canadian. If I'm wrong, it has nothing to do with where I live. Anyway, I disagree. Trying to get people fired for being racist or for being a radical by posting their details (and that of their family may I add) is a new phenomenon, and one that I reject. All this does is make people and ideas go underground, and it's a double-edged sword.

This phenomenon isn't exclusive to the rally from a couple of days ago. The sad truth is that Nazi is thrown around far too loosely, even just meaning Trump supporter a lot of times. So no, I don't think we should "Punch Nazis" or "dox Nazis".

There's not much to argue about here, if you don't agree, you don't agree, it's a matter of opinion not fact. I think it's bad because it will be abused and causes ideas to manifest in different ways, not to make them go away.

I think you're conflating different things here in a way that muddles the conversation but okay fine.

 

[dontsnitch]

I think you're conflating different things here in a way that muddles the conversation but okay fine.

That's possible, I'm trying to sum up my grievances in one post, but there is so much to consider.

 

[AviatorShades]

Overall I think the left's plan is to contain the resistance against demographic replacement is... Pretending it doesn't exist in legitimacy (portraying them all as National Socialists, KKK, etc.).

In isolation, its arguments are too strong, it's too easy to sympathize with. That injection of Nazism is critical for stunting its growth.

Excessive doxxing may backfire just as extreme censorship is starting to backfire (Jordan Peterson blacklisted by google/Youtube for his "hate-science").

We may see high-profile cases where likable decent people are harassed/fired for reasonable beliefs and this will make faux-Nazification more difficult. Everyone has fantasies about being an anonymous lone wolf political activist, but you aren't, you're easy to scrub that way. The safest place to be is highly visible thus capable of martyrdom.

 

[Deleted member 491001]

lol plenty of innocents have been doxxed by the Alt-right. PLENTY.

This all probably started with 4chan dorks doxxing each other to humiliate their internet opponents.

I'd be interested in seeing examples so we can all disavow the assholes who jumped the gun.

 

[Literally Bricked]

Do you have a reason to believe they're not?

Wasn't there a thread about an engineering professor being falsely accused just in the last week in relation to all of this?

 

[Strychnine]

This. I don't care which group it was. They were all White Supremacist and White Nationalist groups. If you're marching alongside them in advocacy of their beliefs, tiki torch in hand, then matters of membership become semantic...you're a white supremacist. For example, I would gladly protest the removal of that statue. I am livid by it. I do not support this Al-Qaedaish commitment to destroying material reminders of history, but not in a million fucking years would I go march with those assholes.

Besides, if they're not actually white supremacist/nationalist, then if they are wrongly doxxed, they won't hesitate to disavow and condemn those beliefs and the people who were marching in their service.

So, no, there will be no accidental victims, here.

This guy is on the run from the FBI now...

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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...sville-Found-On-Social-Media?detail=emaildkre

Bloody image above. The guy is recovering though.

 

[Codpiece]

Another coward internet Nazi spotted.

I don't think you're being rational at the moment. Although actually I don't mind your posts (good ones in the heavies) because they give an alternative viewpoint and provide some food for thought and ideas for discussion.


Not everyone who think doxxing the fools from the march is a bad idea is a Nazi. You said in an earlier post that you were OK with innocent people being caught in the crossfire if the white supremacists were eradicated. I disagree for a couple of reasons.

- innocent people don't deserve it. They can be friends or family with somebody that has a repugnant belief. In fact, being close to someone with such a belief may give the, the opportunity to challenge hateful beliefs.

- doxxing such people may pead to repercussions for them which make them feel like victims or persecuted. That has the potential to make the extremes even more extreme.


Prett sure it was my friend @Overpressure who said "use your words, people" while condemning the idiotic actions of the driver at the march. I think he has the right of it. Violence will only lead to more violence because neither the extreme left nor the extreme right will back down.

 

[BOWHUNTER]

I can confirm . . .

Spoiler

That I unfortunately don't have the answer to that question

Analysis?

 

[RockstarChris]

So it is fine to racially discriminate now? Great I will start tomorrow.