Are you sure they are teaching you jiu jitsu? you have no first hand experience with it....They are teaching you Jiujitsu, so yeah its worth it. I think the best part about starting with a GJJ school(I have no personal experience so this is heresay) is they are teaching basic fundamental jiujitsu.
So at open mats, people playing sport jiu jitsu with an unknown guy pulled guard? And you assume they don't know how to flow into those spots naturally? Purple belts should easily know how to get to that spot, maybe they are letting you the newb work as they figure out your skill level?At first glance that may not seem like much, but I do know from first hand experience that a lot of bjj schools don't do that with their new students anymore. I've been to open mats at a lot of different schools in my region and I have to say I am completely shocked at how many white, blue, and purple belts flop to their backs and try to force me into advanced guards and positions because they have no idea how to let the action flow into these positions/situations naturally.
So you guard flop first instead of letting them work and then talk smack when they want to sit to guard? Neat.I've rolled with blue and purple belts that I knew where going to try this kind of stuff, so I flop to my back before they get a chance, or I've even tried to grab their gi and force them into dominate positions like mount/sidemount, or turtle to let them take my back and they either refuse to engage, or engage and then attempt to pull some kind of guard the moment I posture to try to reverse/escape.
What exactly is advanced positions to you? What are the certain circumstances? Fundamentals never go out of style but what's fundamental to you? Punch block series? underhook from half guard?Advanced positions/techniques as a general rule only work in special situations or under certain circumstances. Fundamental jiujitsu works regardless.
GJJ at school 1 is not the same as school 2, 3, or 4. What I'm getting at is you are classifying that GJJ schools are one way, and "sport/new wave" bjj schools are another. I'm not a GJJ school and I teach basic fundamental BJJ. My guys are progressing at a quick pace (3 white belts training less than 4 months beat blue belts this weekend at a small tournament). So to classify any school based on just the name Gracie or gracie CTC vs. non Gracie is just...stupid. Every instructor/school is going to be different and broad generalizations don't really help in the OP's case.Everything I hear about Gjj tells me you are probably going to be drilling fundamental jiujitsu well into your purple/brown belt years in which case it will be well worth it and you'll be happy you have a solid understanding and working knowledge of Jiujitsu Overall.
This may or may not happen at a new wave sport bjj school.
Going to break this down into parts.
Are you sure they are teaching you jiu jitsu? you have no first hand experience with it....
So at open mats, people playing sport jiu jitsu with an unknown guy pulled guard? And you assume they don't know how to flow into those spots naturally? Purple belts should easily know how to get to that spot, maybe they are letting you the newb work as they figure out your skill level?
So you guard flop first instead of letting them work and then talk smack when they want to sit to guard? Neat.
What exactly is advanced positions to you? What are the certain circumstances? Fundamentals never go out of style but what's fundamental to you? Punch block series? underhook from half guard?
GJJ at school 1 is not the same as school 2, 3, or 4. What I'm getting at is you are classifying that GJJ schools are one way, and "sport/new wave" bjj schools are another. I'm not a GJJ school and I teach basic fundamental BJJ. My guys are progressing at a quick pace (3 white belts training less than 4 months beat blue belts this weekend at a small tournament). So to classify any school based on just the name Gracie or gracie CTC vs. non Gracie is just...stupid. Every instructor/school is going to be different and broad generalizations don't really help in the OP's case.
And you always need to drill fundamentals, but only drilling those until purple and brown before you start seeing some DLR/Inside DLR stuff is just flat out dumb as well.
Just to update anyone that cares haha. I'm still going every week to one class and one private with the purple belt instructor (he's only teaching me the combatives program before anyone starts going on about purples shouldn't be teaching.. and he got his belt from the official Gracie academy).
Learning a lot and really enjoying it. I'm starting at an official Gracie School at the end of next month and hope to keep going with it. I've done a day recently at a local MMA/BJJ place and really didn't like it, I rolled with a blue belt who just tried submitting me constantly.. I understand that's the game but at my place I get constructive feedback when I get myself into a position and the instructor positions himself in ways that I can practice what techniques I know already in a reflex type situation.
I also like the regimented drills of the Gracie combative technique. I've rolled from day one.
Just to update anyone that cares haha. I'm still going every week to one class and one private with the purple belt instructor (he's only teaching me the combatives program before anyone starts going on about purples shouldn't be teaching.. and he got his belt from the official Gracie academy).
Learning a lot and really enjoying it. I'm starting at an official Gracie School at the end of next month and hope to keep going with it. I've done a day recently at a local MMA/BJJ place and really didn't like it, I rolled with a blue belt who just tried submitting me constantly.. I understand that's the game but at my place I get constructive feedback when I get myself into a position and the instructor positions himself in ways that I can practice what techniques I know already in a reflex type situation.
I also like the regimented drills of the Gracie combative technique. I've rolled from day one.
Yes you do have to roll before you get your blue, but you still have to complete the combatives courses before you start to "Roll", I've seen some schools break this model and made sparring an after class thing, but most schools don't include it in class. I do believe its a money thing. They keep you on the hook for 96 classes and you aren't rolling, but have a feeling your learning something keeps you coming back. With that said I've seen very few people finish combatives and quit right away after they start rolling, they feel they have invested too much time to run. I see both sides of the coin.
I will say that I have never been to a Gracie Ju Jitsu gym and i don't want to pass judgement. One thing that I think its a good thing to have some elements of combative/ self defense built into the program because I think in some degree everyone wants to learn some tenants of self defense from doing BJJ and not just the sport aspect. With that being said I think the fact that some of these schools don't roll for the first few months/ first year is a way of keeping people on the hook who may not be built for Bjj. You get your first real gut check after a rolling session where you get crushed and used as a dishrag to wash the Dojo floor by a 220lb blue belt. Many people would instantly quit or become discouraged and shy away from attending classes. I have seen it happen several times in the school i attend. I think its a way to keep certain individuals on the hook and get their money a little longer until they realize maybe BJJ isn't there thing.
Did you start your class?So is the purple belt instructor an actual gjj instructor?
Did you start your class?
How is it going. Initial observations?Sure did.
Schools should be judged on a case to case basis. Here are some red flags for me:
- Gym has no sparring.
- Gym makes you buy their gi and wear their patches.
- You aren't allowed to train at other gyms.
- Coach or certain students will roll very hard with someone due to a perceived slight.
- Coach shows no interest in the progress of certain students in the class.
- They never practice without the gi.
- Students frequently injured because of negligence.
How is it going. Initial observations?
Awesome. EnjoyTo be honest I think it's good. The class is structured, the way the techniques are taught are very good.
The techniques themselves are the same as in any other bjj school but just because the moves you learn in combatives re self defence doesn't mean that they're any less legit.
We've even did some technical sparring.
I admittedly had serious doubts but I've got to say that I'm enjoying it so far.
Awesome. Enjoy