International Iran begins attack on Israel, launching dozens of drones that’ll take hours to arrive

Yeah, Israel is so far out there in suggesting that Iran can't be trusted knowing what we know now. lmao
"Iran can't be trusted"

It wasn't Iran who pulled out of the deal after shipping abroad all its enriched Uranium and shut down its centrifuges after years of negotiation between the collective West and Iran.

Not to mention reformists and moderates got utterly destroyed and shamed in Iranian government, making the IRGC right in their assessment that the US would not ever consider thawing relations as long as Israel State exists.

I think you're over estimating the foreign influence Israel exerts, by a lot. The reality is since 2015 with the deal in place, Iran has proven to have funded almost nearly every Shia and even Sunni extremist militias from Tehran to Lebanon.
Back in 2015 Iran was balls deep on its fight against ISIS.

Israel hates Iran because ever since Sunni extremists stopped funding everyone working toward their demise, Iran has picked up the slack. It's not some irrational hatred. It's been earned.
Nobody says Israel and Iran need to hold hands and love each other, just to understand that neither country is going away thus reach a form of détente until one collapses.

Also, comparing a single formal public visit to widespread coordinated electronic election interference sponsored by a foreign government is obviously stupid as hell and you know it. Just grasping for more cunt hairs.
If Republicans invited Putin to speak in Congress against Joe Biden, only a fucking idiot would think it doesn't counts as interference, if Russia does the shit Israel does openly its because they can't.


I don't think it's inappropriate at all for foreign leaders to publicly visit other countries to lobby for their interests. It's called politics.
Then you are a moron, one thing is to lobby another entirely to sabotage your allies attempts at fixing shit up.

Israel went full Orban.
 

Israel’s military chief says that Israel will respond to Iran’s weekend missile attack​


BY JOSEF FEDERMAN
Updated 8:08 PM BRT, April 15, 2024

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel’s military chief said Monday that his country will respond to Iran’s weekend attack, but he did not elaborate on when and how as world leaders urged against retaliation, trying to avoid a spiral of violence in the Middle East.

The Iranian attack on Saturday came in response to a suspected Israeli strike two weeks earlier on an Iranian consular building in the Syrian capital of Damascus that killed two Iranian generals. It marked the first time Iran has launched a direct military assault on Israel despite decades of enmity dating back to the country’s 1979 Islamic Revolution.

Iran launched hundreds of drones, ballistic missiles and cruise missiles at Israel in the attack. The Israeli military said that 99% of the drones and missiles were intercepted, by Israel’s own air defenses and warplanes and in coordination with a U.S.-led coalition of partners.

Israeli military chief Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi said Monday that Israel is considering its next steps but that the Iranian strike “will be met with a response.”

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Halevi gave no details. The army’s spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, said Israel will respond “at the time that we choose.”

Both men spoke at the Nevatim air base in southern Israel, which Hagari said suffered only light damage in the Iranian attack.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been huddling with top officials to discuss a possible response. For a second straight day, the government made no announcements on any decisions.

In a conversation with U.S. House Majority Leader Steve Scalise, Netanyahu said that “Israel will do whatever is required to defend itself,” the prime minister’s office announced.

While Israeli leaders have hinted at retaliation, the government is under heavy international pressure not to further escalate the conflict — especially after the Iranian strike caused such little damage.

The U.S. has urged Israel to show restraint as it seeks to build a broad diplomatic response.

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While Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder, Pentagon press secretary, said any response is up to Israel to decide, he added: “We don’t want to see escalation, but we obviously will take necessary measures to protect our forces in the region.”

Pressed at a briefing about whether such a response would jeopardize stability in the region, Ryder said the U.S. will “stay in close consultation with our Israeli partners, as we have done throughout the weekend. Again, we don’t seek wider regional conflict.”

The U.S. also has been working in recent years to strengthen ties between Israel and moderate Arab states in an alliance to counter Iran.

Much of that cooperation has been under the umbrella of the U.S. Central Command, which oversees U.S. military operations in the Middle East. Centcom works closely with militaries across the region, including Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries.

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The U.S., Britain and Jordan — a key American ally in the region — have all said their air forces helped intercept the Iranian missiles and drones. Halevi said France and “other partners” were involved, and he noted that “Iran’s attack has created new opportunities for cooperation in the Middle East.”

The Iranian weapons also flew through Saudi skies, according to a map released by the Israeli military. Israel says most of the interceptions took place outside of Israeli airspace, indicating at least tacit cooperation with the Saudis.

A unilateral Israeli strike could strain these behind-the-scenes contacts, particularly with countries like Saudi Arabia that do not have official diplomatic relations with Israel. It also could risk opening a new front with Iran at a time when Israel is bogged down in a six-month war inside Gaza against Hamas militants.
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Israel and Iran have been on a collision course throughout the Gaza war. The war erupted after Hamas and Islamic Jihad, two militant groups backed by Iran, carried out a devastating cross-border attack on Oct. 7 that killed 1,200 people in Israel and kidnapped 250 others.

Israel’s offensive in Gaza has killed over 33,700 Palestinians, according to local health officials, and caused widespread devastation.
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Throughout the war, Israel has traded fire across its northern border with Lebanon’s Iranian-backed Hezbollah militant group, while Iranian-backed militias in Iraq and Yemen have also attacked Israel. The friction has kept up fears of a potentially destructive all-out war between Israel and Hezbollah, or a broader direct confrontation between Israel and Iran.

World leaders pressed Israel not to strike Iran.

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said “all sides must show restraint” to avoid a rising spiral of violence in the Middle East. French President Emmanuel Macron said Paris will try to “convince Israel that we must not respond by escalating.”

In Washington, U.S. National Security Council spokesman John Kirby declined to say Monday whether the U.S. had been or expects to be briefed on any Israeli response plans. “We will let the Israelis speak to that,” he said.

“We are not involved in their decision-making process about a potential response,” Kirby said.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the U.S. doesn’t seek escalation but said it would continue to support Israel’s security. He pledged to step up the diplomatic efforts against Iran.

“Strength and wisdom need to be different sides of the same coin,” he said.

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"Iran can't be trusted"

It wasn't Iran who pulled out of the deal after shipping abroad all its enriched Uranium and shut down its centrifuges after years of negotiation between the collective West and Iran.

Not to mention reformists and moderates got utterly destroyed and shamed in Iranian government, making the IRGC right in their assessment that the US would not ever consider thawing relations as long as Israel State exists.


Back in 2015 Iran was balls deep on its fight against ISIS.


Nobody says Israel and Iran need to hold hands and love each other, just to understand that neither country is going away thus reach a form of détente until one collapses.


If Republicans invited Putin to speak in Congress against Joe Biden, only a fucking idiot would think it doesn't counts as interference, if Russia does the shit Israel does openly its because they can't.



Then you are a moron, one thing is to lobby another entirely to sabotage your allies attempts at fixing shit up.

Israel went full Orban.

Lmao so we better destroy Israel so Iran stops trying to destroy Israel then there will be peace.

I said "since" not exactly in 2015. Try to follow if you're going to call me a moron.

Again with more wild and grasping analogies. Republicans didn't invite a foreign adversary to the US, they invited a foreign leader of an allied country and it almost certainly was not as impactful on US policy as like, Iran and Russia's entire existence.
 
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He's really reaching with the antisemitism accusations, embarrassing stuff. This topic really shorts some people's fuses.

The entire premise that American decision makers are paralyzed by Israeli influence and unable to resist doing their bidding, is literally just that.

The idea that Bibi being invited to speak at congress one time was more impactful on policy makers than the US intelligence and surveillance service is bordering on childish and quite literally in the realm of anti-Semitism.

Where is this same concern when Zelensky did it? Or Macron? Or Modi?

The Prime Minister of Japan literally just addressed a joint session of Congress. I'm sure you guys are just all lined up to express your very real contention with foreign leaders interfering with American domestic politics and typing up your thread in protest to Kishida's congressional address last week. It has totally nothing to do with an anti-Israeli bias.
 
Lmao so we better destroy Israel so Iran stops trying to destroy Israel then there will be peace.
Do you even know what Détente is? no need to turn a cold war hot, neither nation can really hurt each other.

I said "since" not exactly in 2015. Try to follow if you're going to call me a moron.
And by "since" you mean after the US outright broke the deal unilaterally and Rouhani got sacked?

Yeah who would had thought that humiliating Iranian reformists would lead to reformists getting sacked?


Again with more wild and grasping analogies. Republicans didn't invite a foreign adversary to the US, they invited a foreign leader of an allied country and it almost certainly was not as impactful on US policy as like, Iran and Russia's entire existence.
Israel is an "ally" in the same way Orban and Erdorgarn are "allies".

Allies don't actively work against the collective efforts of its allies, unlike Israel.
 
The Prime Minister of Japan literally just addressed a joint session of Congress. I'm sure you guys are just all lined up to express your very real contention with foreign leaders interfering with American domestic politics and typing up your thread in protest to Kishida's congressional address last week. It has totally nothing to do with an anti-Israeli bia

Neither came to actively campaign against the sitting president moron, its foreign policy efforts and the collective efforts of the West to deal with a rogue nation.
 
Neither came to actively campaign against the sitting president moron, its foreign policy efforts and the collective efforts of the West to deal with a rogue nation.

Oh, so you can invite foreign leaders to speak to congress during an election year only if they're working with the current President?
 
Oh, so you can invite foreign leaders to speak to congress during an election year only if they're working with the current President?

???

The fuck are you talking about? we are talking about Bibi openly opposing a sitting president, the collective West and actively interfering in domestic affairs, your argument was that others do it too.

This is definitively not true.
 
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The fuck are you talking about? we are talking about Bibi openly opposing a sitting president, the collective West and actively interfering in domestic affairs, your argument was that others do it too.

This is definitively not true.

I'm talking about ordinary international politics and you're trying to make it sound a lot more sinister than it was or is because you're talking about the PM of Israel that you're biased against.

Is it more or less of an interference when a foreign leader addresses congress and supports the President and their agenda?
 
I'm talking about ordinary international politics and you're trying to make it sound a lot more sinister than it was or is because you're talking about the PM of Israel that you're biased against.
Its not ordinary international politics.

Is it more or less of an interference when a foreign leader addresses congress and supports the President and their agenda?
Most leaders understand that they are diplomats and prepare a very rosy speech, they don't actively shit on leadership, its goals and its plans or its domestic policy.

Not to mention Orbanyahu outright lied in 2015 when he campaigned against the JCPOA he outright went full Trump and lied promising there would be a better deal if the current one was scrapped. I guess the better deal is to goad the US into a war with Iran.

Take for example Zelensky, even though his country is being bombed to nothing by Russia and Republicomrades outright support Putin, he has never openly opposed any party, he keeps inviting Trump to visit Ukraine and see with his eyes.

This would be the equivalent of Iran actively invading Israel with support from Democrats and Bibi still said he wants to work with Democrats.
 
Its not ordinary international politics.


Most leaders understand that they are diplomats and prepare a very rosy speech, they don't actively shit on leadership, its goals and its plans.

Not to mention Orbanyahu outright lied in 2015 when he campaigned against the JCPOA he outright went full Trump and lied promising there would be a better deal if the current one was scrapped.

I guess the better deal is to goad the US into a war with Iran.

Okay, these are both your opinions though.

Do you think it's better for foreign leaders to come to America with a very rosy speech and support the American position on whatever?

If the US wants war with Iran, they won't be goaded into it, least of all by Israel and certainly not by Netanyahu.
 
Okay, these are both your opinions though.
They are literally enshrined in the UN principle of non-intervention.

Do you think it's better for foreign leaders to come to America with a very rosy speech and support the American position on whatever?
Its better for foreign leaders who disagree with their allies to shut the fuck up and do all things in the back-channel.

Also you don't intervene in the democratic process of allies.

If the US wants war with Iran, they won't be goaded into it, least of all by Israel and certainly not by Netanyahu.
If Israel triggers a war with Iran, the US will intervene to protect Israel no matter what, if Israel decides to level Lebanon to the ground the US and Europe will pay the price, not Israel.
 
They are literally enshrined in the UN principle of non-intervention.


Its better for foreign leaders who disagree with their allies to shut the fuck up and do all things in the back-channel.

Also you don't intervene in the democratic process of allies.


If Israel triggers a war with Iran, the US will intervene to protect Israel no matter what, if Israel decides to level Lebanon to the ground the US and Europe will pay the price, not Israel.

Lmao, I'm sure it says that leaders can't be invited to speak in front of each other's congresses. Surely enshrined in the hallowed halls of the UN right next to the tiktok video you learned the word détente from.

I don't think the public or private lobbying of foreign interests moves the needle much for the United States unless its also in the US's interest.
 
Irans funding and helping how many proxy terrorist groups for how long now? Convenient timing with Oct attacks as SA and Israel were close to a deal.
 
The deal would had prevented Iran from getting close to a bomb for a period of 15 years after which the deal could be renegotiated or simply scrapped with sanctions applied back on. What was Bibi's plan for détente with Iran BTW? none because Bibi's goal has always been regime change for Iran.
You completely moved the goalposts here.

“The Iran deal would have resulted in total denuclearization of Iran.”

No, it wouldn’t have.

Thanks
 
A deal to alleviate sanction in exchange for denuclearization is the definition of détente.

But then again you seem to be on the position that Israel should get its maximalist goals no matter what and no cost is too high.
Detente is just buying time. It’s a temporary relaxation of tensions. It isn’t solving anything medium or long term, it’s a short term fix.
 
You completely moved the goalposts here.

“The Iran deal would have resulted in total denuclearization of Iran.”

No, it wouldn’t have.

Thanks

The original goalpost was that Israel never had an intention for a diplomatic solution.

You said Israel is looking to exhaust diplomatic solution but you failed to produce a single instance of Israel actually looking for it

Bibi's plan has always been to push America to war.
 
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Lmao, I'm sure it says that leaders can't be invited to speak in front of each other's congresses. Surely enshrined in the hallowed halls of the UN right next to the tiktok video you learned the word détente from.

I don't think the public or private lobbying of foreign interests moves the needle much for the United States unless its also in the US's interest.

Detente is actually a spanish word.

Nonetheless its funny how you went from Bibi didnt wanted Trump to Israel has a right to influence US elections.

Again Zelensky despite living a nightmare scenario that Israel has never experienced still does not openly admits he wants Democrats to win.

But Israel can get away with it because its a nation used to never facing consequences.
 
The original goalpost was that Israel never had an intention for a diplomatic solution.

You said Israel is looking to exhaust diplomatic solution but you failed to produce a single instance of Israel actually looking for it

Bibi's plan has always been to push America to war.

Huh, you just ignored the entire premise of the current argument in order to score points.

You: “Israel sabotaged the only diplomatic deal with Iran which was guaranteed denuclearization!”

Me: “There was no denuclearization as a part of that deal.”

And then you doubled down and now are moving goal posts.

Weak. I expected better from you.
 
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