If you can stop your negative emotions by not trying to stop your negative emotions.............

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.........but you intended to stop them, by not trying to stop them.

Did you try to stop them or not try to stop them?

Im referring to mindfulness, as in meditation and Buddhism
 
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Ill give it a shot.

(so basically negative emotions tend to get worse when you try to stop them, (that which you resist persists) which is also the natural thing we are inclined to do (try to stop them), so one teaching in Buddhism/mindfulness is to not try to stop them, which ironically stops them)

Thing is you DO have the intention to stop them even if you are not trying to.

So I say yes you do try to stop them you are just using counter intuitive odd methods to do so, the INTENTION and DECISION was the first thing, and that was an intention/decision to stop them via abstract technique.

So the answer according to me is yes
 
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I think its partly that the English language is incapable of describing whats going on, its like a glitch in language you cant communicate it language is inadequate when it comes to describing whats going on in this particular technique and in that way
 
Ok Ill try to explain more clearly

You first decide to stop the negative emotion

To stop it you dont try to stop it

Therefore you are trying to stop it because the decision was 1st and the outcome you wanted you got.

However between the time of making the decision and getting the outcome you want you are not trying.

So the answer is TIME FRAME

You are are trying to stop it 1st (intention, decision, remembering what the technique was)

Then you are not trying to stop it 2nd
 
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it isn't about trying to stop them or not stop them.

it is about being able to look at the issues that cause your negative emotions through a nuetral, logical lense rather than an emotional, ego driven lense. does that make sense?

if you try to "block out" negative emotions/thoughts you will just bury them and they will grow even worse because you havent dealt with them. If you let yourself purposefully feel the negative emotions hoping that you will get it out of your system and get over it, that wont work either.

the point is to aware of these negative emotions and hopefully using mindfulness you can look at the issues from a place outside of emotions and hopefully find the root of this negativity and find the best way to try and get rid of it
 
revoltub said:
it isn't about trying to stop them or not stop them.

it is about being able to look at the issues that cause your negative emotions through a nuetral, logical lense rather than an emotional, ego driven lense. does that make sense?

if you try to "block out" negative emotions/thoughts you will just bury them and they will grow even worse because you havent dealt with them. If you let yourself purposefully feel the negative emotions hoping that you will get it out of your system and get over it, that wont work either.

the point is to aware of these negative emotions and hopefully using mindfulness you can look at the issues from a place outside of emotions and hopefully find the root of this negativity and find the best way to try and get rid of it
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This is not advise on how to deal with negative emotions properly and thats good advice, this is just a brain twister on a specific technique

Also with regards to your advise sometimes we suffer over things we cannot control e.g. even though we accept a girlfriend dumped us we still feel emotional pain even though there's nothing we can do about it or we are working on fixing flaws that caused the relationship to breakdown, and moving on to other women, but even though we are handling it logically and in the real world, we mostly still suffer so then mindfulness gets rid of that negative emotion.

I agree with what you are saying though mindfulness used unwisely is like putting your head in the sand or taking drugs, you dont feel any negative emotion but the real world problems are still happening. So do both what you can control in the real world ie not that much, and what you control inside which can be almost 100%
 
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The issue is that words are approximations of the idea's they represent. By being sloppy with words, you get a jumbled mess like this. When you're precise you realize the futility of the words in accurately representing the idea, and start playing with the idea conceptually, and beyond the words that communicated them. That's why eastern mysticism often has passages about not speaking, or paradoxical passages meant to highlight this conundrum.

As for your question: You did not try.
 
pookiyama said:
The issue is that words are approximations of the idea's they represent. By being sloppy with words, you get a jumbled mess like this. When you're precise you realize the futility of the words in accurately representing the idea, and start playing with the idea conceptually, and beyond the words that communicated them. That's why eastern mysticism often has passages about not speaking, or paradoxical passages meant to highlight this conundrum.

As for your question: You did not try.
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Incorrect for the 2nd part you both tried and did not try one after the other
 
BringBackTRTforFairness said:
Incorrect for the 2nd part you both tried and did not try one after the other
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I think you're being loose with the word try. You didn't try to stop them, you did something and they stopped. Intention does not reflect effort & trying is a conscious act towards a goal.

There was no effort directed towards an action that would accomplish the goal, therefore you did not try to stop them, and you did not try to not stop them. You didn't try one way or the other. You simply let the wave ride through your waters, and it washed through.

This distinction is at the heart of mindfulness. If its not clear, you're muddying your own waters.
 
pookiyama said:
I think you're being loose with the word try. You didn't try to stop them, you did something and they stopped. Intention does not reflect effort & trying is a conscious act towards a goal.

There was no effort directed towards an action that would accomplish the goal, therefore you did not try to stop them, and you did not try to not stop them. You didn't try one way or the other. You simply let the wave ride through your waters, and it washed through.

This distinction is at the heart of mindfulness. If its not clear, you're muddying your own waters.
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Try = "make an attempt or effort to do something" so try can just be an attempt at something so it wasn't used loosely, over with replying to you now
 
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