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Funny thing is, I’m real time 99% of folks considered that HW tourney a colossal failure.
That tournament was fantastic on paper, but my memory is it really didn't work out lol
Funny thing is, I’m real time 99% of folks considered that HW tourney a colossal failure.
Not exactly what happened. Strikeforce was losing money. Coker pushed for a massive expansion, but they weren't able to secure the sales or advertising revenue to accomplish the leap, long term. It was a bold endeavor, though.
The sport still isn't big enough for a second, financially viable and competitive promotion.
I think it will be one day, but that time is not now.
MMA might not be in its infancy anymore, but it's still a little kid sport trying to make noise and get attention.
if an athlete from Strikeforce comes over and wins the title, as some did, that would mean they are of a higher caliber than the UFC fighters that are in that current division.Strikeforce was a B League. Literally all of their top guys came over and lost in their UFC debuts or quickly on in their new UFC stints.
You don't get to pretend Strikeforce's MW Champion Luke Rockhold, coming into the UFC off Strikeforce title 2 defences, isn't a Strikeforce fighter when he's getting his head kicked into the stands in 2 minutes by Vitor in his UFC debut but suddenly is a Strikeforce fighter again when he wins the title 6 fights later. That's a UFC fighter by that point.
Strikeforce was a B League. That's why they had talent that with FURTHER time could be at the level of their UFC counterparts.
I'm not disagreeing. That said, Financials and marketing aren't my business (well, in a sense, they're everyone's business, but without getting into that..), but I will observe that the UFC is reportedly about on par with yearly profits for a single NFL franchise or mid-level NBA team, and given how many successful sports franchises exist, one could argue that there is a huge opportunity yet untapped.
At the same time, I dont really care. I just enjoy watching the competition.
That’s just silly. DC didn’t lose his debut, Ronda didn’t lose hers, Overeem didn’t, Woodley didn’t, Saffeidine didn’t, Shields didn’t, Jacare didn’t, Mousasi didn’t… I could keep going.
Rockhold has nothing to be ashamed of losing to roided out Vitor. He went on a 6 fight win streak right after that—at what point did he magically become a “UFC fighter”?
Literally all of their top guys came over and lost in their UFC debuts or quickly on in their new UFC stints
if an athlete from Strikeforce comes over and wins the title, as some did, that would mean they are of a higher caliber than the UFC fighters that are in that current division.
calling them B league is simply false. you may not like Strikeforce, but facts are facts.
I miss @AckmedI miss being not so fat
iirc Hendo faceplanted him early and then somehow Shields recovered and blanketed him the rest of the fight. Never understood how Hendo seemed so passive and unable to do anything, especially considering Shields was a smaller dude with basically just some really good BJJ as his only skill.I guess the day had been a long one, because I fell asleep after or during the first round of that fight. I remember waking up with the memory of Hendo landing a few big shots and then reading that he'd somehow lost the remainder of the fight. What a horrific experience.
DC to Jon (after he himself admitted he wouldn't beat Cain either)
Overeem to Bigfoot, Browne, and Rothwell in a row
Woodley to Shields
Tarec to Rory
Shields to GSP (and most thought he lost his debut to Kampmann)
Gilbert to Benson (and then went 1-5 his whole UFC career)
Mousasi to Machida
It's pure revisionist history to pretend like Strikeforce guys didn't come to the UFC and lose. There is no Strikeforce fighter who came over and just won the title.
Strikeforce was a B League with good prospects. Again, that's why LATER ON IN SOME OF THESE GUYS CAREERS they could win the UFC title with more experience and skill under their belt. That is wildly different than pretending they could do this in 2011-2013 when the merge actually happened.
One of the greatest of all time, only lost to two fighters ever. Won his first 4 UFC fights.
He debuted by beating Brock who was the second best guy in the UFC.
So Woodley lost to another Strikeforce fighter and then became a 4 time defending champ? Great argument.
I guess kudos for finding the one guy who didn't pan out in the UFC. He did win his debut UFC fight though, which you were just arguing was the determining factor.
Damn, losing to the literal GOAT like every other welterweight did, what a B league fighter. Not.
He took the best fighter in the world to split decision. Most fans had him winning.
Mousasi debuted with a win and went 9-3 in his UFC career.
You can't argue Strikeforce was a B league based on listing fighters who immediately went into the top 10, had success and won titles. It's nonsensical. Weidman lost to like 4 Strikeforce fighters in a row and he was the best guy in the UFC at the time.
Strikeforce was a B League. Literally all of their top guys came over and lost in their UFC debuts or quickly on in their new UFC stints.
It was my favorite, but they were all so good back then.I miss WEC. It happens.
Funny thing is, I’m real time 99% of folks considered that HW tourney a colossal failure.
WerdumBy all means Mr Facts, please tell me which fighter came over from Strikeforce's division and won the title against their UFC divisional counterpart?
I'll gladly wait.
youve moved the goalposts. first you said its a B league because fighters from Strikeforce came over and lost their debuts. this was proven wrong by 2 other posters. then you edited that post to say "within their early stints" because that supports your argument. dont deny that. i saw the post before you edited it.By all means Mr Facts, please tell me which fighter came over from Strikeforce's division and won the title against their UFC divisional counterpart?
I'll gladly wait.
What happened to him? Did he implode due to the successes of Islam and Khamzat?I miss @Ackmed
Werdum
youve moved the goalposts. first you said its a B league because fighters from Strikeforce came over and lost their debuts. this was proven wrong by 2 other posters. then you edited that post to say "within their early stints" because that supports your argument. dont deny that. i saw the post before you edited it.
Werdum beat Cain for the UFC HW championship. won the Interim right before that too. boom, countered. are you some sort of UFC stan? whenever any other organization gets brought up youre immediately shitting on it, regardless of any relevant praise or good qualities about it.
Best regards,
Mr Facts