Here Are The Facts To Educate The Jon Jone's Haters.

Why don't you spend your time studying something that will actually get you somewhere, instead of attempting to defend a sociopathic cheater?
 
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King Cobra said:
Jones got suspended for having TRACES of Clomid and Letro, which was CONFIRMED by USADA to have been found in the generic Cialis (Tadalafil) that Jones was taking.

This was confirmed in the USADA report posted on the bottom, after that very same generic Cialis was tested in their very own laboratory.

The generic Cialis was given to Jones from a friend who had purchased it from an online company. It was done legally being that the online company applies a loophole which allows them to sell such substances as long as they state on the label of each substance that "This product is for chemical use only. Not intended for human consumption". The oinline websites selling these substances are allowed to do so without requiring any prescription from a the customers as long as they state that they are a "laboratory research company" and they state the warning on each substance sold.

This company where the generic Cialis was purchased from also made Clomid and Letro. But after the fiasco with Jones went down, they stop selling the Letro and Colid probably due to legal advice.

The online company is called All American Peptide. The site link is listed one the bottom.

Here are the facts:

The arbitrators from USADA officially ruled that Jones "didn't intend to cheat but was instead reckless".

Here is the source of them making this statement:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pended-1-year-by-usada-for-positive-drug-test

Furthermore, the USADA arbitrators also stated this about Jones :

"On the evidence before the Panel, the Applicant is not a drug cheat. He did not know that the tablet he took contained prohibited substances or that those substances had the capacity to enhance sporting performance. However by his imprudent use of what he pungently referred to as a "dick pill" he has not only lost a year of his career but an estimated nine million dollars. This outcome which he admits to be a wake-up call for him should serve as a warning to all others who participate in the same sport."

This is found on the USADA report posted on the bottom.

This is why they cut his suspension by half when he would had originally received two years.

Clomid and Letro are not PEDs. They are banned substances but not performance enhancers. They are taken to counteract the effects of estrogen with Letro being taken during and Clomid being taken after one takes testosterone injections as a base for taking other steroids.

The thing is that with USADA's ultra strict and more invasive testing, they would had caught Jones taking roids before hand. They themselves agree that Jones did not cheated purposely. That he indeed had traces of Clomid and Letro in his system because of the generic Cialis. But that he should reported to them when he was going to take the Cialis. They would had educated him on not taking a substance from an underground company which would be contaminated with traces of other substances since these laboratories are usually underground.

This would had never been an issue before USADA took over in testing UFC fighters when they were tested by the athletic state commission with just urine samples being taken.

This is bigger than Jones. This is about how USADA has taken testing these fighters to a whole other level where it has become much more invasive, even to the point that they can come during a fighters birthday party for their child and they have to take a blood test.

Jone's haters can speculate that he took steroids just because he got bigger while doing strength training. These are the same type of people who are ignorant to how strength conditioning works. Evander Holyfield was one of the first boxers to get into strength and conditioning which allowed him to get more muscular and go up to fighting heavyweight from cruiserweight.

A great gifted athletes like Jones with money to spend on a solid nutrition program under the guidance of a nutritionist as well as train with experts in strength and conditioning would not have any problem gaining muscle mass much quicker than the average Joe who dwells in his basement or behind a office desk all day.

To make such speculations would be no different than speculating that Fedor took EPO to enhance his endurance levels while fighting for an organization in a country that did not test their fighters for any PED. Or speculating that GSP was as great an athletic in fighting as he was while quickly learning wrestling because he took Human Growth Hormones (which was not tested by the Nevada Athletic State Commission) but then decided to retire after USADA took over.

All speculations right? But yet Jones does not receive the same benefit of the doubt?



http://ufc.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/Award-6-November-2016.pdf


http://www.allamericanpeptide.com/research-chemicals/
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Where there is smoke there is a fire.
War USADA.
 
Reaperman said:
Why don't you spend your time studying something that will actually get you somewhere, instead of attempting to defend a sociopathic cheater.?
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Why don't you spend your time trying to figure out how to have a social life outside of the basement instead of being mad at Jones for fucking your mom?
 
Oh look, another solid moronic thread by one of the dumbest fucks on Sherdog.

Keep it up KC! Maybe you'll get a special avatar from the admins for being a Top 3 Shittiest Poster.
 
LikeItIs said:
Oh look, another solid moronic thread by one of the dumbest fucks on Sherdog.

Keep it up KC! Maybe you'll get a special avatar from the admins for being a Top 3 Shittiest Poster.
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Another basement dweller who is mad that Jones also fucked his mom.
 
Shuque said:
King Cobra has been owned.
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If you are going to say that I've been owned than at least make sure to take your head out of your ass and actually see if that person actually did owned me.

I posted sources and facts that resulted in me owning that dude.

You just won't see it that way because Jones fucked your mom and therefore you are mad.

Everything I said was proven to be true so why are you inbred basement dwellers still trying to debate me?
 
King Cobra said:
If you are going to say that I've been owned than at least make sure to take your head out of your ass and actually see if that person actually did owned me.

I posted sources and facts that resulted in me owning that dude.

You just won't see it that way because Jones fucked your mom and therefore you are mad.

Everything I said was proven to be true so why are you inbred basement dwellers still trying to debate me?
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Is the "basement dwelling", "jones fucked your mom" argument all you can come up with? You're like a broken record, but a really fucking dumb broken record.

Do you actually read your own posts? Honestly, read your original post. You call that shit facts? That's not facts, that's you making up your own version of stories in order to coddle your inability to deal with the fact that Jones is a fuck up.

And then you go on to blame USADA for ... doing their jobs?

...

Get your head out of your ass you ignorant fuck.
 
King Cobra said:
Why don't you spend your time trying to figure out how to have a social life outside of the basement instead of being mad at Jones for fucking your mom?
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Interesting retort. I suppose that's kinda what happens when an entire thread starts calling you out for your stupidity. The only option you have is to write outlandish, ignorant attacks not grounded in reality.
 
LikeItIs said:
Is the "basement dwelling", "jones fucked your mom" argument all you can come up with? You're like a broken record, but a really fucking dumb broken record.

Do you actually read your own posts? Honestly, read your original post. You call that shit facts? That's not facts, that's you making up your own version of stories in order to coddle your inability to deal with the fact that Jones is a fuck up.

And then you go on to blame USADA for ... doing their jobs?

...

Get your head out of your ass you ignorant fuck.
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No I blame USADA for ruined MMA.

I am an old school fan who watched UFC since 93 and than Pride. Had USASA been around during the Pride days than there would not had been a Pride.

Fact is it is too much and too invasive for these fighters. And yet you go on to agree with that idiot all because you hate Jones. When in fact I posted nothing but facts.

Fact 1) The arbitration panel agreed with Jon Jones that the generic Cialis (Tadalafil) he took was tainted and therefore did not ruled him to be a cheater. Why is this even still up for discussion? I do not know.

Fact 2) You can purchase generic Cialis (Tadalafil) in any website that deems themselves as being a peptide website which sells products for the sole purpose of it being "FOR RESEARCH ONLY".

Fact 3) These websites buys the powders from China and make them in their houses or someone's kitchen and that is where contamination occurs, just as it happened with Jone's Tadalafil.

Here are examples of what I am talking about:

http://madisonjamesresearchchems.com/tadalafil-capsules

http://www.sarms1.com/liquicia
 
King Cobra said:
Why don't you spend your time trying to figure out how to have a social life outside of the basement instead of being mad at Jones for fucking your mom?
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This doesn't make any sense
 
Reaperman said:
Interesting retort. I suppose that's kinda what happens when an entire thread starts calling you out for your stupidity. The only option you have is to write outlandish, ignorant attacks not grounded in reality.
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The problem with you is that you are too stupid to not see reality for what it is so therefore you see it with a warped perception.

Do you feel better lying to yourself?

You really think the thread called me out on something that is factual?

You have serious issues.
 
King Cobra said:
No I blame USADA for ruined MMA.

I am an old school fan who watched UFC since 93 and than Pride. Had USASA been around during the Pride days than there would not had been a Pride.

Fact is it is too much and too invasive for these fighters. And yet you go on to agree with that idiot all because you hate Jones. When in fact I posted nothing but facts.

Fact 1) The arbitration panel agreed with Jon Jones about the generic Cialis he took of being tainted and therefore did not ruled him ti be a cheater. Why is this even still up for discussion? I do not know.

Fact 2) You can purchase generic Cialis (Tadalafil) in any website that deems themselves as being a peptide website which sells products for the sole purpose of it being "FOR RESEARCH ONLY".

Fact 3) These websites buys the powders from China and make them in their houses or someone's kitchen and that is where contamination occurs, just as it happened with Jone's Tadalafil.

Here are examples of what I am talking about:

http://madisonjamesresearchchems.com/tadalafil-capsules

http://www.sarms1.com/liquicia






Tadalafil
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First and foremost, you saying I "hate Jon Jones" is just another fabrication you need to tell yourself in order to respond. I'm a Jon Jones fan, always have been. You know what though? I can freely admit he's a fucking moron, and let's face it; odds are he's guilty just based strictly on his proven track record of making piss poor life choices. I would be happy to be proven wrong and have it all be a mistake, but ... I'm not holding my breath.

Second, I don't think anyone disagrees that tainted supplements can and do happen. But you are stating it as FACT in this case when in actuality it has NOT been established and you're just trying to use it to vindicate Jones.

Third, it's not as though USADA has been sneaky about what they do. It's pretty fucking clear that if you're under contract with the UFC you CAN and WILL be tested randomly. So ... how about the fighters just not be a bunch of cheating fucks? Don't blame the organization doing the testing for hurting the sport. Blame the fighters who clearly can't abide by some simple fucking rules. If the fighters don't like getting tested because it's too "invasive", they have this wonderful ability to NOT BE A PROFESSIONAL MMA ATHLETE.

It's common sense, which I know is hard for you to grasp. Give it a try though, don't hurt yourself.
 
King Cobra said:
Jones got suspended for having TRACES of Clomid and Letro, which was CONFIRMED by USADA to have been found in the generic Cialis (Tadalafil) that Jones was taking.

This was confirmed in the USADA report posted on the bottom, after that very same generic Cialis was tested in their very own laboratory.

The generic Cialis was given to Jones from a friend who had purchased it from an online company. It was done legally being that the online company applies a loophole which allows them to sell such substances as long as they state on the label of each substance that "This product is for chemical use only. Not intended for human consumption". The oinline websites selling these substances are allowed to do so without requiring any prescription from a the customers as long as they state that they are a "laboratory research company" and they state the warning on each substance sold.

This company where the generic Cialis was purchased from also made Clomid and Letro. But after the fiasco with Jones went down, they stop selling the Letro and Colid probably due to legal advice.

The online company is called All American Peptide. The site link is listed one the bottom.

Here are the facts:

The arbitrators from USADA officially ruled that Jones "didn't intend to cheat but was instead reckless".

Here is the source of them making this statement:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pended-1-year-by-usada-for-positive-drug-test

Furthermore, the USADA arbitrators also stated this about Jones :

"On the evidence before the Panel, the Applicant is not a drug cheat. He did not know that the tablet he took contained prohibited substances or that those substances had the capacity to enhance sporting performance. However by his imprudent use of what he pungently referred to as a "dick pill" he has not only lost a year of his career but an estimated nine million dollars. This outcome which he admits to be a wake-up call for him should serve as a warning to all others who participate in the same sport."

This is found on the USADA report posted on the bottom.

This is why they cut his suspension by half when he would had originally received two years.

Clomid and Letro are not PEDs. They are banned substances but not performance enhancers. They are taken to counteract the effects of estrogen with Letro being taken during and Clomid being taken after one takes testosterone injections as a base for taking other steroids.

The thing is that with USADA's ultra strict and more invasive testing, they would had caught Jones taking roids before hand. They themselves agree that Jones did not cheated purposely. That he indeed had traces of Clomid and Letro in his system because of the generic Cialis. But that he should reported to them when he was going to take the Cialis. They would had educated him on not taking a substance from an underground company which would be contaminated with traces of other substances since these laboratories are usually underground.

This would had never been an issue before USADA took over in testing UFC fighters when they were tested by the athletic state commission with just urine samples being taken.

This is bigger than Jones. This is about how USADA has taken testing these fighters to a whole other level where it has become much more invasive, even to the point that they can come during a fighters birthday party for their child and they have to take a blood test.

Jone's haters can speculate that he took steroids just because he got bigger while doing strength training. These are the same type of people who are ignorant to how strength conditioning works. Evander Holyfield was one of the first boxers to get into strength and conditioning which allowed him to get more muscular and go up to fighting heavyweight from cruiserweight.

A great gifted athletes like Jones with money to spend on a solid nutrition program under the guidance of a nutritionist as well as train with experts in strength and conditioning would not have any problem gaining muscle mass much quicker than the average Joe who dwells in his basement or behind a office desk all day.

To make such speculations would be no different than speculating that Fedor took EPO to enhance his endurance levels while fighting for an organization in a country that did not test their fighters for any PED. Or speculating that GSP was as great an athletic in fighting as he was while quickly learning wrestling because he took Human Growth Hormones (which was not tested by the Nevada Athletic State Commission) but then decided to retire after USADA took over.

All speculations right? But yet Jones does not receive the same benefit of the doubt?



http://ufc.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/Award-6-November-2016.pdf


http://www.allamericanpeptide.com/research-chemicals/
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You can't even spell his name right but you are going to educate us? LOL.
 
LikeItIs said:
Second, I don't think anyone disagrees that tainted supplements can and do happen. But you are stating it as FACT in this case when in actuality it has NOT been established and you're just trying to use it to vindicate Jones.
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Are you fucking serious?

It has been proven to be a fact because the Tadalifil he took was linked to the website he purchased it from which also sells clomid which he pissed hot for? And USADA tested that same pill which was proven to be contaminated with clomid and letro.

This is the reason why the arbitrary believed his story and only suspended him for one year being that he still pissed hot for those banned substances and that he acted recklessly by taking something without checking more into it unlike Romero who took the supplement out of good faith based of the ingredients listed on the bottle. These "research" websites do not list the ingredients at all.

The fact that you are so dense proves that you hate Jones. After all the facts and the reality of what happened, you still will not take your head out of your ass.

Third, it's not as though USADA has been sneaky about what they do. It's pretty fucking clear that if you're under contract with the UFC you CAN and WILL be tested randomly. So ... how about the fighters just not be a bunch of cheating fucks? Don't blame the organization doing the testing for hurting the sport. Blame the fighters who clearly can't abide by some simple fucking rules. If the fighters don't like getting tested because it's too "invasive", they have this wonderful ability to NOT BE A PROFESSIONAL MMA ATHLETE.

It's common sense, which I know is hard for you to grasp. Give it a try though, don't hurt yourself.
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You talk about me not grasping at common sense when you are the one who is too mentally challenged to understand facts while still questioning it?

And you are definitely a newbie. Because any old school MMA fan will tell you how much damage USADA is doing to the sport. Only reason why you act like a morally responsible high horse rider is because you want to see Jones go down because of the amount of threat he poses in the UFC and in being known as a GOAT.

You do not want to see a black fighter become a GOAT over Fedor or GSP because you are racist.
 
King Cobra said:
You talk about me not grasping at common sense when you are the one who is too mentally challenged to understand facts while still questioning it?

And you are definitely a newbie. Because any old school MMA fan will tell you how much damage USADA is doing to the sport. Only reason why you act like a morally responsible high horse rider is because you want to see Jones go down because of the amount of threat he poses in the UFC and in being known as a GOAT.

You do not want to see a black fighter become a GOAT over Fedor or GSP because you are racist.
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... how the fuck did you segue this into something racial?

Grasping at straws now to cover up your stupidity KC, much like you do in EVERY OTHER THREAD YOU START. My 8 year old nephew is a better debater than you are.

You know, if 90% of the people who respond in your posts tell you your a dumb shit, odds are you're a dumb shit.
 
LikeItIs said:
... how the fuck did you segue this into something racial?

Grasping at straws now to cover up your stupidity KC, much like you do in EVERY OTHER THREAD YOU START. My 8 year old nephew is a better debater than you are.
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Because with all the facts presented, as well as the realities of what happened at the hearing which can be confirm anywhere, and the fact that you still do not want to believe these realities or facts, must mean that you are racist and just6 do not want Jones to be in the GOAT category as to not go against GSP or Fedor.

What other explanation is there for man to dispute realities and facts while going by his own warped perception of reality? Either you are a racist or you are Jared Loughner with a severe mental illness.

You know, if 90% of the people who respond in your posts tell you your a dumb shit, odds are you're a dumb shit.
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This is beyond idiotic. Sherdog is known for having many members of Stormfront on here so of course the majority of people who hate Jones will reply on here.

90% of people in North Korea believes that Kim Jong-un is God. That does not mean it is true.

Derp.
 
King Cobra said:
That is all you got out of that? A typo?

You inbred racist fucks are really pathetic.
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LOL, pointing out your silly bullshit is racist? Wow. I guess everything is these days. Saying the sky is blue is also racist.

But as far as the rest of your nonsense goes I'll give you more.

It's not speculation to note that he has been caught with banned substances in his system twice.

He is solely responsible for whatever is in his system.

He is a young healthy athlete competing at the highest levels, yet he is taking dick pills.

He obtained said dick pill from a gym buddy who has himself been busted for PEDs, not from a doctor.

This dick pill came in an order which also contained the substance for which he was busted.

Jones also has a history of DUI, heavy cocaine use, hit and run, and leaving the scene of an accident where a pregnant woman was injured.

Now he has been busted for taking an anabolic steroid during the run up to the fight.

All of this is just what I can think of off the top of my head, and that has been PROVEN. Not speculation. Not rumors. All of it FACTS.

If we include the rumors then we have repeated cheating on his fiance, and having a baby momma in Iowa, additional hard partying behavior, hiding from drug tests under the octagon at Jacksons, questionable drug test results and I'm sure there is much more.

Impulse control issues, superficial charm, manipulation and lies, drug abuse, selfish behavior and disregard for others rights and well being, .

Jon Jones fits the DSM-IV psychological profile of someone with anti-social personality disorder, what used to be called a sociopath or psychopath.

And now given his repeated drug use his entire fighting record must, at the very least, come into question for any serious and reasonable MMA fan.
 
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