International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Rholk]

They should return the hostages regardless but i dont think it will halt Rafah

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/06/middleeast/hamas-agrees-ceasefire-proposal-israel-gaza-latam-intl/index.html#:~:text=Palestinians%20in%20Rafah%20celebrate%20news,proposal%2C%20May%206%2C%202024.

Asked whether Hamas’ acceptance of a deal could change Israel’s plans for Rafah, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari said the military would continue to operate in Gaza. He said operations are ongoing, but that the IDF is making every effort in the negotiations to bring the hostages home as “fast as possible.”

Netanyahu has come under fierce pressure from the more extreme wing of his coalition not to accept the ceasefire proposal outlined last week, and to focus instead on destroying Hamas in Rafah.

Orit Strook, Israel’s settlements minister and a member of the far-right Religious Zionism party, said last week that accepting the deal would “throw” Israel’s military progress “in the trash.”

Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel’s national security minister, said Netanyahu had “promised that Israel would enter Rafah, assured that the war would not end, and pledged that there would be no reckless deal.”

But large parts of the Israeli public have demanded Netanyahu accept a deal. Families and supporters of the hostages blocked the Ayalon Highway in Tel Aviv last week, holding a banner reading: “Rafah or the hostages – choose life.”

It'd be alot harder to sell a Rafah offensive for Israel once the hostages are released.

 

[Anewt]

It'd be alot harder to sell a Rafah offensive for Israel once the hostages are released.

I don't think the concept of selling their actions is such a concern at the moment imo.

There's enough unwavering support in the right political positions. Public opinion seems to be pretty irrelevant.

Although I had a disturbing thought. Do you think they'd be more careful with collateral damage knowing they won't hit their own? Or less?

( not that I see the hostages being released sadly . I doubt if anyone knows where they all are )

 

[mjfan23]

I'd like to see the U.N. send in investigation teams and get to the bottom of this.

Israel or Hamas, let the chips fall where they may.

And how has the UN findings, rulings and resolutions shaped your opinion of Israel until now?

 

[iwannabeadored]

You're missing the point.

There was a LOT of speculation about what he was wearing (some claimed to aid in a crime spree) "Timberland boots" while the trial showed he had on actual jogging shoes as he was...

Jogging.

I'll wait for the investigation.

You know as well as I know that you’re full of shit.

An investigation would do nothing to sway your opinion of what you think is going on. All that would happen is you would denounce the UN or say they are biased.

Israel is rejecting ANY investigation that the UN has proposed. As their own spokesman are saying “let’s wait until the dust settles”.

They’ve had a goal and war crimes aren’t going to stop them

 

[iwannabeadored]

And how has the UN findings, rulings and resolutions shaped your opinion of Israel until now?

That’s the point. Hes full of shit and he knows it.

 

[Hog-train]

There will never be peace with Netanyahu.

On tape ADMITTING TO SABOTAGING THE OSLO PEACE ACCORDS.

 

[HereticBD]

Why TF would Hamas surrender when all their leadership is safe in Qatar and they don't really give a shit about the people?

You're asking for an impossibility.

That's like saying a highly protected President, Prime Minister, King, etc, etc, can't possibly surrender, because they're not the ones dodging the bullets and bombs. The leaders usually aren't deep in the shit, dude. That's a very weak justification for Hamas not surrendering. Most leaders will recognize the massacre of the people that awaits, if they don't surrender under similar circumstances.

It's not impossible. Hamas are just pieces of shit, that will gleefully throw their people into a thresher. I guess that means Israel has to back off and bow down to those safe Hamas leaders, right? Umm, no. That's not how it works.

 

[iwannabeadored]

I'd like to see the U.N. send in investigation teams and get to the bottom of this.

Israel or Hamas, let the chips fall where they may.

Tell Israel to agree to an investigation

And people were saying that Ahmaud Arbery was wearing Timberlands while he was out jogging and murdered... Until the trial showed otherwise.

I'll wait for the investigation.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html

Finally cnn reporting news. This is a genocide

 

[iwannabeadored]

There will never be peace with Netanyahu.

On tape ADMITTING TO SABOTAGING THE OSLO PEACE ACCORDS.

lol bibis fleshlight @kflo has to work overtime to earn his scholarship money from Israel to defend this

 

[iwannabeadored]

That's like saying a highly protected President, Prime Minister, King, etc, etc, can't possibly surrender, because they're not the ones dodging the bullets and bombs. The leaders usually aren't deep in the shit, dude. That's a very weak justification for Hamas not surrendering. Most leaders will recognize the massacre of the people that awaits, if they don't surrender under similar circumstances.

It's not impossible. Hamas are just pieces of shit, that will gleefully throw their people into a thresher. I guess that means Israel has to back off and bow down to those safe Hamas leaders, right? Umm, no. That's not how it works.

You make zero sense. So why doesn’t Israel go into quarts and go get them ?


You can’t slaughter innocents and be looked at as a normal government.

 

[Strychnine]

The UN has already investigated countless previous actions by Israel over the years, deemed them war crimes and literally nothing happened.

Well, at least we'll have proof.

 

[Strychnine]

And how has the UN findings, rulings and resolutions shaped your opinion of Israel until now?

Israel has done some dirty stuff in the prosecution of this war as did Hamas.

Horrible actions... On both sides.

 

[Strychnine]

You know as well as I know that you’re full of shit.

An investigation would do nothing to sway your opinion of what you think is going on. All that would happen is you would denounce the UN or say they are biased.

Israel is rejecting ANY investigation that the UN has proposed. As their own spokesman are saying “let’s wait until the dust settles”.

They’ve had a goal and war crimes aren’t going to stop them

I've been nothing but congenial to you. If you cannot have a conversation with me without insults, then when you see my Avatar on the left and the color of my text isn't any other color than white?

Keep scrolling. I have no time nor inclination to get into an insult flame war.

 

[Strychnine]

There will never be peace with Netanyahu.

On tape ADMITTING TO SABOTAGING THE OSLO PEACE ACCORDS.

Oh yeah,

Netanyahu has to go.

Period.

He's only prosecuting the war now to stay out of jail.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[SandisLL]

Benny told that Isael will continue to fight vs HAMAS in Gaza, that tunnels should be destroyed, then terrorists will be defeated.
They does have bunker booster bombs and water pumps to fill tunnels with water.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

The majority of Europeans stands with Israel. Suck it, haters!

 

[Siver!]

My personal pick of Switzerland won, so happy with that.

Thought Switzerland and France were clearly the best performances.

I can't be arsed interrogating European support of Israel in this context, but I don't see any reason to surmise Israel is enormously popular in Europe, or they'd have won outright based on the public vote. They didn't even win the public vote, let alone overturn the low jury score.

That's unusual because Israel is very much a 'yes or no' subject. If popularity was that high, they'd have won regardless of performances, as Ukraine did the year before last. But it doesn't imply, either, that Israel is massively unpopular in Europe.

I think it shows Europe is very much split on Israel, if anything, but who gives a shit?

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

My personal pick of Switzerland won, so happy with that.

Thought Switzerland and France were clearly the best performances.

I can't be arsed interrogating European support of Israel in this context, but I don't see any reason to surmise Israel is enormously popular in Europe, or they'd have won outright based on the public vote. They didn't even win the public vote, let alone overturn the low jury score.

That's unusual because Israel is very much a 'yes or no' subject. If popularity was that high, they'd have won regardless of performances, as Ukraine did the year before last. But it doesn't imply, either, that Israel is massively unpopular in Europe.

I think it shows Europe is very much split on Israel, if anything, but who gives a shit?

Hmm...I could have sworn Israel would have won if it weren't for the votes from the elite jury. Israel's winning the public vote is reminiscent of a movie receiving an overwhelmingly positive score from the audience but a negative one from the elite twat cinema journalists on Rotten Tomatoes.

Hey look who gave Israel the highest public vote score: