International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Rod1]

around 10% of the Knesset.

According to which definition? (legit question, im curious).

 

[Samjj]

According to which definition? (legit question, im curious).

nationalist settler parties.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

But wouldn't storming that place be the fastest way to end the war? Im sure electorally it would benefit Biden if things got wrapped up.

Is it about fearing Hamas would kill hostages?

well if it's still going in november, it certainly will be an issue for biden.
he's probably trying to minimize damage while hopefully understanding the israelis probably also had enough of this shit, the army i mean.

 

[mjfan23]

Newsflash, dipshit. Germany isn't ruled by the Nazis anymore.



Cope and seethe, loser.

Another dumbfuck who supports Putin's genocidal regime.

Can’t even complete a sentence without resorting to desperate name calling or childish whining?

When did you last step out of the trailer park?

Living exclusively in the off topic sub section of a karate forum and embarrassing yourself daily can’t be healthy.

 

[Rod1]

nationalist settler parties.

Why is the attack on Rafah such a controversy? i mean its seems like a fast way to end the war and its not like Israel has shown much restraint elsewhere?

Is that where food is coming through the city or something?

 

[Samjj]

Why is the attack on Rafah such a controversy? i mean its seems like a fast way to end the war and its not like Israel has shown much restraint elsewhere?

Is that where food is coming through the city or something?

It's been the last humanitarian corridor for all of the displaced persons that left other parts of Gaza. It has a massive tent city which would almost certainly guarantee very large civilian casualties if the op takes place.

It is also believed to be where Hamas' leadership in the strip are sheltering, as well as the remaining hostages who are believed to be alive.

It's also where Hamas' destroyed battalions are believed to have fled after being dismantled in central and northern Gaza.

In short, it's a really high stakes area which could make or break the whole operation - at a very high cost. The "last stand" of a Western, if you want a bad metaphor.

 

[iwannabeadored]

Well except that Ukraine didn’t launch a mass terrorist attack that targeted civilians to start that invasion. So let’s not pretend these are the same situation in any context

How many Palestinians were killed in 2023/2022?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Yeah. I love watching these anti-American hipster dipshits who trespass on universities and prevent tuition-paying students from receiving education getting their shit kicked in.

Take your lawlessness somewhere else.

bro loves government oppression & violating the constitution lmao

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Can’t even complete a sentence without resorting to desperate name calling or childish whining?

When did you last step out of the trailer park?

Living exclusively in the off topic sub section of a karate forum and embarrassing yourself daily can’t be healthy.

I'd rather be obnoxious than a nonsense-spouting dumbass like you.

You implied that I was a Nazi because I supported the German Polizeis' efforts to remove protesters who obstruct traffic and disrupt public order. Nice strawman, dum dum. I'll have you know, it's super illegal to publicly deny the Holocaust, display the swastika, and do the Sieg Heil salute in Germany these days:

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

bro loves government oppression & violating the constitution lmao

Removing these protesters who are trespassing on private property and denying Jewish students access is an example of government oppression and a violation of the Constitution?

Oh look, here's another pathetic Pro-Palestinian playing the victim with his retarded logic.

 

[Rholk]

 

[LeonardoBjj]

‘The goal is to destroy Gaza’: Why Israel rejects a ceasefire with Hamas​

Israel has rejected a ceasefire and launched an operation in Rafah, raising fears that the war in Gaza could drag on.

By Mat Nashed
Published On 7 May 20247 May 2024

Israel appears to have been blindsided by Hamas’s announcement on Monday that it had agreed to an Egyptian-Qatari ceasefire proposal. But the Israeli government quickly made its position clear – the proposal wasn’t something it would agree to, and, to make matters more explicit, its military forces took control of the Palestinian side of Egypt’s border with Gaza in Rafah.

For many analysts, the Israeli government’s message is clear: there will be no permanent ceasefire, and the devastating war on Gaza will continue.

“Israel wants to reserve the right to continue operations in Gaza,” said Mairav Zonszein, a senior analyst on Israel-Palestine for the International Crisis Group (ICG).

She added that a deal seems impossible as long as Israel refuses to end the war, for good.

“If you enter a ceasefire deal, then you will [eventually] need a ceasefire,” she told Al Jazeera.

Israel’s bombing of Rafah has the ostensible aim of disbanding Hamas battalions and seizing control of the Gaza-Egyptian crossing, which Israel accuses Hamas of using to smuggle weapons into the besieged enclave. But humanitarian groups have been quick to point out that a closure of the crossing will have disastrous consequences for the more than one million Palestinians living in Rafah, the majority of them displaced.

And it also jeopardises hopes of securing a deal between Israel and Hamas, which Egypt, Qatar and the United States have spent days attempting to broker, with William Burns, the head of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) heavily involved.

Israel said that the terms of the Hamas ceasefire differed from previous proposals it had seen. But analysts believe that the wider issue is that Israel is not willing to agree to a permanent ceasefire, even after Hamas releases Israeli captives.

“The last couple of days have proved that Israel was not really negotiating in good faith. The moment that Hamas agreed to a deal, Israel was willing to blow that up by commencing their assault on Rafah,” said Omar Rahman, an expert on Israel-Palestine with the Middle East Council for Global Affairs, a think tank in Doha, Qatar.

“The goal is to destroy Gaza in its totality,” he told Al Jazeera.

Selling a victory?​

Rafah has become the last refuge for Palestinians fleeing Israeli attacks across the enclave’s northern and central regions. It has not been totally spared attack, but the Israeli army had not – until Monday – sent in ground forces to occupy territory there.

But having conducted ground operations across the rest of Gaza, and with Hamas still operational and dozens of Israeli captives still being held, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has begun his attack – although its still to be determined how far his forces will go in Rafah.

The conundrum that Netanyahu faces is that he has promised the Israeli public victory against Hamas – and a large majority of Jewish Israelis support an invasion of Rafah, according to a survey taken in March by the Israeli Democracy Institute. But the US, despite its overwhelming support for Israel throughout the war on Gaza, has made clear that it will not support a full-scale invasion.

Israel’s war cabinet may be trying to satisfy public opinion by going ahead with the Rafah offensive and initially rejecting a ceasefire, said Hugh Lovatt, an expert on Israel-Palestine with the European Council for Foreign Relations (ECFR).

“It might be too difficult for the Israeli government to accept a proposal that is seen [by the Israeli public] to be on Hamas’s terms,” he told Al Jazeera. “By going into Rafah, Israel could be seen as saying…we have taken over the corridor, we have uprooted terrorist infrastructure and now we can have a ceasefire.”

Clinging to power​

Netanyahu’s political career also hinges on continuing the war in Gaza, analysts told Al Jazeera. They explained that a permanent ceasefire could lead to the collapse of his far-right coalition, prompting early elections and his removal from power.

Israel’s far-right national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, and finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, have reportedly both threatened to leave and collapse Netanyahu’s coalition if Israel agrees to a captive deal and ceasefire.

Khaled Elgindy, an analyst on Israel-Palestine for the Middle East Institute, believes that Hamas’s acceptance of a ceasefire proposal puts Netanyahu in an awkward position since he can no longer claim that a reasonable deal isn’t on the table.

“Netanyahu needs the war to continue and expand for him to stay in power. He personally doesn’t have an incentive,” he told Al Jazeera.

Lovatt, from ECFR, added that invading Rafah also carries medium and long-term risks for Netanyahu and Israel. He fears that if Israel significantly escalates its offensive on Rafah, then it will lose the remaining Israeli captives without arriving any closer to its stated aim of “eradicating Hamas”.

“If Israel goes into Rafah and wreaks carnage and damage, then it will be no closer to its strategic objective and I think that will create more complications for Netanyahu in the weeks and months ahead,” he told Al Jazeera.

In May, US President Joe Biden warned Netanyahu against invading Rafah and said such a move would be a “red line”.

Lovatt believes that the US should penalise Netanyahu for disregarding Biden’s threat. He added that the US should suspend military aid and clarify that the ceasefire proposal accepted by Hamas is in line with the one that CIA chief Burns helped mediate.

“It appears that Israel is bypassing a ceasefire proposal that Will Burns worked on. This is a massive move against US diplomacy and I think the US needs to put its foot down,” Lovatt told Al Jazeera.

“This is about saving Netanyahu from himself and saving Israel from itself.”

The US has delayed the sale of thousands of precision weapons to Israel, but Elgindy is sceptical that the US will exert more pressure to avert a catastrophe in Rafah.

He said that Biden still doesn’t appear to grasp Israel’s strategic error in Gaza or the scale of the disaster that he has enabled.

“Some people in Biden’s administration have reached that conclusion [that Israel committed a strategic error], but they are not decision-makers. They are not the president,” he told Al Jazeera.

Zonszein, from Crisis Group, added that it is unclear how far the US will go to push Netanyahu to accept a ceasefire. She said that the US appears to have given the mediators private guarantees that any ceasefire would eventually lead to a permanent end to the war.

“The US is very much interested in stopping this invasion into Rafah and I think it has the ability to stop it,” she said. “ It just doesn’t want to appear to be helping Hamas, so it’s a tricky situation.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...aza-why-israel-rejects-a-ceasefire-with-hamas

 

[mjfan23]

I'd rather be obnoxious than a nonsense-spouting dumbass like you.

You implied that I was a Nazi because I supported the German Polizeis' efforts to remove protesters who obstruct traffic and disrupt public order. Nice strawman, dum dum. I'll have you know, it's super illegal to publicly deny the Holocaust, display the swastika, and do the Sieg Heil salute in Germany these days:

So you not just a miserable person but are also insecure, assume shit and rage cuss at everyone? I feel pity for you. I didn’t call you a nazi but I am calling you a retard right now!

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Removing these protesters who are trespassing on private property and denying Jewish students access is an example of government oppression and a violation of the Constitution?

Oh look, here's another pathetic Pro-Palestinian playing the victim with his retarded logic.

protesting on public property is explicitly protected in the constitution. congrats on the reading comprehension

 

[kflo]

protesting on public property is explicitly protected in the constitution. congrats on the reading comprehension

lol

 

[Anewt]

Yeah. I love watching these anti-American hipster dipshits who trespass on universities and prevent tuition-paying students from receiving education getting their shit kicked in.

Take your lawlessness somewhere else.

That's Dutch police. .. in Amsterdam.....

They aren't American..... and are "tuition paying students " themselves............

Another dumbfuck who supports Putin's genocidal regime.

Oh wow... that's a " genocidal regime " whilst in here it's constantly bitched every time the term comes up.

The irony

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

That's Dutch police. .. in Amsterdam.....

They aren't American..... and are "tuition paying students " themselves............



Oh wow... that's a " genocidal regime " whilst in here it's constantly bitched every time the term comes up.

The irony

No shit, Sherlock. I was talking about the protesters in my country for the sake of argument. You can stop it right there with the genocidal accusations on Israel. It's getting stale and I don't feel like debunking this nonsense for the thousandth time.

 

[Anewt]

Why is the attack on Rafah such a controversy? i mean its seems like a fast way to end the war and its not like Israel has shown much restraint elsewhere?

Is that where food is coming through the city or something?

It's been the last humanitarian corridor for all of the displaced persons that left other parts of Gaza. It has a massive tent city which would almost certainly guarantee very large civilian casualties if the op takes place.

It is also believed to be where Hamas' leadership in the strip are sheltering, as well as the remaining hostages who are believed to be alive.

It's also where Hamas' destroyed battalions are believed to have fled after being dismantled in central and northern Gaza.

In short, it's a really high stakes area which could make or break the whole operation - at a very high cost. The "last stand" of a Western, if you want a bad metaphor.

To add to Samjis valid points. It's also where over half of Gaza fled to safety as it wasn't being levelled as much. I believe there's over a million crammed there as it was the safest place.

The potential for mass scale casualties [ already incredibly high ] due to Gaza's population density is amplified even more.

* apparently over 1.4 million *

He said an estimated 1.4 million people in Rafah remain at risk, including 600,000 children. Dr. Rik Peeperkorn, WHO's representative to the occupied Palestinian territory, said that due to a lack of fuel, the agency had suspended its operations in the north of Gaza “for now and for the coming week.”18 hours ago.

The Latest | Rafah's hospitals will run out of fuel in 3 days, WHO says

The U.N. World Health Organization says it has only three days of fuel for its medical operations in southern Gaza, and shortages have already forced one of three hospitals in the city of Rafah to shut down.The Rafah border crossing with Egypt has been closed since Israel’s military took control of

apnews.com

The Rafah border crossing with Egypt has been closed since Israel’s military took control of the Palestinian side early Tuesday, blocking the entry of desperately needed humanitarian aid. The U.N. says northern Gaza is already in a state of “full-blown famine.”

Israel said it reopened Kerem Shalom crossing, the other main entry point for aid, early Wednesday. U.N. officials say no aid has entered Gaza, and there is no one to receive it on the Palestinian side because of ongoing fighting.

The war in Gaza has driven around 80% of the territory’s population of 2.3 million from their homes and caused vast destruction to apartments, hospitals, mosques and schools across several cities.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Lol you're really going to go fo it hey. This is why I find it funny and ironic.

I fail to see the irony, if there is one.

 

[Anewt]

I fail to see the irony.

I'm honestly not really surprised