International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Blayt7hh]

You look at Bosnia and the death toll on civilians significantly lower than whats happened in the ongoing situation in Gaza is acknowledged as a genocide, around 7,000 cilvians were killed in Srebrenica.

Well I don’t know what they considered it or what it’s generally considered today as I’m not well read on what happened in Bosnia, but that could have to do with them trying to rape their bloodline out of existence along with the 8,000 murders.

Also those were Muslims that were massacred by Christians. So you bringing it up that it’s a recognized genocide undermines your earlier assertion that people don’t care when it happens to Muslims, doesn’t it?

 

[Hog-train]

Twenty-seven states have adopted laws or policies that penalize businesses, organizations, or individuals that engage in or call for boycotts against Israel.

Free speech my ass. No other nation in the world has this special privileged protected status in the US.

US: States Use Anti-Boycott Laws to Punish Responsible Businesses

Many United States states are using anti-boycott laws and executive orders to punish companies that refuse to do business with illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank, Human Rights Watch said today. More than 250 million Americans, some 78 percent of the population, live in states with...

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[Chad R. Thundercock]

Twenty-seven states have adopted laws or policies that penalize businesses, organizations, or individuals that engage in or call for boycotts against Israel.

Free speech my ass. No other nation in the world has this special privileged protected status in the US.

US: States Use Anti-Boycott Laws to Punish Responsible Businesses

Many United States states are using anti-boycott laws and executive orders to punish companies that refuse to do business with illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank, Human Rights Watch said today. More than 250 million Americans, some 78 percent of the population, live in states with...

www.hrw.org

Lol. Good luck with your dumbass BDS movement. The majority of Intel chips are designed at Haifa. Israel is also known for their breakthrough research in chemotherapy and cancer treatment.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to help myself to a tub of Sabra Hummus.

 

[Hog-train]

Lol. Good luck with your dumbass BDS movement. The majority of Intel chips are designed at Haifa. Israel is also known for their breakthrough research in chemotherapy and cancer treatment.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to help myself to a tub of Sabra Hummus.

That has nothing to do with my point. Again with a tangent. It's called free speech. Either you're for it or against it.

The conservative hypocrisy on this is astounding.

 

[moreorless87]

Well I don’t know what they considered it or what it’s generally considered today as I’m not well read on what happened in Bosnia, but that could have to do with them trying to rape their bloodline out of existence along with the 8,000 murders.

Also those were Muslims that were massacred by Christians. So you bringing it up that it’s a recognized genocide undermines your earlier assertion that people don’t care when it happens to Muslims, doesn’t it?

Well if you looking for a difference the Bosnia war crimes were carried out by the Russian allied Serbs not the US allied Israelis.

Twenty-seven states have adopted laws or policies that penalize businesses, organizations, or individuals that engage in or call for boycotts against Israel.

Free speech my ass. No other nation in the world has this special privileged protected status in the US.

US: States Use Anti-Boycott Laws to Punish Responsible Businesses

Many United States states are using anti-boycott laws and executive orders to punish companies that refuse to do business with illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank, Human Rights Watch said today. More than 250 million Americans, some 78 percent of the population, live in states with...

www.hrw.org

"Boycotts also played key roles in international campaigns against apartheid in South Africa "

Which is obviously why they are being fought against so strongly here, apartheid in South Africa had very strong public support just as it does in Israel so it needed outside pressure to end it.

It does I think also clearly show you the kind of arguement favoured by certain liberial pro Israeli posters that the US simply cannot control Israel is nonsense, the reality is the US has plenty of ways it could apply pressure but isnt.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

That has nothing to do with my point. Again with a tangent. It's called free speech. Either you're for it or against it.

The conservative hypocrisy on this is astounding.

I don't give a damn. Where are the leftists calling for a boycott on China, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar? Huh? Hmm? These countries have abysmal human rights records but goddamn, can we not live without their cheap goods (courtesy of IP theft) and oil.

It's always gotta be the "oppressing whities" who must be boycotted, right?

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free! Free to export terrorism and the latest cutting edge technology in suicide vests.

 

[tastaylvr]

I don't give a damn. Where are the leftists calling for a boycott on China, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar? Huh? Hmm? These countries have abysmal human rights records but goddamn, can we not live without their cheap goods (courtesy of IP theft) and oil.

It's always gotta be the "oppressing whities" who must be boycotted, right?

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free! Free to export terrorism and the latest cutting edge technology in suicide vests.

You consider Israel a white country now?

The flip flop of convenience strikes again

Morally ambiguous to win online arguments lol

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

You consider Israel a white country now?

The flip flop of convenience strikes again

Morally ambiguous to win online arguments lol

Did you miss the double quotation marks, you plausibly autistic, stupid fuck?

Learn how to read between the lines or have your mom help you interpret it for you, you silly bitch.

 

[moreorless87]

I don't give a damn. Where are the leftists calling for a boycott on China, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar? Huh? Hmm? These countries have abysmal human rights records but goddamn, can we not live without their cheap goods (courtesy of IP theft) and oil.

It's always gotta be the "oppressing whities" who must be boycotted, right?

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free! Free to export terrorism and the latest cutting edge technology in suicide vests.

Plenty of calls for boycotts against the Saudis and Qatar, boycotts on Saudi arms sales have been asked for going back many years, especially during the war in Yemen and the Qatar world cup was often criticized for its poor human rights record with many calling for boycotts.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Plenty of calls for boycotts against the Saudis and Qatar, boycotts on Saudi arms sales have been asked for going back many years, especially during the war in Yemen and the Qatar world cup was often criticized for its poor human rights record with many calling for boycotts.

Plenty? I beg to differ, what with Qatar's and Saudi Arabia's successful efforts of sportwashing their history of horrendous treatment of women and homosexuals and modern day slavery. Just a few days ago, Saudi Arabia sentenced a women's right activist to 11 years in prison for posting pictures of herself at the gym without a hijab. This, after the United Nations elected Saudi Arabia as the chair of its women's rights forum.

What a fucking farce.

 

[moreorless87]

Plenty? I beg to differ, what with Qatar's and Saudi Arabia's successful efforts of sportwashing their history of horrendous treatment of women and homosexuals and modern day slavery. Just a few days ago, Saudi Arabia sentenced a women's right activist to 11 years in prison for posting pictures of herself at the gym without a hijab. This, after the United Nations elected Saudi Arabia as the chair of its women's rights forum.

What a fucking farce.

Genuine progressives have been highly critical of the Saudi's and called for arms sales boycotts and indeed other boycotts on them going back decades.

CAAT - CAAT’s legal challenge

The UK government refuses to stop arms sales to Saudi Arabia, despite overwhelming evidence of violations of International Humanitarian Law in Yemen. CAAT is challenging this in the Courts.

caat.org.uk

The Saudi's of course benefit from being strong allies of the US and western nations which has meant these calls for boycotts have not been heeded and they've been allowed to get away with their terrible human rights record for decades.

This isnt a blindness of genuine progressives, its a blindness of both conservatives and mainstream liberial centralists, the same people who are propping up the Israelis war crimes.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Genuine progressives have been highly critical of the Saudi's and called for arms sales boycotts and indeed other boycotts on them going back decades.

CAAT - CAAT’s legal challenge

The UK government refuses to stop arms sales to Saudi Arabia, despite overwhelming evidence of violations of International Humanitarian Law in Yemen. CAAT is challenging this in the Courts.

caat.org.uk

The Saudi's of course benefit from being strong allies of the US and western nations which has meant these calls for boycotts have not been heeded and they've been allowed to get away with their terrible human rights record for decades.

This isnt a blindness of genuine progressives, its a blindness of both conservatives and mainstream liberial centralists, the same people who are propping up the Israelis war crimes.

It's not as mainstream as the BDS movement. You can stop now with the disingenuous comparison.

Do you have any evidence of the Israelis' "war crimes" in the current conflict? I've already got 1,200 reasons to counter your bullshit claim.

 

[moreorless87]

It's not as mainstream as the BDS movement. You can stop now with the disingenuous comparison.

Do you have any evidence of the Israelis' "war crimes" in the current conflict? I've already got 1,200 reasons to counter your bullshit claim.

The push back against it wasnt as strong and the Israeli's are currently killing tens of thousands of civilians plus the Yemen civil war and the Saudi's(and our) role in it was deliberately underreported by the same interests which back Israeli warcrimes.

Masses and masses of evidence has been posted in this very thread which you just ignore to revert back to the same old simplistic claims.

Honestly your previous post betrays a massive lack of understanding of politics of the region, you seem to view it as "progressives support Muslims" but the reality as I said is that actually the same groups who support the Israelis have very often supported Muslim religious hard liners when it suited their interests.

To be honest you give me the impression of some "atheist bro" who's obviously really driven by Islamophobic racism and is just really badly informed depending on social media grifters to play to your bigotry. Doesnt stop you from posting endlessly here of course with what seem like mods favourable to your cause but really you have no credibility.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

The push back against it wasnt as strong and the Israeli's are currently killing tens of thousands of civilians plus the Yemen civil war and the Saudi's(and our) role in it was deliberately underreported by the same interests which back Israeli warcrimes.

Masses and masses of evidence has been posted in this very thread which you just ignore to revert back to the same old simplistic claims.

Honestly your previous post betrays a massive lack of understanding of politics of the region, you seem to view it as "progressives support Muslims" but the reality as I said is that actually the same groups who support the Israelis have very often supported Muslim religious hard liners when it suited their interests.

To be honest you give me the impression of some "atheist bro" who's obviously really driven by Islamophobic racism and is just really badly informed depending on social media grifters to play to your bigotry. Doesnt stop you from posting endlessly here of course with what seem like mods favourable to your cause but really you have no credibility.

"Islamophobic racism?" What the fuck does that even mean? Muslims come in various races - white, black, brown, Asian, and indigenous, with the majority of them being South Asian. Are you accusing me of being racist against the Pakistanis/Indians/Bangladeshis?

What the hell does race have to do with my opposition to an extremist ideology that calls for the persecution of women, homosexuals, and unbelievers? Can you explain to me why these progressives are championing the rights of minority Muslims in Western countries when their respective countries - in which they're the majority - are known for persecuting the minority non-Muslims? I've asked you this question multiple times already and you keep dodging me. Why does this double standard exist?

Why do these people insist on immigrating to a Western country and imposing their values and beliefs onto others when it's the very same reason their countries of origin are shitholes with abysmal human rights records in the first place?

Have you ever heard of this thing called the Paradox of Tolerance? Why are you "progressives" so tolerant of the intolerant?

 

[moreorless87]

"Islamophobic racism?" What the fuck does that even mean? Muslims come in various races - white, black, brown, Asian, and indigenous, with the majority of them being South Asian. Are you accusing me of being racist against the Pakistanis/Indians/Bangladeshis?

What the hell does race have to do with my opposition to an extremist ideology that calls for the persecution of women, homosexuals, and unbelievers? Can you explain to me why these progressives are championing the rights of minority Muslims in Western countries when their respective countries - in which they're the majority - are known for persecuting the minority non-Muslims? I've asked you this question multiple times already and you keep dodging me. Why does this double standard exist?

Why do these people insist on immigrating to a Western country and imposing their values and beliefs onto others when it's the very same reason their countries of origin are shitholes with abysmal human rights records in the first place?

Have you ever heard of this thing called the Paradox of Tolerance? Why are you "progressives" so tolerant of the intolerant?

You were claiming that the Saudi's are somehow supported by the progressives who are critical of Israel, thats a monumentally ill informed opinion as those people have been strongly critical of them for years.

Again if your looking for the reasons why arms sales have carried on to the Saudi's you need look no further than exactly the same politicians who are propping up the Israeli's right now. I mean before Oct 7th the same politicians had been pushing hard for years to normalise relations between the Israeli's and the Saudi's at the post of the Palestine's cause.

For someone who posts so much in this thread to have such a poor grasp of even the very basic politics of the region I think is pretty revealing that really your driven mostly by islamophobia, something which supposedly "isnt racism/bigotry", seriously can you imagine someone trying to claim that anti-Semitism wasnt a problem because "the Jews arent an ethnic group"? they would quite rightly be torn to shreds.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

You were claiming that the Saudi's are somehow supported by the progressives who are critical of Israel, thats a monumentally ill informed opinion as those people have been strongly critical of them for years.

Again if your looking for the reasons why arms sales have carried on to the Saudi's you need look no further than exactly the same politicians who are propping up the Israeli's right now. I mean before Oct 7th the same politicians had been pushing hard for years to normalise relations between the Israeli's and the Saudi's at the post of the Palestine's cause.

For someone who posts so much in this thread to have such a poor grasp of even the very basic politics of the region I think is pretty revealing that really your driven mostly by islamophobia, something which supposedly "isnt racism".

Way to misinterpret what I wrote. I said the clamors for boycott on Saudi Arabia and Qatar are not as loud and mainstream as the ones on Israel.

Oh, I'm pretty familiar with the geopolitics of the Arabian peninsula and the surrounding areas. Don't be a condescending prick now. Are you aware that Iran gave the green light to Hamas to attack Israel on 10/7 to disrupt their diplomatic talks with Saudi Arabia? Would it be Islamophobic of me to point that it was all planned by the mullahs of the Islamic Iranian regime that's currently oppressing their citizens, especially with their barbaric treatment of women?

Still I have yet to hear your thoughts on the double standard imposed by the leftists regarding the tolerance, or lack thereof, of the Muslims who immigrate to Western countries. This is probably the fourth or fifth time I'm asking you this. I don't know; I've lost track already. Either answer my question or feel free to shut the fuck up.

 

[moreorless87]

Way to misinterpret what I wrote. I said the clamors for boycott on Saudi Arabia and Qatar are not as loud and mainstream as the ones on Israel.

Oh, I'm pretty familiar with the geopolitics of the Arabian peninsula and the surrounding areas. Don't be a condescending prick now. Are you aware that Iran gave the green light to Hamas to attack Israel on 10/7 to disrupt their diplomatic talks with Saudi Arabia? Would it be Islamophobic of me to point that it was all planned by the mullahs of the Islamic Iranian regime that's currently oppressing their citizens, especially with their barbaric treatment of women?

Still I have yet to hear your thoughts on the double standard imposed by the leftists regarding the tolerance, or lack thereof, of the Muslims who immigrate to Western countries. This is probably the fourth or fifth time I'm asking you this. I don't know; I've lost track already. Either answer my question or feel free to shut the fuck up.

I'm well aware Iran is involved with Hamas but you don't see me defending the Iranians.

Again your posting is either massively ignorant or wilfully dishonest if you seriously believe that progressives are the ones "turning a blind eye" to the Saudi's terrible human rights records and war crimes in Yemen. Progressives have been the ones speaking out about these things were as its been the allies if Israel who have been happy to turn a blind eye to them because it suits there political ends in the region.

What the hell does race have to do with my opposition to an extremist ideology that calls for the persecution of women, homosexuals, and unbelievers? Can you explain to me why these progressives are championing the rights of minority Muslims in Western countries when their respective countries - in which they're the majority - are known for persecuting the minority non-Muslims? I've asked you this question multiple times already and you keep dodging me. Why does this double standard exist?

Why do these people insist on immigrating to a Western country and imposing their values and beliefs onto others when it's the very same reason their countries of origin are shitholes with abysmal human rights records in the first place?

Seriously I think everyone needs to read this post made in response to my claim he was Islamophobic, his response is basically that such bigotry is ok because "Muslims arent an ethnic group" and that "there coming over here and not integrating with society", I mean jewish people espeically must surely see how dangerous those kinds of views really are.

I "defend Muslims" because whilst yes I'm personally an atheist social progressive I'm not willing to condone racism that as were now seeing leads to massive oppression and bloodshed. I believe my values should be sold to the world in a peaceful and open fashion not via mass slaughter.

Ontop of that of course the racist claims you make very often have little basis, the idea the Muslim immigrates are threatening Sharia law for example and indeed those at the top using them do not give a flying fuck about liberal values, all they care about is the wealth and power which can be gained by exploiting such arguments to further dangerous bigotry plus again of course there perfectly willing to work closely with Islamic fundamentalists when it suits those aims.

I mean the ironic thing is that for all the claims that "the left are blind to racism" I would argue one of the best examples of that is actually Israel itself, a nation with a very strong socialist background yet I think also built on racist colonialism which has inevitably led to bloody oppression and indeed to those socialist and social progressive values gradually being eroded were far right homophobes gain ever more power. The kind of left wing people your critical of are those who are NOT willing to allow racism within their belief system, who are not willing to compromise their morals.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

I'm well aware Iran is involved with Hamas but you don't see me defending the Iranians.

Again your posting is either massively ignorant or wilfully dishonest if you seriously believe that progressives are the ones "turning a blind eye" to the Saudi's terrible human rights records and war crimes in Yemen. Progressives have been the ones speaking out about these things were as its been the allies if Israel who have been happy to turn a blind eye to them because it suits there political ends in the region.



Seriously I think everyone needs to read this post made in response to my claim he was Islamophobic, his response is basically that such bigotry is ok because "Muslims arent an ethnic group" and that "there coming over here and not integrating with society", I mean jewish people espeically must surely see how dangerous those kinds of views really are.

I "defend Muslims" because whilst yes I'm personally an atheist social progressive I'm not willing to condone racism that as were now seeing leads to massive oppression and bloodshed. I believe my values should be sold to the world in a peaceful and open fashion not via mass slaughter.

Ontop of that of course the racist claims you make very often have little basis, the idea the Muslim immigrates are threatening Sharia law for example and indeed those at the top using them do not give a flying fuck about liberal values, all they care about is the wealth and power which can be gained by exploiting such arguments to further dangerous bigotry.

Good lord, dude. You're a massive idiot. Muslim is not an ethnicity. Judaism is an ethnoreligion. Do you know why? Because the Jews don't proselytize like the Muslims and Christians. They don't seek converts. Every Jew - with the very rare exception of gentile converts - has Jewish blood. Hell, are you even aware of how Islam spread throughout the MENA regions, South/Southeast Asia, and the Balkans?

I'll give you a hint: it's got nothing to do with them being tolerant.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Here @moreorless87 . I found a fitting name for you and your ilk:

 

[moreorless87]

Good lord, dude. You're a massive idiot. Muslim is not an ethnicity. Judaism is an ethnoreligion. Do you know why? Because the Jews don't proselytize like the Muslims and Christians. They don't seek converts. Every Jew - with the very rare exception of gentile converts - has Jewish blood. Hell, are you even aware of how Islam spread throughout the MENA regions, South/Southeast Asia, and the Balkans?

I'll give you a hint: it's got nothing to do with them being tolerant.

You do realise your fellow Israeli backers groan each time you post this kind of stuff revealing how far down a racist conspiracy theory hole you've gone, notice how they just try and ignore these "lapses".

Its perfectly possible to covert to Judaism and ethnically jewish people are very diverse indeed.

Its also of course perfectly possible for Jewish people to behave in a racist or religiously bigoted colonialist fashion as I think we are clearly seeing in Israel right now and indeed for decades previously. Thats not of course any excuse to lable all jewish people as in any way responsible for the actions of the Israeli state, indeed many of its most prominent critics are Jewish.