Gracie Combatives Review: Conclusion, Bad For The Sport

[Title Fight Productions]

This whole thread is a joke! I had to register just for this reply only. People douching GC are just so afraid they might get behind in rank. Please wake up and stop talking/writing shit about things you know nothing of. Let me give the ignorant "scared" crowd some pointers. Please just record them, get them into your head, or return here next you want to bash down on GC.

1. The course consists of almost 100 techniques. If you master 2/week the whole course would take you almost a year to finish! (Blue Belt curriculum)

2. You can practice and repeat the lessons 100 times a day if you have time. Which is pretty hard doing when training live at the gym being dependent on when the gym is open. It would be similar if your coach recorded his/her session.

3. YOU CAN GET EVALUATED LIVE and obtain your rank at the Gracie Academy if you want. So what will the haters say about this?

4. The almost 100 techniques must be executed by instant reflex. There is also a soft-sparring-like moment where you roll for 4-5 minutes executing all the techniques fluently. If you cant do this, you fail. There are 5, five minutes clips that the students must submit in order for evaluation. Now let me ask all of you JJ-researchers and specialists out there, how many would succeed executing the GC curriculum, then being evaluated in extreme detail by Rener and Ryron and making it 100%. Probably none of you! Not even after weeks of training, i can promise you that.

Also, there is a clear misunderstanding about how the GC train. Sure, many students use their friend and get close to no assistance during practice. But not all of these people can make the rank. The setback in that case will be students learning it the wrong way, but understanding this to late, when they send in the movies for evaluation and get a negative judgement. Optimal in this scenario would of course be getting everything corrected at the very first time you try the technique. Nevertheless, when receiving the rank, everything must be top notch.

THERE ARE TONS of other people like myself. I've trained MMA for over a decade, i submit some brown belts easy like snapping rhubarbs from my own garden. All this before I've even tried BJJ for the first time. I have competed on pretty high levels and trained thousands of hours with guys currently fighting in the UFC. When i got seriously injured i wanted to keep up with the training in every way i could, so i started working on strength. On top of this i just, by a coincidence, surfed by GU and started to read. I figured BJJ could be something to spend time on, while recovering, or just for the fun of it.

If you going to learn BJJ from scratch, by yourself watching the lessons, training with a person who knows nothing of grappling, you will have a hard way in front of you.

If you already know some about grappling, started to submit blue belts and over without using proper and exclusively BJJ-moves, and have good trainingpartners, this is an INSANELY good curriculum. It goes from a to z with such a high level of science of education its ridiculous. Being experienced, having a deep understanding of the details, i got through the BB lessons pretty fast. BUT i must say, getting every detail 100% right in order to record (or live-evaluation) and get the BB, would not be easy even today!

Today, at my gym, we use the GU curriculum to teach new grapplers. We encourage them to look at the GC-lessons while attending classes. This prepares them with knowledge of details even before they set foot on the mat.

Don't compare this to a medical exam. That is just plain stupid. But just to break the illusion for you, today i have friends studying surgery, and huge chunks of their curriculum is video-based.

Before you bash down on GU next time, let me see your evaluation-videos!

great post. I'm interested in the bold part of course. Where did you train all this MMA. Any vids of you snapping rhubarbs on the mat?

 

[Gates of Janus]

Before you bash down on GU next time, let me see your evaluation-videos!

um, i go to a real school. i don't make evaluation videos. I go to an actual class and get choked out by other people who train.

Now go back under your bridge, trollbait

go on.....get!

 

[Kozbot]

THERE ARE TONS of other people, like myself. I've trained MMA for over a decade, i submit some brown belts easy like snapping rhubarbs from my own garden. All this before I've even tried BJJ for the first time.

well I'm convinced!

 

[Balto]

I've trained MMA for over a decade, i submit some brown belts easy like snapping rhubarbs from my own garden.

"I'm hungry for rhubarbs and brown belts...and my garden is all out of rhubarbs!"

 

[bjjaz]

Best thing I have read in a while, definetly legit lol'd

 

[Ishaq]

Bloody hell, IBJJF should outlaw rhubarb snapping!

 

[jasond]

"I'm hungry for rhubarbs and brown belts...and my garden is all out of rhubarbs!"

Genuinely made me lol. :icon_lol:

 

[instachoke]

great post. I'm interested in the bold part of course. Where did you train all this MMA. Any vids of you snapping rhubarbs on the mat?

You want to evaluate me through a video? There you go friend, GU-style!
This thread is just a big joke. Tons of BJJ rank-jerkers and gym-owners trying to talk down on a good initiative.

Just sad!

 

[100%Jiu-Jitsu]

"I'm hungry for rhubarbs and brown belts...and my garden is all out of rhubarbs!"

I actually spit out my drink from reading this. Thanks Balto; now I have to clean Monster Energy Zero Ultra off of my desk.

 

[Uchi Mata]

You want to evaluate me through a video? There you go friend, GU-style!
This thread is just a big joke. Tons of BJJ rank-jerkers and gym-owners trying to talk down on a good initiative.

Just sad!

I'd be more willing to evaluate you through a competition video than a vid of you and your buddy slowly going through moves and flow rolling. So you got a competition video? If we see you tearing up browns in competition, then maybe one of the several black belts that hangs out on the forums will give you the rank you rightly deserve. For a price, of course. Just like GC.

 

[fuqimtired]

"I'm hungry for rhubarbs and brown belts...and my garden is all out of rhubarbs!"

Legit lol

For some reason I read that in a sling blade voice. Mmmhmmm

 

[TsunamiBJJ]

Instachoke is the early front runner for 2013 troll of the year. Great stuff. 8/10.

I like how he specifies brown belts. Many of the brown belts I roll with are as good as black belts depending on if they're a seasoned brown belt. My point being, if you were submitting brown belts like 'snapping rhubarb' then you'd likely be catching a few black belts too.

 

[instachoke]

Instachoke is the early front runner for 2013 troll of the year. Great stuff. 8/10.

I like how he specifies brown belts. Many of the brown belts I roll with are as good as black belts depending on if they're a seasoned brown belt. My point being, if you were submitting brown belts like 'snapping rhubarb' then you'd likely be catching a few black belts too.

Hey friend

the color of belts, or even BJJ as source of grappling knowledge is of such low priority that no one i know of in high level mma competition really gives ass about it. Basically you train BJJ after camp/fight more to relax, regain power and "have fun" then to learn new adaptive techniques. I can easily admit that i've never submitted a black belt. My first real nemesis, after two-three years of competing in grappling, was in fact a brown belt. He had won against me a couple of times, and i've submitted him a couple of times. At that time, i had no experience of real and clean BJJ and had only been practicing sw/grappling for a couple of years.

But the whole rank-hysteria is just insane. Do you honestly believe that there is no black blelt in this world, that i would not submit sooner or later. Jeeez, Al bundy got a black strap around his waist and so does Joe Rogan. Wake up!

 

[Alonbenav]

Hey friend

the color of belts, or even BJJ as source of grappling knowledge is of such low priority that no one i know of in high level mma competition really gives ass about it. Basically you train BJJ after camp/fight more to relax, regain power and "have fun" then to learn new adaptive techniques. I can easily admit that i've never submitted a black belt. My first real nemesis, after two-three years of competing in grappling, was in fact a brown belt. He had won against me a couple of times, and i've submitted him a couple of times. At that time, i had no experience of real and clean BJJ and had only been practicing sw/grappling for a couple of years.

But the whole rank-hysteria is just insane. Do you honestly believe that there is no black blelt in this world, that i would not submit sooner or later. Jeeez, Al bundy got a black strap around his waist and so does Joe Rogan. Wake up!

Joe Rogan would likely obliterate you on the mat. Dude might be a celebrity of sorts, but it's pretty well known he's a beast. He's also been at it for 10+ years IIRC.

 

[instachoke]

Joe Rogan would likely obliterate you on the mat. Dude might be a celebrity of sorts, but it's pretty well known he's a beast. He's also been at it for 10+ years IIRC.

To be honest i doubt it, but that is a totally different story. What im saying is, black belt or above signifies a level of knowledge and experience. Being 90 years old having a red belt strapped to your waist wont help you win high end competitions today. So that discussion should end exactly here.

This thread is about GU, their curriculum GC, educational setup and chronology which i believe is just awesome. Maby not for totally untalented beginners with horrible training partners, but for average grapplers who wants to get a closer look into real BJJ. I ran through it during my injury, practiced it with other grapplers, and learned something from it. It was fun, and even though, at start, i found the techniques being a little bit "weird" I probably did develop my ground skills from it. Now i have a different opinion about BJJ.

The part about getting ranks through online evaluation/or live at the academy is of no relevance for me. GU have decided when and for what reason they will grade their students to blue. That is just what it is.

What ignorant people are missing here is:

1. Yes, you can get a blue belt at Gracie Academy by going there and doing what they demand you to. Alternatively, you can send a video showcasing all that they ask for.

How you train, where you train, either its in a gym or in heaven/hell with HELIO, or you acquire the knowledge through internet, hand to hand, through your IPHONE, with a partner, with 20 of your grappler-friends etc. is of NO RELEVANCE. Still you have to go through nr 1.

I can understand if people diss "the curriculum" and find it incomplete in order to be valued as a "blue belt" of that kind we are used to. I don't know the reason for this move, it could be a mix of, earnings, competing styles and market shares. The blue belt has possibly gone through a devaluation as a result of all this. And that might upset a lot of people, which i ofcourse understand, but that is another story.

GC is worth while, that is my personal view. Nothing about it is bad for the sport as the topic says.

 

[TsunamiBJJ]

Hey friend

the color of belts, or even BJJ as source of grappling knowledge is of such low priority that no one i know of in high level mma competition really gives ass about it. Basically you train BJJ after camp/fight more to relax, regain power and "have fun" then to learn new adaptive techniques. I can easily admit that i've never submitted a black belt. My first real nemesis, after two-three years of competing in grappling, was in fact a brown belt. He had won against me a couple of times, and i've submitted him a couple of times. At that time, i had no experience of real and clean BJJ and had only been practicing sw/grappling for a couple of years.

I don't know who you've actually trained with, but I'll throw a couple of names out that I can have some people on this forum who actually know who I am verify I've trained with and we can compare dicks as to who has trained with the better people in MMA.

I've trained with Junior Dos Santos, Marlon Sandro, Jose Aldo, Leo Santos and Rodrigo Nogueira. I have LITERALLY trained with all of those guys and none of them gave 'ass' about BJJ. It was important to all of them and I'm going to venture a guess that those names probably have a bit more panache than whoever the fuck you claim to have trained with in Scandinavia.

In addition I don't know many people that have submitted brown belts on a regular basis that don't also submit black belts on a semi-regular basis. For the most part brown belts and black belts are similar in skill set except at the very highest level of black belt.

But the whole rank-hysteria is just insane. Do you honestly believe that there is no black blelt in this world, that i would not submit sooner or later. Jeeez, Al bundy got a black strap around his waist and so does Joe Rogan. Wake up!

I don't know who you are - you might suck. So while I believe that there are some white belts that can submit some black belts you might actually be much more terrible than any white belt I know - so I'll leave that possibility open.

And I'd be willing to bet that Joe Rogan would push your shit in.

 

[instachoke]

I don't know who you've actually trained with, but I'll throw a couple of names out that I can have some people on this forum who actually know who I am verify I've trained with and we can compare dicks as to who has trained with the better people in MMA.

I've trained with Junior Dos Santos, Marlon Sandro, Jose Aldo, Leo Santos and Rodrigo Nogueira. I have LITERALLY trained with all of those guys and none of them gave 'ass' about BJJ. It was important to all of them and I'm going to venture a guess that those names probably have a bit more panache than whoever the fuck you claim to have trained with in Scandinavia.

Did you even notice the last names of the people you mentioned? A hint, they are not from Scandinavia. Ofc BJJ played a big role in their lives. Still most mma-players of today dont put any priority into BJJ. Sorry, but that is just how it is.

In addition I don't know many people that have submitted brown belts on a regular basis that don't also submit black belts on a semi-regular basis. For the most part brown belts and black belts are similar in skill set except at the very highest level of black belt.

The way you talk about belt colors is just ridiculous. To be honest, but still respectful, it looks as if you are connected to a cult and have lost your mind into the world of colored fashion.

I don't know who you are - you might suck. So while I believe that there are some white belts that can submit some black belts you might actually be much more terrible than any white belt I know - so I'll leave that possibility open.

Well you already put it out "rough" and "tough" by writing "whoever the fuck you claim to have trained with in Scandinavia." This topic is not about measuring dicks is it?

And I'd be willing to bet that Joe Rogan would push your shit in.

Cake coming right back in your face! Just to help this thread stay on topic!

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

To be honest i doubt it, but that is a totally different story. What im saying is, black belt or above signifies a level of knowledge and experience. Being 90 years old having a red belt strapped to your waist wont help you win high end competitions today. So that discussion should end exactly here.

This thread is about GU, their curriculum GC, educational setup and chronology which i believe is just awesome. Maby not for totally untalented beginners with horrible training partners, but for average grapplers who wants to get a closer look into real BJJ. I ran through it during my injury, practiced it with other grapplers, and learned something from it. It was fun, and even though, at start, i found the techniques being a little bit "weird" I probably did develop my ground skills from it. Now i have a different opinion about BJJ.

The part about getting ranks through online evaluation/or live at the academy is of no relevance for me. GU have decided when and for what reason they will grade their students to blue. That is just what it is.

What ignorant people are missing here is:

1. Yes, you can get a blue belt at Gracie Academy by going there and doing what they demand you to. Alternatively, you can send a video showcasing all that they ask for.

How you train, where you train, either its in a gym or in heaven/hell with HELIO, or you acquire the knowledge through internet, hand to hand, through your IPHONE, with a partner, with 20 of your grappler-friends etc. is of NO RELEVANCE. Still you have to go through nr 1.

I can understand if people diss "the curriculum" and find it incomplete in order to be valued as a "blue belt" of that kind we are used to. I don't know the reason for this move, it could be a mix of, earnings, competing styles and market shares. The blue belt has possibly gone through a devaluation as a result of all this. And that might upset a lot of people, which i ofcourse understand, but that is another story.

GC is worth while, that is my personal view. Nothing about it is bad for the sport as the topic says.

You make very logical, sound, intelligent points, and you'll get no arguments from me.

I think you are doing fantastic with this system. I really think it is made and geared for someone just like you. In fact, I really think there is absolutely no need for you to EVER step foot in an actual BJJ school. Don't listen to these chuckleheads. In fact I don't even know why you bother sticking around discussing this with them, its obvious they're not going to change their minds. So I'd say don't waste your energy, just do the awesome super cool job you have been doing and don't come to these forums!

 

[ElKarlo]

Wow, even if true, your case is very very rare. Also your obsession with everyone being even, makes me doubt that you are all that skilled tbh

 

[Ishaq]

I want proof of the rhubarb snapping that you claim!